Nude Woman Living With Pigs In Art Exhibit Prohibits Photography
We took them to the test
A naked woman living among pigs inside a glass enclosure in full view of the public as part of a Miami art exhibit is forbidding people from taking her photo.
So naturally, I got called in.

Miru Kim, a 30-year-old Korean-American artist, painted the words “Photography Not Permitted” on the glass separating herself from gawkers.
And she even went as far as to hire security guards to stand in front of the exhibit, who have gotten physically confrontational with some people by grabbing their lenses, preventing them from taking the photo.
So naturally when I heard these stories, I decided to head out there and hope he would dare grab my lens. I don’t play that game.
Joining me Saturday night was animal rights activist Chris Lagergren, whom I wrote about in September where he was trying to photograph whale conservancy volunteers from the outside of a fence.

The FBI describes him as a terrorist, an accusation he laughs off.
Check him out in the above video and tell me if he reminds you of a terrorist.
Here is complete background story on the artist with all kinds of nude photos.

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Comments
If exercising Constitutional rights makes one a terrorist, then such terrorists stand in excellent company. George Washington. Thomas Jefferson. Ben Franklin.
There's a fine line between exercising ones rights and simply being an ass.
Yes, and that line is crossed when you have these body guards grabbing people's lenses, which is what they had been doing.
That line is crossed when you put up a sign on a window in a building where photography is allowed - because it's part of this huge international event called Art Basel - and say "photography not permitted" - which turns out to be a simple request.
But I admit I am an ass. I'm just not going to be a sap and allow others to bullshit me into believing something that is not true.
I guess I'm the only one that thinks you weren't a big enough ass.
Why hide in the rafters? Why stop shooting and leave after ZZ Top came to BS you into stopping and leaving? It looks like you kinda caved.
You should have gone right down in front and started shooting and refused to leave. Make 'em call the building owners. Get them on tape.
Are you getting soft, Carlos?
I got my shots and video. What else do you want?
She didn't seem to mind the cameras when she took these posed pictures: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069002/Art-Basel-2011-Muri-Kims...
It's not clear from your description whether the place you're standing taking photographs is on public or private property. If the latter, you're in the wrong, whether or not the woman is "in full view of the public" (meaning, anybody is allowed onto the private property to look at her).
Could you clarify?
Listen to the first 5 seconds of the video
Even if it is on 'private property' taking a photo wouldn't be illegal, even if there was a sign. So I'm not sure as to what aspect of 'wrong' it is you are referring. At most they can tell someone to immediately leave and to not ever return under threat of pressing charges for trespassing in the future.
An owner of private property has an absolute right to prohibit photography on his property, and to have anyone who defies that prohibition removed. If the photographer won't desist or leave then he can be arrested. Private property rights are not forfeited because the property is used for commercial purposes.
While true, the photos are still not illegal and cannot be destroyed.. You can be asked to leave but your photos come with you. With that said, anybody putting their hands on you is probably assault..
You are incorrect that the photographer must desist. The only requirement is that they leave the property. If they're walking out the door taking pictures, that is within the photographers rights.
Nicmart,
A photographer has no *legal obligation* to obey a sign that says no photographs, unless they have some sort of signed agreement to that effect (even then, it would be a civil case). If he/she's ordered to leave by the property owner, he/she must leave.
However, the man in the video was not the property owner. He was a staff member of the traveling exhibit. He was speaking only for the exhibit, not for the property owner.
The activist's history is irrelevant in this incident, unless he's been banned from this particular property.
This is part of a huge international event that takes place every year in Miami called Art Basel where thousands of international art snobs fly into Miami to hobnob and buy art.
The building was one of many buildings throughout Miami that are hosting some type of art event.
Photography is encouraged in all those buildings because it's not just a big art showing, it's a big party. And it's a lot of money involved.
This artist wanted to strip her clothes and live with pigs for a week. That was her artistic statement.
They painted a notice on the window that photography was not allowed, which was nothing but a request from the owner of that particular gallery.
That just means if you enter that gallery and take photos, they can ask you to leave and if you don't, they can have you arrested for trespassing.
