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Alex Jones says it very well. I have been to that memorial, and it is very much open to the public. Where they were filming, they had to pay to get into, because it is part of the museum. I have shot photos there, and before I asked them. They said I was free to shoot all the photos I want.

That is the national World War I museum.

And, no. Those guards don’t have any arrest powers.

Guilt by association? Seriously? There are just so many things wrong with that.
“Arrest Powers”? Yeah, right. If you believe that then I have a nice bridge to sell you. I’d love to see them actually try to arrest someone.

there’s a lot of debate about whether or not the FRB-LEO are federal LEO or just “guards” with a different name.

A lot of the confusion is caused by the FRBLEOs themselves, as they seem to think that there’s somehow nothing fishy about being “FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT” without being “A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE”

As far as i can tell, they do have arrest powers, but only on the property, and under most circumstances, only then for FELONIES. However, if the FRB branch they are at sends them on an errand or something, they can carry their firearms and make arrests outside of the building.

It changed in 2008 where they became FLETA Accredited with their training (which doesn’t really mean anything) – and also in the patriot act, where the FRB changed their name to Law Enforcment Officer/Professional from the semantic equivalent of “Security Guard”

Doesn’t make sense? Don’t worry, i say confused for hours over this, reading different LEOs argue about semantics and the legality of this and that.

Oh well.

Carlos, where did you catch this story? PP dot Com?

Genewitch,

Someone left a link in one of the comment threads is how I came across this story.

Well here is the info on these federal reserve cops:

USC TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER II § 248. Enumerated powers:

(q) Uniform protection authority for Federal reserve facilities
(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, to authorize personnel to act as law enforcement officers to protect and safeguard the premises, grounds, property, personnel, including members of the Board, of the Board, or any Federal reserve bank, and operations conducted by or on behalf of the Board or a reserve bank.
(2) The Board may, subject to the regulations prescribed under paragraph (5), delegate authority to a Federal reserve bank to authorize personnel to act as law enforcement officers to protect and safeguard the bank’s premises, grounds, property, personnel, and operations conducted by or on behalf of the bank.
(3) Law enforcement officers designated or authorized by the Board or a reserve bank under paragraph (1) or (2) are authorized while on duty to carry firearms and make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States committed or being committed within the buildings and grounds of the Board or a reserve bank if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony. Such officers shall have access to law enforcement information that may be necessary for the protection of the property or personnel of the Board or a reserve bank.
(4) For purposes of this subsection, the term “law enforcement officers” means personnel who have successfully completed law enforcement training and are authorized to carry firearms and make arrests pursuant to this subsection.
(5) The law enforcement authorities provided for in this subsection may be exercised only pursuant to regulations prescribed by the Board and approved by the Attorney General.

I haven’t looked the regulations in Chapter 5. But I’d say they are operating outside what they are allowed to do.

I complained about this to the Director of Parks and Recreation for Kansas City, MO. I’m sure he isn’t aware that these guys are entering the park and harassing citizens using the park in a normal and customary manner. The directors name is Mark L. McHenry and his email is Parks@kcmo.org. I also sent a complaint off to the bank.

So Mr. Miller when Alex Jones is talking about the trampling of the first amendment he is “rambling and ranting”? but when you are bitching about what happened to you, you are the leader of freedom? I don’t get it, Alex Jones is a good man yet it feels like you have something against him with that statement.

Arrest powers? I have arrest powers too. Any citizen does. As a guideline though, if you decide to step in, would the crime result in over a year in jail? So yeah, arrest powers? Go for it, Rent-A-Cop.

Hazy,

I save my rambling and ranting for my articles.

If I have a video that demonstrates bullying and/or intimidation tactics, I get right to it.

Three minutes is way too long to introduce the main subject matter of the video.

It’s a matter of smart video editing.

He is trying to explain the video with context in regards to the strengthening police state. A lot of his viewers are new to the freedom movement and this helps explain things to those people.

He also didn’t make the video for your sole use, he made it for his own show. Don’t you find it hypocritical to use his video and then have disagreement with the way he films it?

