Digital V Film?
It is a silly argument. Can't you see?
Pinhole camera image with a curved film plane
This should not be a battle. Everyone knows how convenient digital has become. But whether or not some decide to use film, should not be an argument. It is a choice for good reasons.
The images in the gallery above, are samples of my some of my personal work with film. I believe they show a few of the many things that film does very well without the aid of Photoshop or that you have to fake with digital. Digital does great things and so does film. I have included pinhole, contact prints on Van Dyke, square format, hand manipulated Polaroid and a shot taken with a Leica on Tri-X. Nothing above has been digitally manipulated. These images would not exist without the analog tools that made them possible. Imaging is about seeing and delivering a true expression of your vision. Photography is a language that uses, has used and will always use many tools.
I am a digital photographer who also has a history in film. I happen to love film as much as I love digital. I use them for different reasons. Digital is convenient and modern but film gives me some things that digital has yet to fulfill. I love old cameras and I love old processes. I am also excited by digital and have been creating with computers for several decades. I love imaging.
The Holga and Diana are only a few out of many reasons that some people still love to use film. For me, there are many others. I find it interesting that there are huge numbers of young photographers that have grown up on digital who are intent on learning about film. They seem to want to have the full experience that connects them with all of photography.
When I was at Kodak, I tried to look at all the things that film could do that digital could not do without some kind of computer manipulation. I found that film can do things like image on an curved surface. Film can also be used to capture 360˚ panoramas. In fact, I believe that in the future, we will find that digital will be flexible like film. There has been some amazing research in that area for at least ten years. While it may be true that most people are not using film, there are many things to be learned from what film can do.
There are many fake looks that can be accomplished with digital. You can create the look of a Holga or a Diana. You can make images look old, you can stitch panoramas, add depth of field with focus stacking, turn a color image into a black and white, produce what looks like film grain and create an endless variety of pretentious imagery.
What you can't get with digital is the authenticity that film gives you straight from the camera. No Photoshop, no fakery, no digital manipulation.
Creativity does not come packaged with any camera, digital or film. It doesn’t come with artistic filters or with endless shooting settings. It doesn’t come from a Leica or a Canon 7d. It doesn’t come with HDR or optical stabilization or any of the next amazing things out there.
Creativity comes from being able to see the world, not like everyone else, but by the creative ability to express what we see through our own unique vision. Uniqueness can come from following your own path, making your own decisions and choosing your own tools, being confident in your abilities and having a keen awareness of your subject. This should not be a battle between film or digital. The majority of people have already turned to digital because of all the reasons given above. There are many reasons that some one might want to play with film. If pleasure is one or if reaching back into history is another, so be it. Personally, I love all that imaging has to offer. I simply see that digital is one of the tools I can choose for the act of making a photograph. Film is another. There is a whole history of image making tools that have come and gone and in some cases have come back. I will say now, that digital at least as we know it, will be replaced with something even better at some point in the not too far off future.
Some day, our grandkids are going to ask us what digital was. Judging by the history of imaging, they too will be using a totally new breed of imaging tools to image their world. There will be those who resist and those who follow. Like myself there will be those who use both.
Let those who find artistic pleasure and creative satisfaction enjoy digital or film the way they see fit. Not everyone needs to have the latest and greatest to be creative. There are very talented artists both old and young working with ancient tools making incredible images. Who am I to stifle their efforts?
If anyone is going to ask the question why, please don’t tell us why not. Listen to why we like what we like.
Our job is to record, each in his own way, this world of light and shadow and time that will never come again exactly as it is today. - Edward Abbey
"This is the same problem I have with digital photography. The potential is always remarkable. But the medium never settles. Each year there is a better camera to buy and new software to download. The user never has time to become comfortable with the tool. Consequently too much of the work is merely about the technology. The HDR and QTVR fads are good examples. Instead of focusing on the subject, users obsess over RAW conversion, Photoshop plug-ins, and on and on. For good work to develop the technology needs to become as stable and functional as a typewriter." - Alec Soth
"Photography has not changed since its origin except in its technical aspects, which for me are not important. " - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"Leica, schmeica. The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But you have to see." - Ernst Haas
"I am sure the next step will be the electronic image, and I hope I shall live to see it. I trust that the creative eye will continue to function, whatever technological innovations may develop." - Ansel Adams
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Digital V Film...It's a silly argument.
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Comments
Great post!!!!
Thank you - Mr. Meadows.
I love film as well. I've finally reached acceptance that digital can equal 35mm, but I'm holding out for medium format.
That said, I disagree that film captures everything at the moment of shutter release, with no manipulation. It's interesting that you quote Ansel Adams, who manipulated the hell out of his images, starting with shutter/aperature settings and film speeds and over/under exposure, not to mention lens filters. And he wrote volumes about how to manipulate in the darkroom.
I love film. I don't think anything will ever capture the detail of 8x10 B&W at ASA 64 or below.
But, like Adams, I hope to live long enough to see it.
