Are Republican Politicians More Camera Shy Than Democrats?

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As we head into the insanity of the election season, we are bound to hear more stories of politicians banning cameras from town hall meetings out of fear they might stick their foot in their mouth and be exposed on Youtube for the fools that they are.

And lately, it seems as if it is the republicans doing all the banning.

I know many of my republican readers are already frothing at the mouth of that last statement, so bear with me for a second.

Last week, Republican Ohio Congressman Steve Chabot made national headlines when he had police confiscate cameras from two members of the audience.

And as you know, that took place only days before a federal appeals court ruled that photography is protected under the First Amendment.

So that prompted Politicususa, a liberal website, to come up with the following headline in an attempt to tie in the two stories.

Court Rules Republicans Who Confiscate Cameras At Town Halls Are Violating 1st Amendment.

The article didn’t mention any other republicans who have banned photography at town hall meetings, so I asked Photography is Not a Crime reader Mark Mason, who had posted the story on my wall, for some examples.

Mason, who lists his political affiliation on Facebook as “outside the box,” immediately provided a few links that indicate republican politicians do tend to be more camera shy than democrats.

Below is an unofficial list of politicians who have banned cameras at town hall meetings in recent years as well other incidents involving politicians directly assaulting photographers (both democrats).

Some of these stories involve staffers and there is no clear indication that the orders camera from the politician. I’ve included Chabot in the list below, even though I mentioned him above.

Also, I've provided a link on each name, but in some cases, you will find the same story on two politicans because it mentioned both of them.

And I’m sure there are more, so feel free to send me links regarding other politicians who have issues with photographers. I’m trying to create some type of scorecard.

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Republicans

Democrats

I am a liberal but I am non-partisan when it comes to these issues. I won’t support any candidate who bans photography at their town hall meetings or assaults photographers on the street.

I will be interviewed on this subject as well as photographers’ rights in general tomorrow morning (Wednesday) on an Ohio radio station.

I am scheduled to go on at 7:45 a.m. EST on 610 WTVN. You can listen live to the broadcast here or listen to it later on a podcast.

Comments

Well at least none of those idiots are from Iowa.

Although I differ with Carlos politically I agree that some things should not be partisan, particular the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments..

Whether they be to the left or right politically this is unacceptable and it pains me that those of my party are being so stupid. I guess its time to call the RNC and bitch..

I usually simply ignore those signs in these cases, knowing the have no force in law. Up to now I haven't been called out but I am ready.. Maybe I get arrested, so what, at least I'll get paid.

Also, what happened to the article about the cop getting in trouble for boning somebody in broad daylight?

Carlos Miller - Photography is Not a Crime
Pixiq Expert

Pixiq removed that article because they felt it was offensive and had nothing to do with photography.

I'm more offended at the censorship than the article in addition to the fact it did have to do with photography.

And quite frankly if the can show that still on TV then there wasn't much to argue..

"Pixiq removed that article because they felt it was offensive and had nothing to do with photography."

Good call. If it hadn't been a cop, nobody would have batted an eye.

Johnny, one can reasonably argue that law enforcement officers should be held to a higher standard, especially while they're on duty, so an incident like that is, in fact, newsworthy.

Excessive force or corruption? Absolutely. Getting laid on the clock? Ridiculous.

Last I checked, my tax money was supposed to go to fighting prostitution, not enabling it! (he was on the job getting paid, he was having sex, thus he was being paid to have sex, thus it was prostitution)

@clark

"Last I checked, my tax money was supposed to go to fighting prostitution, not enabling it! (he was on the job getting paid, he was having sex, thus he was being paid to have sex, thus it was prostitution)"

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

"Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site." ...until you re-read what you just wrote :rolleyes:

I'm just using the logic that police use to harass photographers: "He was using a camera, cameras might be used in terrorism, thus he's a terrorist"

@ Clark-Wow guy, slippery slope much?

If my private-sector employer would fire me for getting laid on company time (which I think it's fair to say they would -- and it'd be firing with cause, so no unemployment), that's the *least* I'd expect a police department to do for the same behavior.

The officer was derelict in his duties if he was getting laid on the clock. If it turns out that the woman was coerced ("I'll tell you what you can do to get out of this speeding ticket...") or a prostitute, I'd expect him to be prosecuted as any private citizen would
Of course, that'll happen about the same time we see signs saying "beware of flying porcines."

@corkdork

"If my private-sector employer would fire me for getting laid on company time (which I think it's fair to say they would -- and it'd be firing with cause, so no unemployment), that's the *least* I'd expect a police department to do for the same behavior."

Ah but would it be front page news? Of course not. I'm not arguing about punishment or any of that. I'm talking about the ridiculous amount of publicity it's getting.

