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Whoa, that is kind of a random encounter. Of course, I’m not a Dylan fan, but I do enjoy walking in the rain. A lot of us crazy eccentric types do.

Of course, Dylan has reason to be eccentric. He went into the 70′s, but he never came out the other side.

He behaved just as I figured he would.

Rolling Stone rates Bob Dylan more influential than Elvis, Jimi Hendrix and Chuck Berry. Only the Beatles as a group rates higher. Apparently, in this NJ neighborhood, walking on the street is considered criminal behavior by the the local Leos. Sadly, in most areas, Leos believe that they have the right to detain people and demand identification in violation of the 4th Amendment, even if you are just walking around and you believe that a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

Sorry steveo-I think that RS is nuts. I like BD songs when done as covers. I guess he’s tolerable to me in the Traveling Wilburys.

I guess that it’s too bad he wasn’t touring with Jack White.

The times they are a-changin’ (and not necessarily for the better)

Bob Dylan?? He has received numerous awards over the years: Grammy, Golden Globe and Academy Awards; he has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame and Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Well, this IS Jersey we’re talking about.

Besides, there may have been an APB out for illegal homesick subterranean blues aliens.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what happened here. The young officer was doing her job. Mr. Dylan responded in the appropriate manner. You’re trying to demonize the police for what DIDN’T happen when this was a 100% legal encounter where both parties acted like adults. Good job Officer Buble.

Peering into windows… from what vantage point? Was he on the property or on the sidewalk?

This is how Leos in NJ treat people walking on the public sidewalk. Bob was lucky.

http://www.northjersey.com/multimedia/video/47054637.html

Warning..violent content.

Jersey Cop…

What About Hiibel Vs the State of Nevada? Forget about that one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_...

What’s suspicious about taking a walk, no matter what the weather?

Granted, Bob should have been able to tell the cop to get bent, but he didn’t, and he’s still the big winner today Jersey Cop.

Because he let the clueless kid of a cop cart him back to his tour bus without any fuss, he now has an entertaining story about the kids that are cops today.

And the cops didn’t get an excuse to search him and find that enormous stash of rock-star-class weed he had on him.

BOB DYLAN WINS!

And according to Wiki, there isn’t a Stop-and-Identify law in New Jersey…so what was he doing wrong and what were their legal grounds for asking him for ID?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

Papers please.

I’m not sure why someone is bringing up Hiibel, since as someone else pointed out already, New Jersey doesn’t have a stop-and-identify law.

(If Dylan had been across the river in New York, there is a stop-and-identify law there, but it’s triggered only upon detention, which requires “reasonable suspicion” that the subject is engaged in criminal activity…the equivalent of a Terry stop, and not just talking to people walking down the street.

Jersey Cop no justification has been shown for asking for ID suggsts that Buble and apparently some other Jersey cops don’t understand that we live in a country where a man has the right to walk in the rain and explain himself to none. So bad on Buble.

It’s because Buble also failed to recognize the geezer with the Fargo accent and reporting on Dylan’s activities as Dylan that it’s funny. Dylan is actually a pretty low key guy so it’s easy to picture him managing the situation.

I would not have expected to see Bob Dylan in Long Branch, of all places. Remember that not everything is attached to the news, rock, celebrities, and there is such a thing as a generation gap.

Some folks are missing the point here. It doesn’t matter that it was Bob Dylan. It could have been Dob Bylan — according to NJ law, there is no legal grounds for these cops to ask him for ID. Period. “Suspicious” because he as wandering around in the rain?!? Pul-eeze.

“here isn’t a Stop-and-Identify law in New Jersey”

While the state does not have a statewide statute, many New Jersey cities have stop and ID statutes, including Long Branch.

You clowns really need to stop doing your legal “research” on Wikipedia. You only end up making yourselves look even more foolish than you already are. That’s why morons like you get yourselves into trouble, because you don’t know the law, but you think you’re so smart because you read something on Wikipedia.

Tug,

At least Wikipedia is a source.

You’re not posting any source, so you might as well be talking out of your ass

When I listed my source — unlike you — I said it was from Wiki which means anyone with a half a brain knows to double-check the source. And in this case, the set of links that entry has *is* a comprehensive list (with links) of all states with stop-and-ID laws.

