LAPD, Feds Prepare To Arrest Photogs Who Photograph Royal Couple
Back in April, right before the Royal Wedding, London police walked through neighborhoods arresting people they believed were planning to disrupt the sacred wedding.
But we didn’t make a big issue about it because the British apparently are willing to give up their most prized body part for the royal family. Plus, the arrest we saw on Youtube looked so civil compared to the arrests we see in the United States, that we figured maybe that guy wanted to get arrested, if anything for the tea and scones they are sure to serve in that jail.
Whether we were right or wrong, we really didn’t care because we have been doing things our way in the United States since the signing of the Declaration of the Independence.
But now that the newly married Royal Couple will be visiting Los Angeles, it seems that some locals are getting the Royal Inquisition treatment from the Los Angeles Police Department and the State Department who have been knocking on doors, warning residents to be on the lookout for photographers.
According to Perez Hilton, police will arrest anybody stepping on private property to snap a photo of the newlyweds.
The LAPD, in conjunction with the US State Department, are making the rounds through an upscale El Lay neighborhood to put residents on alert. Prince William and Kate Middleton are coming to town and they'll be attending a swanky Hollywood soiree in the area. Neighborhoods have been advised to look out for photogs and report them to authorities immediately.
The event, hosted by the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, will have its fair share of photographers on hand, but its the sneaky, sneak paparazzi that has the State Dept. concerned for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. They've announced that they will arrest ANYONE who trespasses on private property to get a pic of the pair.
At least they will wait before the photographers step on private property to arrest them because in Fort Lauderdale, they are threatening to arrest anybody taking photos of celebrities from a bustling city sidewalk. We will protest that issue this Friday.
UPDATE: The Los Angeles Times just wrote about it.
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They're arresting people for trespassing. So it's not really a question of the first ammendment anyway.
If you have a permit from the person who owns the property, they can't arrest you for trespassing, can they?
I don't think it's civil to snap at the Duke and the Dutchess, though. It won't be their idea anyway.
Guess we Europeans just keep a little more civility for Royalty? ;)
If a person has the permission of the property owner to be on the property, by definition it is not trespassing.
To make a lawful arrest for trespassing, police would need to have, at a minimum, probable cause to believe the person does not have permission to be on the property. Under the criminal trespass statutes of most jurisdictions police would also need probable cause to believe that the person had notice or actual knowledge that he or she was not allowed on the property (and intent is a general requirement of most criminal statutes as well).
That is pretty much what I expected.
Is it not true that the actual property owner, and not police, are responsible for pursuing trespassing charges against someone? I remember one of the legal experts said that in the article about the guy who received the beat down for filming police from his own driveway in Nevada. I
If I was a pap I would simply make a deal with a private property owner that will be close to the action so I could stand on their property and take as many photos as I want.
Personally, I do this during police/emergency incidents in Los Angeles. When the police are clearing the streets and sidewalks I just ask a private property owner who's close to the scene if I can stand on their property. They usually let me, and LAPD can't do anything about it.
I remember reading the same blog. I'm not an attorney, but I think it was cited that trespassing charges had to come from the property owner and not from the police.
So if you do get arrested for trespassing, and actually have the owner's permission, I guess you can file suit for wrongful arrest?
These royals will probably be on hotel grounds and management will be quick to toss someone out for pissing off the VIP customers.
Up here in Canada, the land of Please and Thank You. I used to work at a liquor store and needed to be semi-versed with the spirit of the law at least. I could refuse service to anyone. I demanded ID if the age even looked young. I was pretty accurate on estimating ages but that wasn't allowed and if an inspector was in line I valued my job and didn't want the $10K fine.
The technical parts were three stages. Verbal trespass warning first, stating why the warning is issued and verbal request to leave the premises. Second was a written warning which if they wouldn't sign I would refuse all access to our store. Sign it and behave and no problems. Third warning followed with legal options and involving the police for enforcement and total loss of all access to our business.
I never had to have anyone sign for the second stage. People were polite after, usually. I had the legal documents which were not ambiguous in anyway. So clear it wasn't hard to comply. It was annoying that I would have to card a usual customer who was just over 18. It sucked because it was a waste of time but law demanded it. If I've carded you before, bring it next time anyways. Don't drink to excess before either, same fines for me AND him in that situation. Went through night school for software programming with that job.
People aren't cuffed within 45 seconds when the police falsely believe they can presume my wishes.
LAPD can't "legally" do anything about it.
There I fixed it for you.
"Guess we Europeans just keep a little more civility for Royalty? ;)
Seriously? Well then why don't you keep them please.
"According to Perez Hilton..."
You ascertained this story by counting the amount of penises that guy photoshopped onto a pic of the couple? Or did he come out and actually use his words? And please, the only answer I need is if there is an actual, credible, source for this story.
Thanks.
Well, first of all, the British Royal family isn't really my responsibility. However, our own Royal family has visited the United States at several times (King Harald more or less grew up in the White House, courtesy of mrs. Roosevelt during the war), and I'll take responsibility of that.
The thing is, we can't really keep them from traveling to other nations.
And yes, most of us keep them in quite high regard.
The Los Angeles Times just wrote about it.
Is that credible enough for you?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/will-kate-royal-visit-lapd...
Why do the LAPD make so big deal about the couple of royal kids? Don't they have more important things to do?
Because one of them will be the future King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The other will be the future Queen of said Kingdom.
In any case, they are foreign dignitaries, and as the Duke represents a close ally of the United States, an ally that has been a very solid supporter of US foreign policy for the last 7 decades, there is always the feeling one shouldn't skimp on honoring them. Heck, there might even be a potential treath to them (I suppose Special Branch and the US Secret Service has the primary responsibility for security, but local law enforcement are usually involved, I understand).
Short version: He's the second in line to the British throne, and Britain is a close ally of the United States, with potential security concerns by itself.
I don't get why this is here, it's fairly ridiculous, but the cops have no problems being filmed. Frankly, if the cops here (US) acted like this, we'd have a lot less need to video them :)
The search was a little strange, but I know nothing about british law. I don't see what sort of evidence they might be looking for in a trespassing charge...
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