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How much should you charge for a photograph?Canadian Man Ticketed and Fined for Videotaping Sleeping Cops
A Canadian man who videotaped two cops sleeping in their squad car ended up getting ticketed and fined.
Now the cops are under investigation as the video has gone viral.
Maxime Carpentier said he was driving by when he saw the cop car parked with the engine running, but didn't see anybody inside.
He parked and walked up to the car to find the two officers in deep slumber with their seats titled back, including one who was curled up in the fetal position.
One of the cops woke up, then demanded his driver license, even though Carpentier wasn't driving at the time.
After 30 minutes of detainment, Carpentier was handed a $156 ticket for having made an illegal u-turn - which we know the cops didn't witness.
The police union president defended the cops, stating they might have been on their break. Or something.
But even if that were true, it would be pretty stupid of them considering how we're always hearing how cops are in fear for their lives and how everybody wants to ambush them.
I know it's Canada where everybody is a passive and peace-loving supposedly. But still, a cop sleeping on the job in full view of the public, whether he is on break or not, is still pretty stupid and deserves to become a viral video.
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Holy crap Carlos, proofread man, for god sakes I had to fix this one in my head on the fly every other sentence as I read it to my family.
No more drunk posting.
The cops should be thankful someone checked up on them, for all anyone knew they *were* ambushed and lying dead in there.
Oh jeez, here we go "Were they on their union break?"
Sleeping on duty is very unsafe. I have caught a few winks while on the night shift but I always made sure I was parked next to another car with another officer who was awake and writing reports.
Of course the Ticking Time Bomb JLaw completely overlooks the fact that the cops wrote a bogus ticket in retaliation.
The fact that the action of these psychos doesn't even show up on his radar is proof just how dangerous our very own JLaw is.
I shudder to think of the dreams (reach arounds and puppy stomping) that visit JLaw during his tax payer sponsored slumbers.
They are psychos? For falling asleep on the job? Or for writing a ticket? According to dovescom, the ticket was for parking on an emergency lane. If he parked there, how was it bogus?
If I listen carefully, I can hear you grinding your teeth in impotent rage. Better get that blood pressure checked buddy.
So far you have condoned violence against women. False arrest. And now you admit to sleeping on the job.
What are you gonna admit to next Top Cop?
Seriously? You are going to get all excited because I've slept on the job? Yep, I've done it a few times back when I worked the night shift and it was dead. If I got caught, I would have been punished for it and taken my medicine without crying about it. I wouldn't do it now because I am a supervisor and I have to set an example for the guys under me.
"What are you gonna admit to next Top Cop?"
Well let's see...I have taken pens home used them for non-work related tasks. I have called in sick a few times when I really just didn't want to come into work. I have also used my work computer to surf the net for non-work related issues.
Oh nozs!!! What is hhamlet the troll gonna say about that?
I'm going to say thanks for confirming to us that the very things that would get every single one of us fired are the very things that get cops like you promoted.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. You have no idea why sleeping on the job is completely unacceptable. Or hitting women for that matter. No clue. No remorse.
Unbelievable.
@hhamlet (aka angry impotent drama queen)
"You have no idea why sleeping on the job is completely unacceptable."
Please take a break from your shock and indignation to read my post again. I wrote:
"If I got caught, I would have been punished for it and taken my medicine without crying about it. I wouldn't do it now because I am a supervisor and I have to set an example for the guys under me."
Where did I say it was "completely unacceptable"? I'm flattered that you think I perfect but I'm actually just human like everyone else.
Have fun in your ivory tower while polishing your halo.
Follow the bouncing ball.
I said it is completely unacceptable for you to sleep on the taxpayer's dime. So don't flatter yourself. Most of us here would be fired for that. There is no ivory tower or halo in the real world Johnny.
But by all means, keep backtracking after each admission.
Sleeping behind the wheel of a car with the engine running is also not safe.
Well, compared to other things cops have done, like putting the boots to someone while they were laying face down with their hands behind their head, smashing some woman into a cement wall, arresting some kid for filming a cop smashing another kids head through a window, I say let them lie undisturbed in the squad car. Sweet dreams officers!
They did not write him for u-turn, they wrote ticket for parking in an emergency lane, and considering the circumstances the crown attorney will probably throw the ticket out when the gent with the camera files to contest the ticket, and if the crown does not the magistrate, on viewing the photo evidence, and as civilians have a history in Canada of assisting police, his claim of stopping to see if there was anything wrong will result in the ticket being dismissed.