Tug is just a bullying troll. Notice how he resorts to name-calling? Clowns. Morons. Tug is someone who can’t back anything up, so Tug returns to the third grade playground. Schmuck.

I’m not saying there isn’t a stop-and-ID statute in Long Branch, but let’s see it.

@Tug

Carlos and Jay are right. I took the liberty of looking up the city code book.

http://www.visitlongbranch.com/docs/citycodebook.pdf

I don’t see it yet. Where is it?

I’ve gone through the codebook Michaelk42 found (where!? I looked, though clearly not hard enough) and there isn’t anything that I found to support Tug’s claim.

One could argue that §218-1 *might* apply. But that would be a pretty tough sell in this case. And it’s not the point.

§218-1. LOITERING — Remaining idle in essentially one location, and shall include the concepts of
spending time idly, loafing or walking about aimlessly, and shall also include the colloquial
expression “hanging around.”

§218-3 (paraphrased) says a police officer can order a person to leave a place if in violation of §218-2 (read the document). Nowhere does it say anything about ID.

Tug?

Everyone has mentioned the “stop-and-identify” laws and the term “reasonable suspicion.” If I see a guy peering into my windows and I decribe him to the police, I just gave them “reasonable suspicion.” Not the “probable cause” needed for arrest but certainly “reasonable suspicion.” I would hope that they wouldn’t ignore the possible peeping tom/burglar casing my residence simply because he was walking away on a public street.

Bob Dylan is a national treasure and Officer Buble is, apparently, a capable officer. Both were mature and appropriate.

nice take Carlos.

“The officers were responding to a report from residents that an “eccentric-looking old man” had wandered into their yard, according to ABC News. Mr. Dylan, right, who said he was looking at houses to pass some time before that night’s show with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, was not carrying identification.”

The cops had every right to question him. they were responding to a call. It was their duty to find out the facts to their satisfaction. And Bob does look rather eccentric these days.

Perhaps what you should do Carlos is figure out how to be the best at what you do and stop trying to tell the police how to do their job.
Since you have no idea what their job is about.

Anon it doesn’t matter that they responded to a call. They found a wet old man who told them he was on a walk and that should have been that. Of course they tailed him for a while to make sure he wasn’t scouting for a burgler. (Right, they did tail him first?) The whole time the were driving Bob around and preventing him from whatever it was he was doing, those police were unavailable to do real police work.

“And Bob does look rather eccentric these days.”

Oh tell us what’s acceptable to look like, dick.

This whole story is weird. We have a guy who is trying to sell a house but gets freaked out by somebody looking into his window.

Why wouldn’t the guy just step out of the house and greet the stranger?

It’s not exactly a seller’s market these days.

I give credit to the cop for being courteous. And for responding in a timely manner.

She is only doing her job. And even if she was clueless about Bob Dylan, she maintained civility, which is more important.

But if she didn’t notice any burglary tools on Dylan, then how “suspicious” was he really?

The main question I am asking is what if Dylan would have refused to get into the vehicle?

He has every right to refuse, even if he does look eccentric.

What could the cop have legally done?

Nothing.

If he had refused he would have gotten arrested. He’s too old and busy for that so he managed another way out. And yes, Buble was polite which counts for a lot. But like the Dep character in Pirates, polite and legal are not the same thing.

If the Leos had met Jesus Christ on the street they have asked him for ID. It doesn’t matter who is walking around, the MFin’ Leos want Id from everybody.

Why don’t they go to Congress and get them to pass a law for us to put a MFin’ bar code tattoo on our arms like they did at Auschwitz.

Oh, where have you been my blue eyed son?

Carlos: Selling a house doesn’t mean it’s no longer private (i.e. off-limits to public) property. When someone is buying a house, they usually make appointments to see the properties they’re interested in. So regardless of the fact that the house was on the market, it would be creepy to just randomly be peeking in the windows.

Carlos, I don’t see where the cops did anything wrong here. In NJ, peering in someone’s window without permission IS indeed a crime. That is why he was being questioned.

As R said, having a for sale sign on your property does not void your right to privacy.

Granted, the owner could have handled things differently, but that’s a different story.