@JL

It depends who it is. If it was a politician, CEO, or some other high profile person than quite likely it would be front page news. Even most mid-level public servants would end up on the front page locally. A State Policeman is borderline. If there wasn't all the political debate concerning taxes lately I doubt we would have even heard about it.

"I'm talking about the ridiculous amount of publicity it's getting."

Same old troll vomit. Different day.

If a citizen was caught doing it in public they would be arrested. A police supervisor would know that.

Yet the troll is somehow clueless as always. Why wouldn't a supposed police supervisor know these things?

Doing it on the hood of a car outside in broad daylight.. Corruption, no, misconduct, ABSOLUTELY. If I had done EXACTLY the same thing it would have been a crime, public lewdness, public indecency, whatever its called in your area...

Don't care if he wants to bone his lady on his break, no problem there.. But where IS a problem..

JL did you even see the article and picture? Those in public service should be held to a higher standard, especially those charged with upholding the law.. I'm not saying this guy should be fired but a reprimand is definitely appropriate as well as a couple unpaid days off for extreme poor judgement.

Don't forget you are addressing the fake cop who thinks it's okay to sleep on the job, hit women, kill homeless men... The list goes on and on.

So is it any surprise at all he has no problem with this?

According to our resident troll, police have special rights. Special rights that absolve them from whatever appalling act they commit no matter how illegal or morally corrupt. And he loves to remind us the (real) police do not in fact work for us.

The troll Johnny Law claims to be a supervisor. Let that sink in for a minute. A supposed police supervisor who thinks this is funny and this is perfectly acceptable behavior.

Scary.

@ hhamneggs

*yawn*

@elliott

I respectfully suggest that you go back and reread my comment. My problem is that it is considered a news story simply because it involves a cop. It's not newsworthy that some guy got laid while on the clock.

@JL
I don't care about the on the clock aspect. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say he was on break. And quite frankly I don't care what you do on your break. Unless you are breaking the law in broad daylight. It would potentially have been news about some dude getting caught in broad daylight on a security cam, however it would probably never have been released if it weren't a cop. But considering the focus of this blog, he was in public and without any reasonable expectation of privacy..

Misconduct by a cop is *always* news. So I'm not sure what your problem is, it is coming across that you are pissed that he got caught and that he wouldn't otherwise if he hadn't been a cop. Am I mis-interpreting?

"Misconduct by a cop is *always* news. So I'm not sure what your problem is, it is coming across that you are pissed that he got caught and that he wouldn't otherwise if he hadn't been a cop. Am I mis-interpreting?"

Yes you are. I don't care that he got caught and he deserves any punishment he receives. I don't know why you people have a hard time understanding that I am not excusing his actions.

However next time I catch a couple of people fucking in the park when I am on patrol, I know it won't make the local news. My point is that Pixiq was correct in pulling the video because it has nothing to do with photography and is simply a "gotcha" at police because one got caught screwing up.

Would Carlos give a shit if it was the manager of the local Radio Shack? No, it's only because it's a cop that trolls like hhamlet are crowing. A cop screws up and it's a big big deal to the little people waiting in the peanut gallery.

These are the same people who would be bitching and moaning about human rights and making Thomas Jefferson quotes if police were arresting anyone else for this. Yet here they are talking nonsense about prostitution.

Cry us a river.

It's a news story because yet another cop is caught breaking the law.

How come a supposed police supervisor doesn't know that?

Answer?

Example 1,973 why the local troll is not, never was, nor ever will be a cop.

And for those interested, the criminals with badges broke a record today:

"Here are the 38 reports of police misconduct tracked in our National Police Misconduct News Feed for this record-breaking* Wednesday, August 31, 2011"

http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

hal

that would never happen in florida, the politicians down here are not like that. our state is the "sunshine state" for gods sake, they would have a lot explaining to do trying shit like that! its the law all the shit be in the SUNSHINE! as in for all to see, hear, video, and record any damn way you please! AND SHIT! the mainstream media allows this CRAP to happen with reporters there and cameras? WTF are they doing there, dont they get paid to "get the story"? down here in south florida we have some of the most dumbass reporters that work for 4, 7, and 10. they lie all the damn time, and they dont give a shit! one of the local stations had their cameraman robbed at gunpoint by MBPD, and they lied so damn bad, i caught her good. i lady reporter. GLENNA i think her name was, fuck her. she needs to be fired, the dumbitch. she was stating the lie that police were legally able to steal your camera if they gave a receipt. or some shit like that. the fact is the MAINSTREAM media are nothing but whores for the PMD.

If I had to make a guess, many politicians might have taken note how George Allen was taken down on the senatorial race in VA. If you remember, a Democratic operative was filming him,then he introduced the term
"macaca." As we all learned then, it was an an ethnic slur directed at Indians. That video brought down his presidential aspirations with his defeat of the VA Senate seat

In case you forgot >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r90z0PMnKwI

I think it's a good idea you keep a scorecard. I wouldn't trust a public servant not willing to do business in the open.