I wrote, "What you can't get with digital is the authenticity that film gives you straight from the camera. No Photoshop, no fakery, no digital manipulation."
Any decent camera digital or film can capture the image in front of the lens. Shutter speeds and apertures are your controls. You have to use them. Ansel had to use them. We all have to use them.
You can manipulate anything you like. Out of the camera, film has legitimate grain. It has a film look. You don't have to fake it. It is already there.
Good post John! I am glad to see a diversity of viewpoints on this site! I use both film and digital, but I believe (for me at least) one technical advancement, namely autofocus, often slows me down! Now of course AF predated digital by a number of years so it's not a digital vs. film thing, but an example of how technology can get in the way.
On my old film cameras (e.g. a NIkkormat or Nikon FM). for a lot of shooting I can put a wide-angle lens on the camera, pick a medium aperture such as f8, and set the focus using hyperfocal distance so that everything from a few feet out to infinity will be in focus.
With an autofocus lens, I often find myself struggling with the focus points.
Again, not a digital vs. film thing, but a simplicity vs. complexity thing.
All you need is what you need to get the picture. Nothing else.
The subject is most important.
Simplicity and simpleminded are not the same thing.
Digital is wonderful but so is film.
I don't really get the distinction between images from digital or images from film. They're both images. Both mediums can reveal some sort of "what you see is what you get" image. Both mediums can be manipulated to be something different than seen with the human eye.
With film you can manipulate the polaroid as it develops, or use film with the "wrong" color balance or develop it in the "wrong" chemicals and do all sorts of manipulation in the dark room. Some film has more grain than others, and what not. There are different techniques with digital.
I just don't see how it's helpful to label film as authentic and digital as fake. If the final image has "grain" in it.... what difference does it make if it's film or digital.
Anything can be manipulated.
But that is not my point. If you make a digital image look like a film image, you have to fake it. You apply grain or you use a plug-in or a number of methods. It is possible to produce a likeness to a Polaroid, a Holga image or a Diana image in Photoshop. You can fake a pinhole or an out of focus image or a tilt shift in Photoshop. With Photoshop, it is possible to make an image that looks like a collodion or a Van Dyke or a Kodachrome. You can create any look you want in Photoshop. And when you do so, you are faking it. You are simulating, forging, imitating, or counterfeiting. It is artificial and misleading. Except that it might confuse the viewer, I don't see much wrong with doing it. However, it is still a fake.
Film processed as it was meant to be is original, genuine, authentic, and actual. It is the real thing. No fakery, no Photoshop, no digital manipulation. It looks like film because it is film.
I think the word "fake" is pretty loaded, as it does imply an intent to deceive. I think a fairer term is imitation or simulation, and as such I believe the creator of the image has a responsibility to indicate how the image is created.
Part of the problem I think is that for so many people, photographs (regardless of the process used to create them) are only experienced on a computer monitor of some sort. Viewing images in a relatively low-res, typically small scale version acts as a leveller, as the differences between analog and digital images tend to not be very apparent.
I wish more people could experience photographs by looking at a properly created print;I believe there would be a renewed appreciation of analog processes as a result.
John,
If you go to a gallery such as the Eastman House, and actually see the images created with film or digital, you will see a tremendous variety of image styles. For me, it is amazing to see old images especially. For me, it is the variations in cameras, processes and craftsmanship that gave the images their presence.
I think you are right about most people excepting the images as seen on a computer screen. It is like seeing a painting in a book rather than experiencing, as it really exists. The subtleties and the tones and the things that draw you into the experience of viewing actual images are what most people are missing. For me, to really see and understand an image, one needs to look at it up close first hand, the way it was intended to be seen.
Even digital images are better when viewed at scale with the real detail and real colors. It is a much more satisfying experience.
At least, the computer can show us the things that we should try to see if we get a chance to view the real thing.
Most of my first experiences with images were from books and now the computer. But every chance I get, I go to a gallery to look at what I missed. I am always surprised to see that what appeared as a 1"x2" image in the book or on screen is actually 30X60 inches or larger or maybe it is actually 1"x2". The experience is totally different. Chuck Close is a good example of a painter who uses photographs to create his ten foot high paintings of faces. most books that show his work can't begin to create the first hand experience of one of his paintings. On a computer screen at 72 dpi it is even less effective.
Of all the places I go, it is the gallery setting that I find most influential and inspiring. For me it is where you can really experience the image in the moment and almost feel the presence of the creator. The computer experience is not the same.
The computer tends to bring everything down to the same level. Paintings by Monet, a photograph by Atget or Adams, ads for a camera, a car or an iPod all get the same treatment. There is no scale no texture, little fidelity and no authenticity. The experience becomes homogenized, mundane, uninspiring and as a result short-lived and lifeless.
I agree that seeing a real print makes a huge difference, whether it's film or digital. I had some digital images in a show here in Toronto recently, and seeing one on the wall at 20 x 24 or bigger changed the experience entirely.
I agree. It's a silly argument.
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