Source? There's several different accounts in several different stories.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/02/25/17411046.html
"Carpentier was cited for parking his vehicle in an inappropriate spot - the side of the highway. He says he'll fight the ticket in court, since he only stopped because he was worried the officers might have been in danger.
"If they had been unconscious and I saved them from certain death, they would have thanked me," said Carpentier, 31."
If the officers were in trouble it would have been perfectly fine to park there and check on them. But since they got caught doing something wrong, they wrote the guy a ticket. I guess needing a nap must be considered an emergency, so it was OK for the cops to park and sleep there.
Yeah since I always carry a video camera when I think someone might be in danger.
Get real. The guy just wanted to embarrass some police officers and get a video on youtube. The whole "I just wanted to help" line is bull.
Johnny Law I always have a video camera with me it is built into my blackberry, and you are basing your comment about him just wanting to embarrass the cops based on the US way people look at police, here in Canada it is common for people to assist officers.
"Motorist Maxime Carpentier used his cellphone to record two male officers snoozing..."
I guess JL doesn't carry a cellphone, or at least not one with video capabilities.
By JL's logic, a seemingly-unoccupied police vehicle, left unattended, running beside the road, is absolutely normal and should not be looked into.
Real police, however, feel differently:
A police spokeswoman, Sgt. Eloise Cossette, tells QMI Agency that the force will hold a disciplinary hearing into the incident.
"It's obvious that this type of behaviour is unacceptable," she said. "The two officers will have to produce a report to explain themselves."
Cossette said it's too early to say what disciplinary measures, if any, would be taken against the officers. Robert Poeti, a road-safety expert and one-time provincial police officer, tells QMI that the incident is embarrassing for his former colleagues.
"If they (the officers) were tired, they should have just returned to the station," said Poeti. "Their supervisor would have understood and definitely would have sent them home."
Michael is responding to a point I never made. I never said that they shouldn't be disciplined for sleeping on the job. Any department is obligated to do take action in this situation.
That doesn't change the fact that this guys whole "Helper McHelperton" story is ridiculous.
I do find it interesting that two officers sleeping at work is so important a story. Anyone else here ever catch a few winks at work? Should it be followed by a press release from your boss?
"I have caught a few winks while on the night shift..."
Top Cop Johnny Law confesses. What else would you like to get off your chest Johnny?
No, JL just claims to telepathically know exactly what the person who taped this was thinking when he stopped to see what was going on.
Which is the thing that's actually ridiculous.
Just to make sure I have Johnny Law's argument down right.
He's on a site dedicated to photography not being a crime. Then someone takes a pic of snoozing cops who subsequently is arrested and ticketed, whether he was there to help or not, and Johnny Law's first instinct is to comment by not only admitting he has done it, but that he would have faced the justice if only he'd been caught...
Hmmm...
Caught how? A passerby with a camera perhaps?
Pretty sure Johnny Law would have jumped up and written false tickets as well, making up whatever he needed to make up in order to justify ticketing the person. And unless he was caught redhanded, perhaps by a passerby with a videocamera who could prove Johnny Law was writing false tickets, Johnny Law would feel smug getting away with it, since only by being caught is someone actually guilty, in his opinion.
Raping and murdering Johnny Law's wife or daughter wouldn't be bad. Getting caught would be. That's some twisted logic there Johnny. And I am so happy to hear you were promoted to a position of being a supervisor. More twisted logic. And yet you don't see by all of this why we want to photograph and videotape you demented cops.
Also, the guy might have checked on the officers and seeing they were all right, then went back to his car to fetch a camera. I know I wouldn't want to approach cops, sleeping or not, with anything even remotely resembling a weapon as they would shoot first, shoot to kill and then lie about the circumstances. But if someone was there to videotape, they might not get away with it.
I think Top Cop and woman hater JLaw means to say "it was easy to find a couple cops embarrassing themselves".
Sleeping on the taxpayer's dime is just one perk according to JLaw's own admission.
Time to call out the sock puppet army JLaw. Officer needs backup!
I actually have to agree with Johnny Law. They cops shouldn't have been sleeping on duty, and the department should take appropriate action.
However, if the guy was parked illegally, and they cited it for him, that's the end of it. There isn't a list of illegal actions they're supposed to ignore, is it? What crimes/violations should they not cite people for when they notice them?
