42nd Street Photo: One to avoid

Tales of dodgy behaviour and atrocious customer service at 42photo.com

By Haje Jan Kamps

New York is a city that's the home to many a fantastic photographic retailer. Between the rather fantastic B&H, the solidly competent Adorama, and - if you're going to shop online anyway - the ever-reliable Photo & Video section at Amazon, there shouldn't really be any reason to go anywhere else...

...As aptly confirmed by the nightmare of an ordering scenario a friend of mine, Sarah, had just before Christmas at the tail-end last year.

What happened?

Sarah lives in London, but her parents live in California. She decided to order a couple of cameras (given how much cheaper camera equipment is in the US, that makes sense), and have it shipped to her parents address. Sound pretty straightforward, right?

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It probably would have been, if it hadn't been for the fact that she decided to try and use 42th Street Photo to place her order. Here's what happened;

On December 17, Sarah ordered a Canon Powershot S95 and a Canon EOS Rebel Digital T2i, but because her shipping address (in California) was different from her invoice address (in London), the order was blocked. Fair enough, I suppose, there's a lot of credit card fraud out there.

Dodgy card charges

So instead of trying to confirm with Sarah that this was a genuine order, they call the shipping address, where her mother answers the phone. Now, I don't know much about credit card security, but it sounds to me as if they are worried about that, they should call the invoice address - not the shipping address. I'll leave this thought for you: If you were a fraudster, would you be at the shipping or the invoice address? Exactly.

Interestingly enough, Sarah's card was charged on Friday December 17th, so they clearly didn't care much about the security anyway. Also, by the time the 18th rolled around, the order status on 42 Photo had already updated to 'shipped'. So why did they call? Well.. when they spoke to Sarah's mother on the 21st (four days after the card was charged and the cameras had supposedly shipped), they tried to upsell to faster shipping (even though their website, they said that shipping was only going to be 'less than 10 days') so the order could get there in time for Christmas. Then, they tried to add memory cards to the order, stating that "the camera wouldn't work without them".

Weird upselling

Parents come in all sorts of shapes and sizes - and amounts of photography knowledge. It just so happens that Sarah's mother's photography knowledge is, well, shall we say, somewhat lacking. So when somebody calls her and tells her that Sarah must have made a mistake, and that she must have forgotten to order a piece of the camera which is needed for it to work, what should she do?

I find it curious anyway, that a phonecall to someone at a delivery address should potentially be enough to add additional charges (shipping; memory cards) to a credit card that was already charged and authorised via a website, but that's by the by.

In addition, if you check the 42nd street Photo website, you'll find their terms and conditions state "Although you have received an email confirming your order, we do not charge your credit card until the item is ready to be shipped and all customer adjustments if any are applied" (emphasis mine). Since the card was charged on the 17th, and 42 street Photo started calling Sarah's mother on the 21nd, that was clearly ignored as well.

Shipping... Too late.

Then, eventually, Sarah receives a shipping confirmation on the 22nd of December, via UPS, stating that the items had been shipped, and were scheduled to be delivered on December 30th - 3 days later than expected.

Now, most people are perfectly happy to wait for another three days, but there was an itsy-weeny problem: Sarah was going to leave the country on the 29th, and needed her cameras with her. Since the order was placed on the 17th, and the 42 Street Website promised a 10-day delivery (at most), Sarah figured she would have a couple of days leeway. Instead, the cameras would arrive two days too late.

What have we learned?

Between the slow shipping (5 days to ship an order of cameras that are marked in stock?), charging the credit card too early, breaching their own terms and conditions, trying to upsell memory cards and shipping (the latter, presumably, to cover their own ass for being too slow in shipping the items in the first place), trying to get a person unrelated to the transaction to authorise additional spending on a credit card, rude one-line replies to genuine customer service woes, and an apparent lack of care about fraud prevention...

I don't know about you, but I don't think I'll be turning to 42 street photo for my photography needs in the future.


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Comments

I had a horrible experience with them in 1992 and never, ever went back. Warned everyone I knew. I still do, every chance I get. I registered with Pixiq just so I could post this comment.

The sales person was totally slimy and had obviously been coached on using phrases that were ambiguous and misleading. I went in expecting to speak with a fellow enthusiast and get good insights. I was totally unsuspecting, so didn't even think to question the things he said and recommended as less than truthful.