This past weekend, I attended my first town hall of the political season. Michelle Bachman was in town. Many in attendence, including myself had photographic devices and unhindered use of them

Whatever her politics, at least she passes this sniff test, for now.

Of course republicans are. The proof is in Weiner and Edwards sex videos!

Actually, I don't think it's biased one way or another.

I do know that Maryland and IL, the two most oppressive states per photography/videography, are very democratic historically.

Kennedy's, Daly's, etc.

Mike S

Carlos
As someone who leans right it saddens me to say that Republicans will probably be more camera shy than Democrats. But, I think you will be doing yourself and your readers a disservice if you don’t look deeper into the reasons behind it. Looking at your list I found that in most cases both sides are in highly continuous or battleground areas. This puts them as prime targets for activist on both sides to stage disruptions, selectively edit or at the least catch someone in a gaffe.
IMHO banning photography at public events is not the solution nor is refusing to have Town Halls in general as many have. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/08/23/no_town_halls_no_problem.html
Politicians need step up their game, learn to think on their feet and adapt to the capabilities of new technology. Some suggestions Video their open meetings themselves; Set specific rules regarding interaction, comment and outbursts; Be prepared to have voters challenge your positions and challenge commenters to offer solutions not just complaints.

I didn't examine them all, but I don't think the "Ron Paul" event deserves to be on the list. Campaign for Liberty is a private organization -- not part Dr. Paul's presidential campaign -- in an apparently private venue. The organization has the right to ban whomever or whatever it wants. If it were in public, on government property, or an event officially connected with the Paul campaign it would be a different matter.

While I strongly support the effort to defend the freedom to photograph, I'm disturbed that its activists seem to be persistently unable to distinguish between public and private events and property.

There is virtually no circumstance in which I believe public officials, in performance of their duties, have the right to exclude the public and their cameras, but nobody has the right to demand access to meetings of private organizations on private property. Campaign for Liberty has nothing to do with Ron Paul's performance of his public duties.

I'm going to second nicmart's comments on Ron Paul. He's one of the few in Congress who seems to have a genuine appreciation and respect for the Constitution in its' entirety, so I can't imagine him ever having a problem with photography or videography.

It deserves to be here. C4L was founded by Ron Paul and is very closely tied with him. John Tate (C4L President) and Ron Paul are too peas in a pod. Almost the entire C4L board including Steve Bierfeldt are on leave from C4L to help run the Ron Paul campaign. Steve was the one who thought Tarrin Lupo had no business video taping.

Just to make things clear I am a big Ron Paul fan. I doubt he would ever prevent someone from video taping, but he also has to make sure that people who represent him are in line with his views. He is running for President after all.

What C4L and Bierfeldt did in that case was stupid. I hope they learned from it and won't ever repeat it.

What you say may be true, but it is irrelevant. It is a private organization with the right to control access. It is not part of Paul's campaign or his congressional activities. The line is very simply drawn: private is private, public is public. Like anyone else, Ron Paul can have a private organization that prohibits photography. Simply noting that the private organization mirrors the public one is unconvincing. If all of the same people decide to go skinny dipping in a private pool, do you have the right to trespass and record them? If the Paul campaign holds a fundraiser at my home, do you imagine that you have the right to force your way in to record the event? Not on your life. Nobody has the right to trespass upon private property.

In gross generalization: Republicans tend to loath,hate, and dispise the 1st amendment(anti flag burning, etc.)While whole heartedly embracing the 2nd. Democrats tend to the opposite, embracing the 1st while loathing the 2nd. (I personally love both) So to the question "are Republicans more camera shy than Democrats"...probably.

I'd love to have a political party that loved ALL of the constitution, not just cherry picked it like repubs and dems do.

It's a tag team match, the Democrats steal from one half of our rights, four years later the Republicans steal from the other half.

There's no party to defend all of our rights because very few large corporate donors find our Constitutional rights to be in their best interests.

I agree. No one would have been caught off guard if this article was called "Are Democrat Politicians More Gun Shy Than Republicans? The obvious answer would be "yes, of course they are".

Good luck finding a politician today who cares about the entire Constitution. Both sides hide behind it when they can, and then promptly ignore it when they can get away with it.

Add one more Republican: Bill Montgomery, Maricopa Co. Attorney, in a upcoming debate at a public Arizona State University on the Drug War in which he of course is the pro-drug war side.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/095630-2011-08-30-county-attorney-do...

Considering how the predominantly left media has has treated politics over the years I can't say I blame Rep.'s for being more camera shy than dems.

I hate to think that Republicans are more camera shy than Dems, since I'm a registered Republican. My feeling is that government needs to be more accountable to the citizenry at all levels, regardless of party affiliation. Even though Carlos and I wouldn't agree on all things political, I admire him for starting this website and keeping it updated.

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