I'm not saying that their decision to cite wasn't based on being annoyed by the photographer, but if the charge is accurate, their motivation doesn't matter. Just if he did the illegal act or not.
However motivation is taken into account when in a court of law.
If I kil you because I do not like the look of your face I get one sentence, if I come home and you have killed both of my children and are raping my wife then I can kill you with basic immunity and not be sentenced the same as if I had killed you in cold blood.
If the cops had been shot and he came up and found them, called an ambulance and saved their lives I doubt he would have been ticketed.
He caught them sleeping on the job in a (declared by their own admission) emergency lane.
As sleeping is not an emergency in any jurisdiction then they too were in the wrong.
They were pissed they got busted, they ticketed him to get back at him, it is simple logic, if my son hits my daughter I can assume that she hit him back because he hit her. Considering most cops have the intelligence of your average 5 year old it is a good assumption.
JL is right, they should be punished for the on the job sleeping, they are not paid to sleep, they are paid to patrol, if they are tired go back to the station, clock out, take a nap then clock back in, you are not paid to sleep.
I don't think example about killing someone is very relevant to this situation. The guy obviously wasn't trying help them. He didn't knock on the window to see if they were okay. He got out his video camera and decided to shoot some video. He was not assisting in any emergency and still stuck around after he realized it wasn't an emergency. Therefore he was in an unauthorized place with no good reason. It's a valid ticket.
The ticket doesn't cancel out the sleeping on duty and the sleeping on duty doesn't cancel out the ticket.
Really though, two cops were sleeping on duty. Big deal. It is an administrative issue. Let's not make a civil rights case out of it. Next thing we know, boisegadfly or bergman will start saying that the cops need to be charged with felony theft because they were getting paid to work but were sleeping while on the clock.
Or maybe they could be charged with falsifying a government document for signing a time sheet that showed them working 40 hours.
"The guy obviously wasn't trying help them."
Apparently JL has a crystal ball/telepathy again.
"He didn't knock on the window to see if they were okay."
He didn't have to, the officers were plainly sleeping after he got up there to look inside.
"He was not assisting in any emergency and still stuck around after he realized it wasn't an emergency."
He documented what the police superiors have already stated was misbehavior on the part of the officers, and was held there when he was detained out of revenge.
"Therefore he was in an unauthorized place with no good reason."
It's not been established that it's factually illegal in Canada to stop on the side of a highway to check on/aid another motorist, which is still a far better reason than sleeping.
"It's a valid ticket."
It's amazing how someone who's not even a real cop in this country can purport to have such a grasp of Canadian law.
The fact that he had a camera when he went to check on them proves he wasn't a good Samaritan, huh JL? That's a logic failure on your part.
If I suspected an officer might be in trouble, you can bet I'd have my cellphone in my hand, 911 already dialed, with my thumb on the Make Call button, ready to call for help. If I then discovered the officers were asleep on duty, parked blocking an emergency lane? Well, just like the guy in the story, my phone has a camera built in.
Having a camera on his person or even in hand does not disprove his claim of being a Good Samaritan, since even many cheap cellphones have cameras these days. And the story did note that he took the video with a cellphone camera.
I'm not Canadian, but being a former Law Enforcement Explorer, I'd have reacted to an oddly parked, seemingly empty police car with the engine running and NOBODY around exactly the same way the guy in the story did.
This is like the dumb argument the fireman had with the cop who wanted to arrest him for blocking the freeway with his fire engine so the cop and the firemen and the injured accident victims would all be protected by his twenty ton fire truck.
And the cop said to move the vehicle. While the fireman was about to administer medical care to an injured victim. The fireman refused and the cop decided to arrest him. And this was the fire chief.
So here we have an emergency vehicle responding to an emergency being told by a cop to move his vehicle which was protecting victims and the cop himself and being arrested.
This goes to show that cops have no common sense judgement. They simply cannot come to rational decisions that the rest of us come to so easily. The cop could not see that providing medical care to accident victims and ensuring the fireman, victims and cops were not in danger while parked on the side of the freeway was more important than writing parking tickets. And that you don't get in to a pissing contest with a fire chief at a fire.
If the guy was driving along and saw the police car on fire and ran over to help and the cops subsequently ticketed him, I'd fire the cops. Having people that stupid carrying guns is dangerous.
Can common sense be taught in a classroom? Does anybody know?
