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Hehehe, silly hippies

I’m a bit of a tree-hugger myself, but this seems silly. The Act itself defines wilderness as a place “where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.” It doesn’t say “no pictures, please” and it certainly doesn’t ban visitors.

I am not a lawyer but it seems clear that the Act itself makes a distinction between “commercial enterprise” and “commercial service.” Section 4(d)(6) says “Commercial services may be performed within the wilderness areas designated by this Act to the extent necessary for activities which are proper for realizing the recreational or other wilderness purposes of the areas.” That’s very broad; surely documentary photography falls within the scope of such a statement.

What ever happened to “Take only pictures, leave only footprints?”

You know, I think there’s a bit of difference between a photographer hiking in and taking pictures and a “film crew” with trucks, generators, lighting, and everything else that entails.

That would be my definition of ‘intrusive filming’, anyway.

This is the first I heard of this and I shoot a lot of film in the forests. No has ever said any thing to me, but I am normally alone and I avoid others when I am shooting. This said, this has got to be the dumbest ever. They been drinking the bong water again?

They’re obviously afraid that those cameras will steal the souls of the trees.

Photon depletion is an environmental hazard.

The worry is that camera crew for movies will destroy the wilderness by rolling their equipment on trees and stuff. Filming a movie can be destructive to the surroundings. I don’t think this law is intended to stop hikers/backpackers from photography with their dSLRs.

I’ve done some research on this issue over time.

Basically “commercial photography” needs a permit and other photography doesn’t. So we get back to what defines commercial photography. Most of the time it comes down to the size of the crew you have and if people are getting paid for producing the photography.

I’ve seen the “Outdoor Idaho” show a couple of times and have been in the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness. “Outdoor Idaho” probably uses at least 4 man “crew”. Camera operator, sound man, producer, actor/host as a minimum. Everything I’ve read by the NPS says that because they have more than a camera operator , assistant and 1 actor/model they constitute a comercial crew. They were trying not to prevent wedding photography in the parks but in some cases are. You also can’t take exclusive use of an area by prevent others from entering or telling them to leave an area.

If you are working alone you aren’t breaking any rules unless you are taking photos of a product to sell.

I would think that Ansel Adams had some assistants but he was making art photos and wasn’t trying to sell a product so his work is perfectly legal.

I do know someone that got some flap at Ellis Island because he had a large format camera. Most of the time the people that you see in uniforms are volunteers and don’t know all the rules. The ‘real’ rangers have guns or at least badges, that’s the one sure way to know the difference.
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I normally use a view camera ( 4×5 min, 8×10 often) and I do sell the results when possible. The only problems I have had were with punks who wanted to steal my equipment and, as I am always armed, that has not happened. It is remarkable the effect a S&W 357 has.

I’m still shocked you have no public comment about Judge Fernandez’ appointment to the Eleventh Judicial Circuit Court by Gov. Crist, the very same court that overturned his decision against you.

This is the first I hear about that

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I just can’t quit laughing about the absurdity of this… I keep thinking back to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8R1ruzIgk

I am all for protecting the environment, but there is such a thing as taking a good thing entirely too far. These people are nuts.

Yes, this does happen. I have never harmed a person and do not want to, but you do what you must.

Glad he is out, this is, and was, completely out of line. But what is with the cell phone? Are they using it to trace his contacts and tap them? Do they intend to watch and harass them? Keeping a list of wrong thinking people?
NYPD needs jack boots and brown shirt’s. Seig Hile!

“At least one member of the Student Conservation Association trail crew filmed by the “Outdoor Idaho” crew in late May objected to appearing on camera, on grounds it violated the wilderness ethos.”

That problem could be solved very easily. Just tell the student who doesn’t want to be filmed..

“OK. No Problem. Just sit over there and keep quiet. As of now you’re no longer a member of the Student Conservation Association, so guess what? You don’t have to worry now about being filmed.. Do You!!?”

Problem Solved.

Rail Car Fan

I think wygit brings up a very important point. If anybody reading this has ever seen a real film crew in action, you know that it’s practically a military-sized operation with convoys of huge trucks and smaller support vehicles (which are still pretty big vans) running between them. Also as wygit said, they have generators and set up huge lights and, if you ask me (coming from someone who lives in a town with fairly frequent film crew traffic), generally make a mess of the place. So, I can understand not wanting to have a Hollywood-level film production going on in the forests, but barring all film altogether is just ridiculous.

You guys who are worried about truck and equipment in wilderness areas, it simply isn’t allowed. There aren’t even any roads. Mechanized vehicles, including bicycles, and presumably camera rigs are banned. Basically anything with a wheel is banned. It is strictly carry it in, carry it out, so anything that does go on is going to be strictly small scale.

Last week, devastated mountain peak in Oregon and announced a plan to prevent forest fires through more active management and thinning. Other

What? Would it be too much to ask for a little sentence structure?

other is a spammer.
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Greenies are not pro-environment so much as anti-capitalism. This is why they have the view you found.