Three minutes of a talking head is boring. I don’t care who it is.

No, Hazy,

What I find hypocritical is people who support free speech but then get all bent out of shape when other people voice their honest opinions.

The video would be more effective if you show the scene and explain the context later.

That’s just video editing 101.

Yup, at most 30 or 40 seconds to intro it, what, where, why, when and that’s it. He turned lots of people off before they even saw the video so they stopped watching before the video.

But if your purpose is to show that Alex Jones’ rambling is the most important thing and the world revolves around him he did an excellent job.

To CM:

Your defense is weak. You want people to take all your opinions without getting “bent out of shape” but you get upset when someone calls you out on something?

Maybe you can give him a lesson on video editing when you have released half of what he has made.

No Hazy,

I merely recommended to my readers that they start the video at 3:00 because everything Jones talked about are things I talk about on daily basis.

So my readers don’t have to educated on fundamental freedoms.

Just because I recommended this doesn’t mean they have to listen to me. The video is there in its entirety so people can do what they want with it.

But my post is about the incident that took place, not about putting Alex Jones on a platform.

Obviously, he doesn’t need any more help in that regard.

Fair enough, keep up the good fight then.

The first ones weren’t FED cops…they work for the park.

Those were park guards, not fed reserve police.

Someone should have done their homework and looked up the Federal Reserve Police patch on Wikipedia and seen that the officers in the first video were NOT Federal Reserve Police Officers. I don’t know who they worked for but they are not very knowledgeable.

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

Good work Q, only one that picked up on that! Jeez! Just for information, not for the sake of an arguement, the premises at the Liberty Memorial is private property open to the public, just like Wal-Mart. They want ya to leave, you leave. It is in the works to be a public park, but that has yet to be done.

Go FUCK yourself you self righteous fuck!

Joe Momma,

Do your bosses at the federal reserve know you are leaving such comments?

Your IP address gives your employer away.

Note to Joe Momma: If you’d like to make the point that somebody is acting in a “self righteous” manner, then you should demonstrate this. Focus on specific facts, where possible.

It’s O.K. to offer suggestions as well. However, the specific suggestion that you’ve made in this case is the kind that’ll lead people to support your opponent. People are naturally biased towards their own “side”, whatever the “side” may be. However, if they perceive that somebody is unintelligent, they don’t want to identify with him. People are likely to see you as unintelligent now. They won’t be comfortable identifying with you.

I doubt he’ll be back. Perhaps you need to mail the whois on that IP off to the Fed Res Board and ask if this is permissible use of a Fed Res Computer.

“If a nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill the same thing that makes the bond good makes the bill good they r both backed by the future productivity of the people” Thomas Jefferson. Folks The fed has a magick money machine & were all in debt TO THEM a private bank! So yea thoes crooks probably dont want u taking their pictures.

WOW…….all this and nothing really of substance? So take pictures of a building….how captivating. I really don’t understand all the hoop-la. IT’s the Federal Reserve….of course they are going to have some sort of protective services….last I heard they have millions if not billions of dollars laying around? As a retired military veteran, if I saw someone filming any location that may be a soft or a hard target I am gonna ask them some questions myself because I am a concerned citized of the U.S. This is all nonsense when you get right down to it. Why not go take film of something that really matters? Why not find a solution to whatever you’re complaining about rather than just complain? If you’re not part of the solution – you’re part of the problem.

Tracy,

So as a concerned citized(sic.) and a retired military veteran you don’t have a problem with someone having the rights granted to them by the Constitution of the USA violated? I’m just wondering because that’s the issue here. It really is a big deal.

Why not go take film of something that really matters? If this doesn’t matter than why are you willing to allow someones rights to be violated to stop it?

These people were on property where taking photos and videos is allowed and is normal and customary behaviour. It is a form of protected speech to photograph and film that which can be observed from a place like this. You know how I know that. The Supreme Court of the USA and many other circuit courts said so, that’s how I know it.

Didn’t you, as part of your military service take an oath where you swore to uphold the Constitution of the USA?