In most places, interfering with emergency personnel is a crime; Fire trucks, like police cars, are exempted from most parking violations, and when their lights & siren are on, from quite a few moving violations as well. At the scene of an accident, where medical treatment is under way, that fire chief outranks the cop, unless there's gunfire going on.
A cop who files a report of arresting a fire chief at an accident scene, as the chief carries out his lawful duties, is in essence confessing to a crime that prevents you from being a cop if convicted. Talk about career-ending stupidity.
There's a guy who really should NOT be allowed to carry a gun, and certainly not a badge. But I'd be willing to bet dollars to dimes that (if the story is actually true) the guy is still working as a cop somewhere.
A broken law is is a broken law, is there lesser broken laws there officer Johnny?
You admit to sleeping on the job, you should not be on the force, plain and simple.
"You admit to sleeping on the job, you should not be on the force, plain and simple."
I don't think sleeping on the job is a criminal offense Jim. It's an administrative violation and the first offense in my department would only get you a written reprimand.
I love how all you shutterbugs think you know who is fit to be a police officer.
We are not paying you to sleep.
Your utter lack of comprehension, moral fortitude, or professionalism justifies our negative assessment of your ability to serve and protect.
I am sure the community that employs you will gladly accept your prompt resignation.
Conduct Unbecoming an Officer is also an administrative offense.
I've always wondered why, given that police are active militia, that they aren't ever charged with that particular offense?
I honestly don't care that cops catch a wink while they are on the job. Sure, we can complain about tax payer's dollars and all, but let's be honest, those of us who work hard, get tired sometimes.
As long as those cops are ready to go when the radio starts blaring, then it's all good.
The main issue I have is how they obviously retaliated against the videographer for making the illegal u-turn because we know they didn't witness the illegal u-turn.
So it's obvious they dug deep in their mind as to what they can get him for and it was the illegal u-turn.
The other issue I have is that it really is stupid to be sleeping on the job in such a visible spot.
There have been times when I've been driving and felt the need to pull over and take a nap and I am very careful about it because I'm worried that somebody might try to rob me.
When you're a cop, you have to worry about people wanting to kill you just because you're a cop.
So these guys basically got ambushed by a guy with a camera and they used their authority to teach him a lesson.
And that's the part that fucked up.
Perhaps the officers should explain that they were engaging in a "Fatigue Countermeasure". I actually think that they should be allowed to have a controlled rest period, with one of them awake of course. So, JL I personally would not have a problem with you resting while the other officer does paperwork. Just be sure to limit your rest to 30 minutes so you don't get into the deeper levels of sleep and then be groggy when you might have to respond to a call. I would rather have you rested while patrolling the interstate at 75mph, than struggling to stay awake and having micro-sleeps.
However, I think the officers should have just been embarrassed, and let it go at that. When they decided to ticket the videographer it looked punitive and only added ammunition to the video going viral.
The FAA has been considering allowing pilots to nap, one at at time, on longer flights. Trans Pacific flights actually carry an extra pilot so that one can be sleeping while the other two are on the flight deck. They have a tiny bunk room in the tail of the plane, at least on those 747's.
http://human-factors.arc.nasa.gov/zteam/
Then scroll down to "Planned cockpit rest" on the left side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_work_sleep_disorder
As I said before, compared to other things cops have done, let them sleep. Hell, I'll even sing them a lullaby
"Go to sleep my baby close those big blue eyes
Angles up above you peeping through the clearing in the skies.
When the great big moon is shinning, stars begin to peep.
Now it's time for little babies to go to sleep."
Rat out the State and ths State will make you pay. Gotta love socialism.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
What you're describing is authoritarianism, not socialism. Possibly totalitarian fascism, but definitely not socialism.
The cop holding the Dough nut,is that one of the cops?
I guess it dosn`t matter.
Any Cop,like the one,or,ones that wrote that man a ticket don`t even have a Real Human Mother
You thought Area 51 was some kind of a joke;it ain`t!!
Does anyone really believe Nancy Pelosi was real,or,Harry Reid"?...Please!!!
Pelosi, Reid, Bush, Cheney, going back LBJ and Nixon are all real, they are just not born. They reproduce by fission. Like all bacteria.
LOL......I had to join this forum because I had to be able to comment in this Johnny Law guy. Initially I really thought he was just a parody of a real cop but then the more I read he really means some of the stuff he defends. This should be fun over the next few months.
Hey KS guy,
It is a blast. Especially when JL keeps admitting to how bad of a cop he actually is and he doesn't even realize it. Keep watching/reading its fun.
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