FYI - Film V Digital

Something crazy to think about!

"There is a creative fraction of a second when you are taking a picture. Your eye must see a composition or an expression that life itself offers you, and you must know with intuition when to click the camera. That is the moment the photographer is creative," he said. "Oop! The Moment! Once you miss it, it is gone forever." - Henri Cartier-Bresson

 


 

From a guy that loves both, here is a way to think about shooting film V digital. There is a difference that can be addressed with either film or digital.

Film - insert film, advance film, remove lens cap, set aperture and shutter, focus, compose and shoot.

The decisive moment...a great image captured!

What you do afterward with the image depends on the success of the capture. if you really know your camera and your subject you should be confident in your success. 

 


 

Digital - insert battery, insert card, remove lens cap, set aperture or shutter to manual or auto, select auto focus or manual focus, set color temperature or white balance, decide to use image stabilization or no stabilization, use live view or TLR, decide on focus method, guess depth of field, are we shooting High Dynamic Range or not? What aperture is best? Flash settings- OMG? File format - Jpeg or RAW? What size? P, Av, Tv, Sv, TAv, M or B? Fill or no fill? ISO? Aperture? Shutter speed? Dynamic range? Lens correction? What program setting? HDR capture? Bracketing? How many stops or EV's? Movie? Both? Live view? Electronic level? Color space? EV steps? Sensitivity? AE Lock and AF Lock? One push bracketing? bracketing order? WB and flash? And so on...

And so on...

Too many decisions...OMG!!!

 

Moment lost...goodbye great image.

 

OR, you can put it all on Automatic and let the camera do it all.

Goodbye great image.

 


 

My point...

...is really about using any camera film or digital. If you are constantly fussing around with your camera, you will be less likely to capture that decisive moment.

With any camera you should think ahead. Always be prepared for the kind of subject you are trying to capture. Anticipate your subject. Concentrate on the now. Know that your camera is ready for this subject. Make appropriate decisions about lighting and aperture, ISO and WB as you begin to realize that there is a shooting situation at hand. Prepare the camera before you encounter your subject. Do everything possible to be ready ahead of time. See the whole image. Be ready! Look at your subject. Study it. Compose your picture. Watch for that moment and shoot!

Don't let the huge number of digital choices get the best of you. Use them for creative advantage.

 

Note:   I realize that there are many decisions that need to be made for film as well. I am not out to trash digital.

I happen to be an expert in digital imaging. I am an expert because because I love the technology. I teach it. I practice it. I write about it.  But there are some things that photographers need to pay attention to when they shoot with any photographic medium.

The most important thing is the subject. If you are not ready when the subject presents itself to your camera, you can kiss your image goodbye.

 

Please read my other articles regarding film and digital as well as HDR and other topics on Pixiq.com.


 

   

Comments

There are digital cameras that approximate your description of film cameras. Most of my digital work is shot with a Leica M8, and I have no idea what any of this means "P, Av, Tv, Sv, TAv." Whatever it means I'm sure it's good, but it's not necessary for digital photography.

John Neel
Pixiq Expert

The beauty of the M8, is that it has the controls of a film camera. You basically use it the same way you would use an older film Leica. All of your controls are located where they need to be. Another great thing about your camera is that it is discrete in size. It is a great camera for street photography.

The controls you refer to are the shutter/aperture choices for aperture priority, shutter priority. manual, etc.

What a silly comparison. You could insert just as much on the film side of things.