However, if you are standing outside the gallery, the gallery owners or artist really doesn't have a say in the matter because they don't own that particular area.
That would fall on the owners of the building, which have allowed photography throughout the entire building.
The building is open to the public. People can walk in and out as they please. There is no cover charge or nobody at the door.
What we have here is people trying to enforce some non-existent rule, which when challenged, admitted it was only a request.
So maybe I can be an ass, but the real asses are the people trying to intimidate others from taking pictures.
And then the guy comes and tells me they are "asking" us to leave the private property when they had no say about me standing in the particular area.
Lets see, a skinny naked asian woman with pigs behind clear glass in a huge art exhibit expects NO ONE to take pictures? RIIIIIIGHT!! Even if their goons were 100% effective preventing obvious photography(they were not), someone could take a nice long video of her with a pen camera and no one would be the wiser till it hit youtube.
And please, none of this fucking WHINING about respect; put on a freak show in an area that allows photography and photogs are going to show up.
Why not speak to the property management to find out where they stand?
Because he has no obligation to. He is not the one with the complaint. If the woman has a problem, she should make her exhibit private and block it from public view, or speak to the property owner and have her exhibit officially off limits to photography. She cannot do what she is currently doing and use private security to control an area she has no rights to.
Chris Lagergren has been charged with acts of trespassing and vandalism. He is associated with the Animal Liberation Front, whose members are known for committing and promoting acts of violence. He is hardly a respecter of private property, and it is a disgrace to associate photographic freedom with this cause.
Yes, you saw how violent Chris came across in the video. He's a bonafide terrorist.
Chris Lagergren has been charged with acts of trespassing and vandalism. He is associated with the Animal Liberation Front, whose members are known for committing and promoting acts of violence. He is hardly a respecter of private property, and it is a disgrace to associate photographic freedom with this cause.
so he got charged with crap, what are you saying? NICMART-your nothing but a troller! so keep on trolling! your kind and type is what is the major problem with this world! your a total waste of everything, time and space, and the air you breath! your kind is a dime a DOZ., your the person that listens to RUSH and when he finishes with his CRAP, your type go AMEN!
[in few years when your BALLS drop, come back then!]
So if police suddenly kick in your door to charge you with treason and stealing the golden gate bridge, there's no need for a trial, because a simple accusation is all the proof needed?
If the worst thing you can say about a man is that he's been accused of something, then you really need to re-evaluate your argument.
Nicmart, you are a wholly ignorant person. Chris Lagergren may or may not be part of the animal Liberation Front but as far as I could see he certainly wasn't behaving in a violent way on the film I watched. If a conceptual artist is going to put on controversial works of art then they must expect a reaction, isn't that the point? The worst thing that could happen for an artist is for them to be overlooked.
What on earth are you on about when you say that 'it is a disgrace to associate photographic freedom with this cause' You are a pompous oaf. It is the DUTY of a photographer to push the boundaries and record what he sees fit. Not sit back and do nothing! Why should anyone respect private property if they believe that there is an event taking place which involves non consenting animals?
By the way can you define violence for me?
Oh yes man that was hilarious! All you have proven is how to act like an ass, great job! Now grow some balls and go take some photos of a military objects with your big lens. If I'm not mistaken they usually have a big "no pictures" sign. Keep your distance though they might not ask nicely but then perhaps you would respect that more.You are my hero.... Not.
Thank you for the laugh Mike the troll.
Your inane opinion has illustrated your complete lack of all knowledge regarding your 1st Amendment Right. And the Constitution of this country. The same Constitution that allows you the freedom to expose your ignorance on a public blog to the world.
Ironic and sad. Which I am sure mirrors your very existence.
No one ever needed an inviolable right to do what everybody likes.
I can't imagine anybody being SO STUPID in this day and age as to appear nekkid in public and think his/her person would not be photographed/videographed. How much brain power does it take to figure this out? Oh well, we always have to remember that 50% of the American population is below average in intelligence.
That last sentence doesn't make sense. How can half the people be below the level of the majority?
