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I like the kids attitude

It’s great to see someone politely and firmly asserting their rights. If more folks would do this (and in a similarly polite manner) fewer agents of the state would unnecessarily harass citizens.

Is the cop texting at the end? hahah. It almost looks like he lost interest in what was going on.

All the cop had to say was: “We don’t like people taking photos around the ramp. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t. Have a nice day!”

I think I would have such a field day in DC. I might have to fly up there and team up with Jerome. That would be a blast.

That was fantastic. Jerome is eloquent, knowledgeable, and polite, but he doesn’t surrender his rights. He’s a model citizen.

All I have to say is that you have impressed me time after time without letting down. I’m 24 yrs old and I can honestly say that you; Carlos Miller are my hero. Thank you for restoring a modicum of faith in humanity and thank you to all of you who are willing to properly show your support for this cause.

What’s with these cops? One appeared to be ‘camera shy’ while the other seemed to be unaware of what to say/do after threatening to detain someone. Kudos to Jerome he handled the situation very well. More people ought to read this post so officers would think twice before harassing people.
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Looks like the officer was updating his facebook status to “Confused”

These people are so devoid of any logic. They flip out over people taking photos, but anyone could likely get the same photo from Google Street view. Oh, if you were really going to attack, just go and drive-by yourself.

I remember one time when I was working as a police officer. Person who ran the department of emergency preparedness called in a man taking photos of an intersection. So I get dispatched on this BS. I get their and this is a guy, in nice clothing, taking digital pictures, clearly documenting traffic, etc.. It was obviously a traffic study, and even if it wasn’t, who cares.

Me, being of a “minimal intrusion” type thinking when it comes to law enforcement, dumped this on my boss. I told him “Yea, the guy is taking photos, might be doing a traffic study. What exactly am I supposed to do?” The supervisor says “Just keep an eye on him.” So I waited about 30 seconds and said “He is just doing a traffic study.” and left.

People are so scared of their own shadows anymore.

“What’s with these cops?”

Another example of:
#1: You get what you pay for.
#2: Too many people who are education and have good logic skills refuse to do such a job for whatever reason.

Combine those two and society gets the law enforcement they basically ask for. I have made comments here in the past about hiring processes I have been in with departments that pay great, have great benefits, etc. and they only muster 130 people in a metro area with a population of over 1M. The future of law enforcement doesn’t look so good.

BRAVO! BRILLIANT! BEAUTIFUL!

The best-executed example of standing up for photographer’s rights I’ve seen to date.

Why is the video ‘unlisted’ in YouTube’s system? It deserves the widest possible exposure.

Also, being unlisted makes it seem like someone’s trying to hide something.

Well done Jerome!

If a DC photoprotest comes up I’d be interested; it’s much closer to NYC than Miami!

Roger #1, I agree with you.

Johnathan Doe #10, Yes, the ramp is on Google Street view – 432 10th St NW. There’s even someone that looks like a security guard pointing at the camera and shouting at someone.

There’s also another ramp on 422 9th St NW.

This is simply BEAUTIFUL! Well done!

The cop’s charge reminded me of a dog attacking a porcupine, getting a snootful and then trying to figure out how to undo the damage.

And that’s what most cops amount to: They get aggressive, pumped up, so sure of themselves that the don’t even think – then when their “prey” doesn’t try to flee, but instead stands up and says “magic words” that sound like a prelude to a lawsuit, suddenly that have to question whether they’re going to get a face full of quills. At that point, they become ineffective, confused, disoriented and unsure of their purpose. They babble and wobble. Hitting them once more with, “Am I being detained or am I free to go” is all it takes to collapse them completely.

BRAVO! Best of all, it’s all on video, available for everyone to view, learn from and emulate… FOREVER.

Have they ever heard of button cams? Our state patrol have used for years…this is like TSA: all show, pomp and circumstance but no real, gritty, true, research proven security.

Have they ever heard of button cams? Al qaida ain’t gonna be overt. Our state patrol have used for years…this is like TSA: all show, pomp and circumstance but no real, gritty, true, research proven security.

I’m not sure what they are attempting to prevent photography in “sensitive” areas. First of all, even if it is a sensitive area, there is no way you can prevent someone from filming that area inconspicuously. I could just park my car with tinted windows, snap off some photos from the inside and drive off. Do that a few more times over the day and I have cased the joint thoroughly. Or I could go to the next building over, go to the roof and start taking photos. Or I could go when it’s night time and with an dSLR get some nice photos.

Point being? You’re not going to prevent people who really have evil intentions from taking photos. If you really want to make sure your place isn’t targeted, you would do the exact opposite of what these cops are doing. You would draw LESS attention to yourself, pretend that the place is worthless.

Or if you really want a place to be private, don’t build it directly adjacent to a public road or sidewalk.

Carlos, your idea about going to DC is a good one. If you decide to go let me know if you would like some company or someone to split the cost. The idea of being in a city full of federal buildings takes me to my happy place.

Next time I go to D.C. (unlikely any time soon) I plan to leave my ID in my locked luggage at the hotel, or hotel safe or something so I can laugh at the thugs when I have no ID to hand over which no amount of them fondl…searching my body will find
Way to go Jerome!

FBI police? Never heard of same, what are thy, just glorified security guards? Any one know?

It’s the Lieutenant from the movie Under Siege, the one Steven Seagal said he wouldn’t get to see go through puberty.

