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I have no opinion on the “They were invited” issue…
but is there any word on whether Terranea Resort is public property?
The google map looks like it’s at the end of a long dead-end road… not that it automatiaclly makes it private land,

From these photos, it appears those security guards commited assault and battery.

From the expression on the cop’s face, it’s like he’s committing sodomy as well.

I realize Judge Andrew Napolitano has said that “the camera is the new gun” and this may not appeal to most readers here liberal sensibilities, but you guys need to start carrying big scary looking rifles slung in front of you in addition to your cameras.

You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

The only way you can guarantee you won’t be manhandled by these thugs (this goes for thugs wearing blue outfits too) is to present a credible deterrence.

Yes, because the thing photographers really need is an actual weapon to give police officers even more of a reason to harassing them in the name of “officer safety.” You really thought this idea through, didn’t you.

Yes I did.

I want you to put on your critical thinking cap here.

Remember the first couple of days after the Haiti earthquake when doctors were leaving the sick and injured because they feared for their safety? Remember the riots at food aid distribution points?

Then the 82nd Airborne arrived with their M-16′s slung and the riots stopped.

What do you make of that?

The LA Times has a different take on this that, in my opinion, is not supported by the video, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/03/paparrazi-arrested-while-t...

What I see in that video is assault by the security guards. I think the cops need to take a look at this video and arrest the correct people.

Terranea is a private resort but is on, according to their website http://www.terranea.com, 102 acres. So it is very possible and likely that these guys were on public property.

I think a complete boycott of the this Resort, the other Lowe Destinations Dvelopment properties, all Destinations Vacations and Resorts manaage properties and the TV Show ‘Batcholor ‘ and anythign that Jason Mesnick and Molly Malaney may appear in is the correct thing to do. After seeing this I would suggest that all of my friends stay out of that resort and go someplace else.
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Lots of people trying to get out of the way of this lawsuit in a hurry. It may end up being a landmark suit for photography in general

The latest I have seen is ABC is distancing itself from the event saying they were not involved and that the independent production companies is to blame …. Resort says it was the production companies security and not theres. I am guessing the next step is the production company to blame the security company.

A lot hinges on whether they were on public property or not. However, even if not the security should have just escorted off their land. What I can’t stand are elites exercising their rights over the rest of us on public property. I have to admit I’d like seeing these security goons get a taste of their own medicine. We need ninja photographers!

A lot of this hinges on whether it was real or not.

Paying a couple of paps 500 bucks to take a fall and spend a few hours in custody in return for all this free publicity seems like a bargain to me.

But barring that sort of pre-arranged PR stunt, yeah, big-time lawsuit.

Terranea is in Palos Verdes, Calif., not far from where I grew up. All beach areas in Calif are (supposed to be) open to the public. Plus, property owners are not permitted to block access to the beach in front of their property, and are supposed to provide access where none exist.

Apparently that policy has gotten murky in the 20 yrs I’ve been away-

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/23/us/ruling-clears-way-to-ease-beach-acc...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-headlands15-2010feb15,0,1307253....

However, if the area the photogs accessed was a public walkway to a California beach, then they had every right to be there.

Let’s hope the po-po or DA lays it on the security thugs, but that doesn’t seem the kind of thing they do (the right thing.)

So much for camaraderie…”that’s not cool” is the best they could do when a few guys in suits go right for the chokehold on a colleague.

Pussies.

Yeah, there was not much of a buddy factor going on there. As for what happened in the video… I really hope they were on public property. If they were then I think the photographers would have a strong case.
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That guy’s tie would make a great handle to yank if it isn’t a clip-on.

Public property? Probably. Invited? Maybe. Regardless, those guards overstepped their bounds by a wide margin. The more I read stuff on PINAC, the more I look at possible harassment as a “when”, not an “if”.

If you are going in a group like that you need to chip into a pool or kitty and hire about 6 big Navy SEALS who have PTSD as body guards and let them stomp these nazi’s to a bloody mush.

Seeing that jackass drop L glass makes me cringe… Even in comparison to the other outrageous behavior from security guards that gets published on this site, this stands out as a horrible reaction on the part of the security guards. I am generally armed when I am shooting to protect myself and my gear from criminals, perhaps its time I consider how I can defend myself from thugs like this…

After looking through many websites, the trail seems to be public. Call them @ (310) 265-2800. Private institution may use private money to make public trails. How do you think your side walk was made?