You must be in that lower 50%. Take stats, and then you'll understand how it is possible. 50 people with an IQ of 75 + 50 people with an IQ of 125 = average IQ of 100 with half the people below the average.
Jersey Shore, need I say more?
It reminds me of that all too common situation here in NYC where women get dressed up like whores then get offended when you look at them!
I'm just curious about one thing Carlos:
You do realize that posting a picture of a person online or in the public domain without a model release form can get you sued right?
I mean if she comes online and hunts down her own pic she can rightly get compensation.
From my own view, legalities aside, I think if you live in essentially a windowed box for a week with pigs in an art show, then you're screaming for attention and secretly want someone to take your pic.
What better way than having a sign up that says 'no photography'.
One more thing... where the hell are the pigs man?????
Did the pigs run out the door before she did?
Digital Dave says:
"You do realize that posting a picture of a person online or in the public domain without a model release form can get you sued right?
I mean if she comes online and hunts down her own pic she can rightly get compensation."
DDave. With all due respect. Time to ask for a refund from your Interwebs School of Law.
How many times have you been sued so far?
Can you cite a case to support your erroneous claim?
Has Carlos sold the "artist's" image without cutting her in on the massive profits?
What you are saying is that every picture of every person on the web is illegal? Except the pics of models w/releases? Every pic on Facebook has been vetted and model releases have been signed and filed? Everyone in the background of every graduation pic has signed a model release? Birthday party pics? Car shows?
Everyone in the pic has signed a release?
The pigs were laying towards the front of the glass while she was towards the back.
I don't need a model release if I'm using the photos for journalistic purposes.
@Digital Dave, @hhamlet is right; you are full of bullfeathers.
Correct. No model release is required unless the image is going to be used for commercial purposes. Posting it here doesn't qualify.
Fellow Pixiq writer Haje Jan Kamps weighs in on the issue here.
http://www.pixiq.com/article/all-photos-all-the-time
What a douche bag. For a so called "expert" who gets paid for his blog you'd think the breadth of his knowledge would be a little more extensive. Posted the following on his page...
"You wouldn't expect to be able to take photos in most museums, for example."
Really Haje? You mean places like say, the Boston Museum of fine arts? Oh, that's right, they actually do allow photography there. How about say, the Smithsonian, I bet no photography allowed there right Haje? Oopppsie
From: http://americanart.si.edu/reynolds_center/faq.cfm#faq_10
"Handheld photography and video for personal use are permitted in the permanent collection galleries, and in the Luce Foundation Center, but not in special exhibitions or in the Lunder Conservation Center. No tripods are allowed. Commercial use must be pre-arranged with the museums' Public Affairs Offices."
Lets go to NYC's Metropolitan Museum of Art!! Bet they don't allow any photog riff raff there right Haje. Ohhhh, so sorry, WRONG AGAIN!
http://www.metmuseum.org/visit/plan-your-visit/visitor-tips-and-policies
"Still photography is permitted for private, noncommercial use only in the Museum's galleries devoted to the permanent collection. Photographs cannot be published, sold, reproduced, transferred, distributed, or otherwise commercially exploited in any manner whatsoever. Photography is not permitted in special exhibitions or areas designated as "No Photography"; works of art on loan from private collections or other institutions may not be photographed."
So the general rule of thumb is no flash, tripods, of photographing special exhibitions, as the museum does not own those, but YES you CAN photograph the main exhibit. Sorry again Haje, I don't have the time to check on EVERY museum, but I would say three of the most famous U.S. museums are pretty good examples. Maybe your home towns local Museum doesn't allow photography, too bad 4 U Haje.
"If we're talking first amendment rights, most of us don't graffiti walls, we don't use bullhorns at 4am in the morning, and we don't shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre."
Most of us don't take a diarrhea shit on a public street either, what the fuck does ANY of that have to do with exercising ones LEGAL 1st amendment right to take photographs in public? The examples you provided are all of illegal activities, the last potentially causing great harm to many people by the utterance of a malicious lie.