Take camera, open film canister, open back of camera, insert canister, pull tab, spend a minute carefully hooking it on the little advance prongs, remove lens cap, choose mode, continuous or singular focusing?, continuous or singular shutter?, set aperture, press depth of field preview button to see if you like it, set shutter speed, realize you can't use the shutter you want because you packed in high ISO film, screw on colored CTO filter to compensate for the lighting, read light meter, flash or no flash?, choose focus point, take picture, adjust shutter speed, take picture again in case exposure was off on the last one, go to lab, rewind film to canister, take canister out, go in dark darkroom, use can opener to open the canister, try to hook it on reel, spend a long time reeling the film up, put in a light sealed container, go to chemicals, look up developing time for your film, look up stop bath time for your film, look up fixer time for your film, realize your chemicals are almost empty and prepare some more (THAT'S ANOTHER 20 STEPS), pour developer into container, spend 10 minutes agitating, drain developer, pour in stop bath, spend more time agitating, drain stop bath, pour in fixer, spend more time agitating, drain fixer, rinse film thoroughly, put film up to dry, wait a while, carefully cut film into small strips, go to darkroom, load negative into enlarger, turn on enlarger, adjust focus on enlarger, adjust frame size of enlarger, adjust focus again because you changed the size, unpack photo paper, cut a small strip of photo paper off, block sections of the strip and expose it, block sections of the strip and expose it, block sections of the strip and expose it, good job now you have a test strip, go in the light and examine strip, pick a favorite exposure length, go back in darkroom and insert contrast filter because you think it needs it, block sections of the strip and expose it, block sections of the strip and expose it, pick another favorite exposure because of your contrast filter, put down photographic paper, expose the photographic paper, agitate paper in developer, agitate paper in stop bath, agitate paper in fixer, rinse paper, put paper up to dry, take out your paper. The decisive moment, a great image captured!

Now you have one image from a film camera. One. I left out how complicated a studio set would get if you need to use light meters combined with flashes (that's a few pages of writing?) or if you want to burn your final image. I also left out how much fun it is you clean your negatives because some dust crept in while you were drying. Or hell, maybe your picture didn't come out at all since film doesn't exactly give you a histogram.

It's cool if you like film, but don't make up straw man arguments. And before you say "but darkroom work doesn't count!" I'd like to point out three things:
1. The list for film is already as long as the list for digital minus the darkroom.
2. Darkroom work is a part of getting an image in film but not in digital. Furthermore it's a process which can very easily lose your picture. It's a part of the picture and that's that, especially if you want to adjust how it looks as digital shooters do.
3. You included some post-processing steps on your digital list, which is the equivalent of darkroom work for digital. Fair is fair.

But I do see where you're going with this, I just think you're approaching it from the wrong direction. Retitle the article "I don't like computers" and be done with it.

Right on! Nailed it on the head there. ;)

John Neel
Pixiq Expert

"There is a creative fraction of a second when you are taking a picture. Your eye must see a composition or an expression that life itself offers you, and you must know with intuition when to click the camera. That is the moment the photographer is creative," he said. "Oop! The Moment! Once you miss it, it is gone forever." - Henri Cartier-Bresson

John Neel
Pixiq Expert

Mr./ Ms vwllss has missed my point.

A photographer should spend more time looking at his subject and less time fussing with his camera.

My comparison was for taking a picture, which happens to be the most important part of creating a photograph. I don't care if you are using film or digital, if you missed the shot, you missed the shot and there is really no reason to go any further. What happens after taking the picture is captured depends on the success of the capture.

The point I am making is that cameras have become more complex and therefore more confusing to many users. There are more choices than ever. People are spending too much time making those decisions instead of concentrating on the moment at hand. If I know my film and my camera or if I can be prepared with my digital camera by anticipating my subject and setting the camera up ahead of time, I can spend my time looking, seeing and capturing my subject. It is always the shot that matters most.

I never mentioned anything about darkroom work and everything I mentioned in my post was regarding shooting decisions and not post processing.

I do see film as a viable source for digital output. That is what scanners are for. I will admit that darkroom work is an option but it is not a necessity these days.

Why take another shot if you already know you have it. Confidence in your technique, your camera and your exposure should be all you need. The decisive moment is the decisive moment. A split second usually means a great shot or not. You probably will no get a second chance. If you are not ready because you are messing around with your camera, you will miss it completely.

I would rather have the one great photograph taken with any camera digital or film than a hundred mediocre shots because I missed the opportunity while trying to decide what settings to make.

I am a digital photographer (computer nut) that still sees benefits in shooting and learning what I can from both film and digital.

It is too bad vwllss, completely missed my point. I really hope you and all the other photographers reading this aren't missing all of those decisive moments. And, I really hope that your subject hasn't run away while you're sifting through all those ever increasing digital choices.

Think ahead and be prepared!

Silly me!

