Pixiq

Actually, any property owner or any person acting on behalf of a property owner can use justified force in removing someone from private property after being asked to leave.

They cannot keep private property, though they (as noted) can forbid any photography.

Mike S

Yep. They can physically throw you out and they can restrict photography. However they have to use reasonable force. As far as I know they cannot seize your camera or phone though.

But they have to ask you to leave first right? They can’t just grab you and throw you out without warning, right?

Depends on the situation really but yes they should typically tell you before they get physical.

They cannot simply throw you out, it is a public event and they have to have a reason for throwing you out.
If you take a picture after they state no pictures then you can be kicked out, but the most they can do is ask you to leave, then insist you leave, then call the REAL police if you continue to refuse.
They cannot just put hands on you and throw you out.
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Actually, James, yes they can put their hands on you if you refuse to leave. They can absolutely use reasonable force to physically remove you from any piece of private property, period, AFTER you’ve been asked to leave (in most cases).

Now if you are sneaking around in the dark inside a locked building, they can use force to eject you (tackle, etc) FIRST.

As for yours stating the event is public, that’s in question. But even at a public event, one can be ejected for any reason if it’s on private property.

Mike S

if they are black or hispanic and you are white, they can throw water on you and your equipment and then call haitian and cuban cops to take you to jail…

The 2nd amendment allows for protection of life and ‘property’. One less dumbass bouncer in the world, who would care?

Seriously, what a bunch of cunts. I encourage all photog’s to kick anyone in the balls if they reach for your gear. Try it, it works.

Most bouncers and a great number of guards, are dumb ass thugs. They are chosen for these qualities, the boss wants some one to frighten the sheep in to line and control them. If any thing goes wrong and a complaint is filed, he will show you the employ manual ( the copy the guard never saw), and make a show of firing or disciplining the guard and calm that he has no responsibility because the guard violated policy. All the while the guard is wandering what happened and ( because he was chosen for low IQ) will go on to his next job none the wiser. And the client just laughs, he got what he wanted.

@Roger: Don’t think that’ll cover them under all circumstances. If an employee of theirs does something illegal against a customer (like in this example, stealing their camera/phone), the _business_ can be sued as well as the individual. And even though the employee manual says what the employee did was wrong, that’s not a guarantee if it goes to court that the business owner won’t end up with a judgment against them. Juries sometimes decide to punish the business owner because they feel (rightly or wrongly) that they really were responsible, like if the employee claims they were never shown said manual like you suggest.

In this case I’d say the business needs to do something ASAP to take care of those people whose equipment was stolen, or they may find themselves on the wrong end of a civil lawsuit they’re unlikely to win. And possibly criminal charges too, theft is a crime. I know if it was me and the business was refusing to return my equipment I’d go and file a police report on them immediately. I would give them a chance to do the right thing, but if they refuse, to hell with them.

Random, your right, but they often do think this way. The guard was shown a manual and signed a paper to that effect, it was just not the same and how would you prove that? And this trick often does work. I know as I was involved with an PI firm also ran guards , while we never operated in this manor others did. A large number of guard company’s ( and rather well known ones) are very scummy. And then there is the client.