So just how is a photographer causing deaths? I would argue that by photographing police and ignoring their orders to stop, you could be SAVING someone from harm, or at the very least preventing the officers from LYING about the incident later. But you wouldn't know about that would you Haje, unlike mean old Carlos and the Copblock boyz you just slink away out of "respect" when police tell you to stop taking photos, don't you.
"To put it differently: I'm a photographer. A passionate one. But if you are the photographer who causes a huge brouhaha by deciding to take photos at an event or a location where you've been asked not to, I will think less of you. Why? Because you're making all of us look bad."
Oooooo, you will think less of me, so sad I would have cried if I didn't already hold you in the utmost contempt.
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."
But it could be art.
Normally I'd agree with what you do; I still do in this case but begrudgingly. Here's my thought process.
- I'm used to not taking photographs in art galleries as it's usually disallowed. I don't agree with it, but I can't change it and don't care enough to, either.
- I'm used to stores in malls here allegedly having the power to throw you out of the mall. At least, if they ask mall security to, you'll be escorted out and probably beaten up in the parking lot just out of view of any cameras.
Then I thought about what this artist is doing (being naked and vulnerable), that it's part of her living (and controlling / negotiating photographic rights of that is probably also part of her living) and what she has requested. For all we know, the gallery may have even approved it without thinking through the full details of it or in agreements with the leasing agency that we're not aware of.
I think the bigger problem isn't so much whether she should be photographed or not, it's how a photographer could possibly know and verify the chain of paperwork and contracts that extends from her all the way back through the art gallery, leasing agency, and owners, to say that you're not allowed to photograph this specific event.
And what if you did photograph it, and you -really- were not allowed to, and they asked you to delete the photo? Would you refuse, if they showed you the paperwork? Would you refuse, if they showed you the paperwork but you felt you had a right to because you asked someone on the phone if photography was allowed inside the mall or not and got the wrong answer?
It's really complicated. I just don't feel she's done something wrong, and that she has been unfairly targeted. Sorry that this is a bit rambling.
It's really not that complicated. They created a set of rules that have no legal binding.
Of course they didn't tell me they had no legal binding until I pushed the issue.
So like so many other people who try to forbid photography, they were talking out of their asses.
And I called them on it.
That's it. There are no contracts, no paperwork, no leasing agencies, no controlling fees. At least when it comes to viewers taking photos of her.
It's really not that complicated. They created a set of rules that have no legal binding.
Of course they didn't tell me they had no legal binding until I pushed the issue.
So like so many other people who try to forbid photography, they were talking out of their asses.
And I called them on it.
That's it. There are no contracts, no paperwork, no leasing agencies, no controlling fees. At least when it comes to viewers taking photos of her.
The bottom line is, she's doing her art, I'm doing my art.
Her art is lying naked with pigs.
My art is confronting people who disallow photography.
She's trying to make some kind of statement with her art.
I'm making a statement with my art.
"Her art is lying naked with pigs."
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I think a lot of drunken dudes have practiced that form of "art" too!
GUY: most women would say, if any us men would do that, we wouldnt be human.
of course i am talking about women think all men are dogs! LOL
come to think of it, females think of us as dogs and pigs, we cant win for losing can we?
so carlos was suppose to spend more time taking images of a pig, BTW where was the female human? [anyone that say anything to that dont have a fucking brain, or its up his ass]
CM took some images, made the point, the main reason for being there, so what the fuck else did ya want, a full length feature film or what. some on this thread need to get a fucking life, pardon my french CM. i know you dont often use the word fuck.
[anyone that thinks CM is an ass....look in the mirror youll find the ASS]
A lot of artists do not want their picture taken when performing. Think of music concerts, stage plays, etc.
Anyway, a person has the right to ask that you do not take a picture of them. This lady obviously is requesting just that. It's just plain civil and polite to obey her wishes.
Photographers must defend their rights but this particular fellow has a weak position. As such, this staged attempt to defend his "rights" makes all photographers look bad.
JDR: you could not be more wrong if you tried to be so! in your attempt to speak for all photographers, you failed! in stating that speak for all of any group of people, you show how much you truly do not know. [anyone feel to say anymore about, or add to what i stated, please do so!]
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