Was she stopping him from taking this photo?

http://tinyurl.com/368vdxt

The situation where the guy in Maryland is dealing with the “wiretapping” charges got me thinking… would it be wise to inform a LEO that “this interaction is being recorded” when you are having a one on one interaction with a LEO and you start recording it?

Even though the issue of recording in a public right of way is in the limelight right now, I do believe letting the LEO know they are being recorded at the start of the recording may help avoid legal troubles… even are they are bullshit from the get go.

What do you all think?

“These times… we have all kinds of terrorist activity…”

STFU right there, pal. Photography isn’t one of the activities.

Watching the kid smack him with the “Am I being detained?” calmly and ruthlessly was lovely. Keep it up, kid.

(Also – is that a DALEK POLICE scooter I see? There’s a reason they always shriek “YOU WILL O-BEY ME!”)
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Joel,

I’ll definitely keep you in the loop about a trip to DC. The more I think about it, the more I like that idea.

Never bring your driver’s license with you if you’re not driving a car. That way, you don’t have ID to produce when they ask you for it.

Just remember, in some cases, when they start to lose the argument they will just beat the crap out of you.

michael #23, right building, wrong ramp. It’ on the other side.

Michaelk42 #25, I like it that Vorus weaved that cop’s statement into the narrative to ask if the suspected crime he’s being detained for is terrorism. When the cop said “no” Vorus kept pressing the cop to articulate whether Vorus had comitted a crime, currently commiting a crime, or about to comit a crime.

Think I figured out the gadget:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hoover+build...

Nutz, didn’t work.

@bgwillia

It’s almost like the cop started to dimly remember something about a “terry” and some sort of “stop” when the magic T-word didn’t work and the kid kept on him. Then he realized he just might be screwed and the kid might actually know the badge wasn’t magic, as well.

Yes, A+ on the narrative weaving, that’s a very good way to put it.
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A terry stop is a stop to search for weapons and must meet very specific requirements as to cause. Google this, you will find better coverage than I can give here. At no point does the cop appear have cause in this case.

A terry stop is a stop to search for weapons for officer safety and has very specific requirements. I do not think the cop had them, Google terry search, you will find better information than I can cover here.

Ups, sarry about that.

Wow, that kid was great, awesome pose, that pile of filth was getting frustrated that someone would not obey his authority without question. “Sensitive area,” hahaha! Oh to go to DC and photograph these muppets. I’d just keep taking their picture and say nothing. Maybe give them a business card stating my right to photograph and how they should go solve an actual crime. I was in Athens this summer, the cops actually asked if I wanted them to pose for me, no hassle at all, Amerika has a giant stick stuck up it’s arse.

FBI police, hmmm, never heard of them, are we sure he ain’t a trumped up rent a cop?

FBI police are federal uniformed police officers who patrol FBI facilities such as FBI HQ or their Quantico Academy. Secret Service and many other federal agencies have their own police departments. All the training is the same but they only have primary jurisdiction on federal property. I think they can still make arrests for felonies off property though.

“FBI police are federal uniformed police officers who patrol FBI facilities such as FBI HQ or their Quantico Academy. Secret Service and many other federal agencies have their own police departments. All the training is the same but they only have primary jurisdiction on federal property. I think they can still make arrests for felonies off property though.”

And shoot huskies for playing with their dog.

Is it really necessary to refer to someone as ‘that pile of filth’ just for being a jerk and a bully?

Props to Jerome for knowing exactly how to handle himself. Hopefully the officers involved will use this opportunity to educate themselves on the law.

But I doubt it.

John Howaed:

Yup, sher do. Them there bullyes don look filthy.

FBI, SS, Home Land Security etc all have there so called police. In reality they are nothing but security guards with big mouths and egos. Now I have had a run in with them a time or two, and I say the term ” a pile of filth” is a understatement. They need to change there shirts to brown and learn the goose step.

Outstanding. It can be very difficult sometimes to remain calm, courteous and polite in asserting your right to photograph when the police are acting assertively or belligerently.

I know…

An Attorney friend of mine (Tongue-in-Cheek) likens the shaking in my voice to “…the Founding Fathers channeling through you…”

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCdpDg_PJLY ]
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And props go to Roger for bringing up the Nazis!

Hey, you guys say I am annoying, just tiring to live up to the honer.

What the cop did was demonstrate that he couldn’t perform his duties at the skill level expected of him. Nothing malicious, just dunced out for a moment.

Actually, Dodge Ball, the skill level expectation is set pretty low for federal rent-a-pigs. Even so, this one failed to meet expectations.

Here’s another story for you Carlos. http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15772710?source=commented-

“Denver officials are deeply divided over the proper level of punishment for a police officer who was seen on video tackling and beating a 23-year-old man who was doing nothing but talking on a telephone outside a LoDo nightclub.” -Denver Post

Exactly what should the officer have done differently? He exercised his free speech when he asked for ID. The young man who knows his rights chose to say no. The officer did what he was supposed to do. He stopped questioning the person.
He didn’t get snotty or rude or try to intimidate the kid.When the kid chose to exercise his rights. HE was surprised. A citizen actually doing that is very rare. The Kid didn’t get snotty or rude when he said no. A activist Not getting snotty or rude with people is also very rare. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE POSTS BELOW>
I could understand calling him names if he tried to intimidate this kid or made some snotty remark . He didn’t.