"There is a creative fraction of a second when you are taking a picture. Your eye must see a composition or an expression that life itself offers you, and you must know with intuition when to click the camera. That is the moment the photographer is creative," he said. "Oop! The Moment! Once you miss it, it is gone forever." - Henri Cartier-Bresson

And you missed my point, I guess you didn't read the whole thing. You included a lot of "fluff" on the digital side that not only exists for film but isn't necessary. Furthermore you included some post-processing steps which are the equivalent of darkroom work (color space, fill, HDR)

Let's rip some apart step by step.. you mention "manual or auto" on digital but not on film, and most film SLRs support Av or Tv. You mention choose autofocus or manual on digital but most film SLRs support autofocus these days. You mention setting the white balance, and film users would have to carry lots of screw-on filters to compensate. If you don't care about white balance then digital shooters can leave it on auto while film shooters carry no glass. Image stabilization doesn't exist on most lenses (none of mine!) and is something you can leave off most of the time. HDR is not something that begins to go into most people's heads, it's a tool that is simply available. Deciding what aperture to use? You do that on film as well. Honestly, I don't want to finish, but the fact you post a few of them twice is telling for how hard you wanted to fill space.

My point is that you can add extraneous fluff to either side, and the lack of immediate review on film makes you much more likely to mess up a shot permanently.

This article is complete crap.. It is totally film bias I think you left out a TON of "cons" about film and really really trashed Digital. The age of digital has already taken over, and millions can stand with me to say that is the most efficient way of photography.. Don't get left in the dust

John Neel
Pixiq Expert

Complete crap - You too are missing the point. The article is about paying attention to the subject and not your camera. Digital seems to require a lot of choices and therefore demands attention when you really need to pay attention to the subject.

If you read my post, you would realize that I love digital. I have been doing digital since it started.

I am not out to trash digital or film. Yes there are cons with film. But there are also cons with digital that confuse many potential camera users.

If you are getting those great shots and feel that you are catching the decisive moment you are probably doing better than most. There thousands of people that have not achieved your level of expertise because they are confused about when to use what.

My Point is that capturing the moment is difficult enough without the confusing choices that photographers have to make.

I am really talking about using any camera - film or digital. If you are constantly fussing around with your camera, you will be less likely to capture that decisive moment.

My advice as stated above, "With any camera you should think ahead. Always be prepared for the kind of subject you are trying to capture. Anticipate your subject. Concentrate on the now. Know that your camera is ready for this subject. Make appropriate decisions about lighting and aperture, ISO and WB as you begin to realize that there is a shooting situation at hand. Prepare the camera before you encounter your subject. Do everything possible to be ready ahead of time. See the whole image. Be ready! Look at your subject. Study it. Compose your picture. Watch for that moment and shoot!

Don't let the huge number of digital choices get the best of you. Use them for creative advantage."

You can call it crap if you like, but it is good advice for anyone shooting pictures. Take it or leave it. It is not crap.

John, I've read both your articles and as a photographer for over 50 years I've made hundreds of thousands of photos on film and less than 50,000 on digital. Film and digital have different "looks" and what looks right one may not look right for the other. I can say I agree with you 100%, great articles!

Over the past few days I've been going through all my film cameras and darkroom equipment trying to decide what to keep and what to sell. I'll keep one enlarger and some processing equipment, a Minolta Maxxum film camera and one Minolta MF camera along with a set of lenses for each. I'm using a Sony a300 DSLR and all the Maxxum lenses fit it. I've got a 60+ year old 4x5 Speed Graphic which I'll sell. I was thinking about selling my Kiev 88 MF system but now after reading what you've said, I"ll keep it and start using it again every now and then. I used the Kiev for making hundreds H.S. senior portraits and dozens of weddings from 1995 to 2005 and it still works very well. It's worth very little on the used camera market but even so the 30mm fisheye lens is outstanding and worth keeping just for that alone.

John Neel
Pixiq Expert

Thanks Jerry,
Most of my film images are digitized these days. The computer has been my film darkroom. With the right scans, the images have the grain I love to see and the resolution. Digital is wonderful. Film is just another choice I have. Any camera digital or film is only worth what you do with it.
John

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