The down side to these photographers is that here in California, you can not use a telephoto lens to zoom into private property without permission. The charges of a blocking sidewalk will be dismissed. Battery may also be dismissed. BUT, charges may be presented for using telephoto lens to view private property from public grounds. If the photograph(s) received an official notice, and since the show will air on television, it may be considered public. If the photographer aren’t charged with anything, then they should have no problem suing (winning) the security management company. If I were the photographer(s) I would sue them for damage of property (camera-lens), blocking public access, harassment, battery, unnecessary citizen arrest, unlawful detention (1. for taking them off the sidewalk; 2. for making rules on public property), disturbing the peace, emotional damages, etc. As terms with security, like most of the time, they never get charged with anything. They will just lose $$$.

I urge you to email to city’s Mayor of Rancho Palos Verdes (stevew@rpv.com), to bring to there attention of who they are allowing to patrol public domain.
http://www.palosverdes.com/Rpv/contact/index.cfm
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Yes, your argument makes perfect sense, in that context; however, the 82nd Airborne, last time I checked, were members of the *military* and carry guns as part of their job.

Photographers generally don’t.

Breeching extensions are used on military/police shotguns that might be used to blow the lock out of a door. They allow direct contact with the door, while allowing expansion room so there’s no back pressure that could damage the shotgun as the shot load exits the muzzle. You can see an example here:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/19081.jpg

As you can see, the sawtooth design also serves as a strong “persuader” when urging someone forward at gunpoint.

I think that with a lens hood and a file, you’d have something that “Alonzo Lamas in a Trashbag” wouldn’t really want to grab onto, nor have shoved in his face.

Doctors rationally feared for their safety because buildings were falling down. No doctors were attacked. Sanjay Gupta worked through the night with no guard detail and no problem. This Haitian riot meme is baloney cooked up to justify an armed reaction.

I’m not sure about CA, but in most states there is no law against resisting physical contact or detention by private security guards. Because they’re not sworn police officers, “resisting arrest” doesn’t apply – even to a “citizen’s arrest.” Although it stands to reason that security guards are probably hired based on some ability or prior experience in physically controlling and detaining people, it’s a safe bet that not all of them are, so fight back when one of them lays their hands on you or your equipment. Get some self-defense training – it will serve you well both professionally and personally.

In all cases, especially if you’re photographing or recording (audio or video) their contact with you or others, make sure to first say “stop touching me – let me go – take your hands off me – I do not consent to your physical contact” or something like that to make a record of them having physically accosted you first, then defend yourself with all means reasonable and necessary at your disposal. It wouldn’t hurt to have a 4 or 5 D-cell flashlight on your belt – they make excellent “attitude adjusters” and are not illegal clubs or weapons if you can attest to using them for tasks that may be performed at night or in dark areas like changing setting equipment up, lighting dark areas or paths, fishing things out of your trunk or lighting up the key hole on your vehicle in a dark parking lot, right?

Lay a few of them out around the country and I bet the word will start getting around their community to think twice before laying their mitts on people.

have the identities of the “guards” been released anywhere? were they off-duty cops? what agency/department?

I can really not find anything about this

Why not?

I carry everywhere there isn’t a metal detector.

Why don’t you? Do you personally value your life so little that it isn’t worth protecting?

CITATION NEEDED

I doubt they were off duty, as the guard can be heard in the video to say “citizen’s arrest”. Off duty police don’t make citizen’s arrests, all arrests they make are official, where on duty or not.

More and more, it’s becoming obvious that anyone in the photojournalism field needs to carry some tool of self-defense. What that tool is, should really be thought out by the person considering it. In some areas, a firearm would be prudent. In others, maybe it would be overkill. A C2 TASER, an ASP baton, or the aforementioned Maglite might be the solution.

I’m not one to advocate violence, but when a private citizen with a god complex gets up in my shit, I’m going to do something about it. A few goons in the ER will send repercussions through the “private security” industry and maybe force these guys to wonder what else we’ve got in our bags.
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The best weapon is a camcorder, especially if in the hands of a pal. In any case it would be wise to learn self-defense; It would have been a different story if that had been me. I likely still have been arrested. I don’t get angry easily, but this infuriates me.