Camera Catches Cops Feuding Over Borders as Victim Lays on Ground
Cops Tussle With Cops On Camera: MyFoxPHILLY.com
Like warring gangs, two police juridstictions in Pennsylvania squared off against each other after one officer crossed a borough line to make an arrest.
The altercation, which took place last Friday, was all caught on video as the victim of the crime laid on the ground.
According to Fox 29, a woman flagged down an officer after she had been punched in the face by a man.
The officer happened to be from Colwyn borough. The incident took place in Darby borough.
Rather than hang around and wait for Darby cops to show up, the Colwyn cop arrested the man.
But then the Darby police chief pulled up to the scene and began yelling at the Colwyn cop who made the arrest, ordering him to get out of his borough.
The Colwyn cop got out of his car and had to be restrained.
Meanwhile, emergency service workers tended to the woman as she laid on the ground.
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It will probably go away like that confrontation between the ambulance and the cop en route to a call. Not as exciting video though. Cop on cop action.
*snicker*
And these people are suppose to protect us?
Jr High students act more mature.
Actually Colwyn (pop. about 2,500, 0.3 sq mi) and Darby (pop about 10,000, 0.8 sq mi) are both boroughs not counties. They are both in Delaware County (pop about 560,000, 191 sq mi). Up north we have somewhat different political subdivisions than what they have in the south so it's easy to get confused just as it was when I first moved to the south and found out I didn't live in a county because I lived in a city. Pennsylvania only has 67 counties but has 2,565 local goverments. Not all the local goverments have police forces, most do not.
Here, in PA the are counties are divided into Cities, Boroughs and Townships and there is always a more local government than the county because all the land is incorporated into something other than the county. The counties still have sheriffs but the job of the deputies is to transport prisoners for the most part. The sheriff is still elected and he still runs the jails. His office or the Prosecutors office might have special investigators for things like murders or the state police might be called in.
Gov Christie in NJ (all the land in NJ is also incorporated to a more local form of government as well, they have cities, boroughs, towns, villages and townships) wants to get rid of the local police forces in that state, there are about 500 of them, and have only 13 county police forces. I think when they added that into the story it got confusing to someone not familiar with how things are divided up north.
BTW I live in Hamilton Township, Monroe County, PA but my mailing address lists my city as Stroudsburg, PA.
Duane, don't forget about that one, single town in PA!
Whenever I go out of state, I always find it odd to see signs for things such as "town police." Uhh... town? What's that?
If anything, I thought it was odd to see two boroughs bordering each other in this story, as I don't believe I've ever seen that before - they're typically separated by townships. Then again, I live in LebCo, so, a bit rural compared to Delaware County.
Cops that are in a squad car, or even off duty are still cops, and their testimony and paperwork will still be allowed in court. a jurisdictional pissing contest that makes the police chief look like a jerk must be a nice break from the monotony of living in PA.
The only thing missing from that video is Benny Hill music running in the background.
i live down in south florida, a friend was telling me that all the police in FLA. could now legally stop anyone, no matter where they were, and give someone a traffic ticket.
this is why i am sure i am right and he is wrong. when cops have that right, who gets the money, they are all giving traffic tickets and they dont want any other police dept. to have that right.
if your out of your jurisdiction, then you cannot legally give a traffic ticket i say! and this story is exactly why!
GUY: i know who BENNY HILL was, thats was some funny stuff. i miss it, havent seen any BH in years.
"if your out of your jurisdiction, then you cannot legally give a traffic ticket i say! and this story is exactly why!"
It depends on the state and what kind of agency you are in. Some allow a municipal department to write tickets in the county their city is in even if they are out of the city limits. Some states also allow them to write tickets within surrounding counties or so many miles outside their area.
You need to research the specific laws for Florida. Then you have to look at the policies of those departments. Even if they are allowed to write tickets outside their area, their department may not allow them to.
JL is correct about being able to make arrests and the like outside of there primary jurisdictions and every state is different. This incident happened in Pennsylvania however. In PA you can find the rules here, http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/judiciary-and-judicial-procedure/00.0... but since it seems most of you are lazy I'll post the few relative sections:
Statewide municipal police jurisdiction - 42 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 8953
§ 8953. Statewide municipal police jurisdiction.
(a) General rule.--Any duly employed municipal police officer who is within this Commonwealth, but beyond the territorial limits of his primary jurisdiction, shall have the power and authority to enforce the laws of this Commonwealth or otherwise perform the functions of that office as if enforcing those laws or performing those functions within the territorial limits of his primary jurisdiction in the following cases:
(5) Where the officer is on official business and views
an offense, or has probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed, and makes a reasonable effort to identify himself as a police officer and which offense is a felony, misdemeanor, breach of the peace or other act which presents an immediate clear and present danger to persons or property.
He's in his car patrolling so he's on official business and he either saw or had good probable cause. So I'd say he's got jurisdiction to make the arrest in the first place.
(c)Relinquishing authority.--Whenever a municipal police officer exercises any power or authority over any person or event pursuant to the provisions of subsection (a)(3), (4), (5) or (6), the officer shall relinquish authority and control over any such person or event upon the request of the chief law enforcement officer, or a person authorized by him to make the request, of the organized law enforcement agency which regularly provides primary police services in the municipality.
That was one hell of a request to relinquish authority and control.
Further reading of the law shows that there are some changes in workman's compensation and other such insurances and coverages when officers go outside their primary jurisdictions. My guess is this is more about that and a one ups man-ship going on between the two departments since the areas they patrol are so small.
If the other department is always making arrests for things that happen just over the boarder people in the other town will begin to wonder why they have their own department. Opps there goes the chiefs job.
"Santa Monica? A little out of your jurisdiction, aren't you?"
"We're all UPU-2 now" - Officer Roland Taverner, from Southland Tales.
P.S. Directly after this, the jurisdictional squabbler shoots and kills two innocent actors in a house, on camera, and then steals the camera. how apropos.
Just goes to show its not about right or wrong but power and control
In NM municipal officers are limited to within city limits except in two circumstances: They have been issued a special deputy card by the county sheriff or they are in "fresh pursuit". The agency of record for any particular location has the final authority, though it often refuses to "interfere" with a larger municipal department for political reasons. We have seen sheriffs sued for things municipal cops did outside city limits. Dona Ana county paid a huge settlement for a roadblock set by Las Cruces PD on interstate 10. A family died and the jury found the police at fault. Both departments had to pay. The sheriff (Ray Storment) at the time revoked the cards as a result, leaving the city cops with half the population living outside of their reach. City cops were mad at the SO for years after Ray left office.
The law is the same for university police. They will often have deputy cards otherwise they are restricted to university property.
The deputy cards are generally issued unless there is a problem between the agencies (as mentioned above). Deputies however have authority everywhere in the county. They can arrest within city limits as well as outside. This is all well stated in court law, but a lot of people including some cops and even judges seem confused.
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