Ugh. Still feels awful almost twenty years later.

so, let me get this straight... Sarah wanted to skip out on VAT in her country and ordered US cameras sent to a US address, and because they took a few extra days DURING THE CHRISTMAS RUSH, that's the store's fault?

Yes, 42nd street is shady, and no, I will never shop with them (I'm a B&H guy). And while 42nd street might have billed this item a wee bit earlier than they shipped it (again, during Xmas) I think there's more to be said about your friend Sarah and the fact she's bending the rules on import taxes than 42nd street. And why might they call the shipping address? Let's start with a ~6 hour time difference and end with the fact CA costs a heck of a lot less to call than the UK....

Come on guys, don't make a rule cheater the poster child for your case against shady NYC retailers. Surely you can find worse examples?

There's no mention here that Sarah was planning to skip out on paying VAT when taking back the item to the UK. On a Canon T2i (which was one of the cameras Sarah was buying), at an exchange rate of 1.6, buying it in the US still works out cheaper even after adding on 20% import VAT when bringing back to the UK.

Give me a break! You're going to criticise someone for trying to buy cheaper in one of the most notoriously expensive professions when it comes to gear? Get over it. It's a big international market now. I buy my gear straight from the manufacturers in Japan/Thailand/ Hong Kong - where ever. When it's cheaper local I buy local. Way of the world. Oh yeah, and those intenational suppliers, they deliver in 3 days! 42 St could learn a thing or two from them.

I haven't dealt with 42nd, but have dealt with B&H and was quite unimpressed. I recently went to their web site looking to upgrade my copy of Adobe Design Premium CS4. Having searched for it under these exact terms, I purchased what I thought was the most recent version. Except that it wasn't - it had been replaced by CS5.5. When I realized that I had bought a discontinued product, I was told that it was still a popular product and that it was my problem - I ended up paying shipping back and forth to Canada. I later tried to review in order to indicate somewhere in the description that it was not the most recent incarnation of this software, but my review was never posted. I still can't imagine why anyone would purchase an older version of any software knowingly, especially considering the cost of upgrading.

Daf

Bought a lens there in person (B&H didn't have stock) - seemed Ok.

ABU

42nd STREET PHOTO - HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE - AVOID THIS PLACE

I am in the market for a DSLR and decided to go to a few of the camera shops in the area. I walked into 42nd Street Photo and was surprised that it is such a small store with just two counters.

I said that I was looking for a good Canon or Nikon DSLR with an upgraded lens. I told him that I am not concerned about video but making good still images. He told me that I would have to do some research and didn't even venture a suggestion as to what to look at.

I asked to see one on the shelf. I looked at it for a 1/2 minute and wanted to see another one. He said, "You can't play with the cameras" and told me to come back when I am ready to buy.

He asked when I was going to buy one, today??? Ridiculous.

Only the tourists would go here. They'd get a better deal AND better service at BEST BUY. I wish I could give this experience ZERO stars. All I wanted to do was look at a few cameras.

I would never go back there again or buy from them. Avoid this place. They want to sell cameras (not really, they just want your $$$$$$) and think that treating you like dirt is a good way to approach it.

GO TO BEST BUY. DON"T GIVE THESE SMALL STORES your money.

Odd. I've done business with them since 1975 and today is the first time I've had a problem and it was a screw up between sales and their fulfillment center, which means I'll get my order a week later than expected.

Other than that, I've found good prices there at times, but will keep this warning in mind.

As far as the sell-up goes, a lot of businesses do that. Just say no. I didn't get a sell-up, but they did ask me if I wanted a few other things. I said no.

Ken

What's ironic is tha she needed the device in a time sensitive manner but didn't want to pay for shipping to expedite it. I have been shopping with this store since my grandpa put me on almost 20 years ago. They have had free shipping every time I have ever ordered on their website. There's no doubt that they will try and sell you memory cards and extra batteries. Big deal! Get over it! Bh is a great a store but 42 always beats the price. Oh and another thing, if your billing address and shipping address is different then they have to do a thorough security check especially with an international order during the holiday season when fraud is high. That includes investigating where the package is going. And as a merchant of my own business I can tell you that when you bill a card through the terminal the seller relieves a code from the card company that evaluates the risk of the order and may require the merchant to follow up. And btw why are you trying to avoid paying VAT? Really Haje Jan Kamps? Find a more credible story and topic and stop being lazy!

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