Pixiq

this video offended my delicate sensibilities. The fucking police aren’t “curse word police” – i’ll never understand why cussing at a badged member always gets you harassed.

And i figured you’d get around to posting this eventually.

Let the dregs of the gene pool die if they can’t communicate without grunting “like” or “fuck” every four words.

Don’t plead for my help while you curse me.

darwin: many studies have been done on the use of “four letter words” and they’ve found that the most colorful people who use the language like that can actually communicate more effectively to their audiences than english majors in college.

Language is merely a tool. common human decency, especially from a dispatcher who is TRAINED to handle emotional situations is what is being discussed here.

So she said “fuck” multiple times. the “dregs” of society deserve medical attention the same as idiots who use “Darwin” as their nickname on random blogs on the internet.

For shame, sir. for shame.

“The uniquely human facility for swearing evolved and persists because taboo words can communicate emotion information (anger, frustration) more readily than nontaboo words, allowing speakers to achieve a variety of personal and social goals with them (utility).”

HRR DRR EVOLVED!
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122247011/abstract?CRETRY=1&S...

I can’t tell if you’re a troll, but if your goal was to seriously aggravate me, you win. nothing pisses me off more than a pseudo-intellectual who posits horseshit and tells you it’s jasmine perfume. Hit the books, “Darwin” – it’s obvious you don’t know the first thing about A) Language B) human nature or C) Stressful situations and responses.

May you be struck mute during your frantic call to 911 in the future.

If you were anything other than a hack passing yourself off as a journalist while cannibalizing videos off YouTube, you’d do some actual work and investigate what happened here. Not to mention a matter that is nearly a year old is not news. Not to mention this incident has nothing to do with photography.

Some facts you conveniently overlooked in your rush to cop bash:

The criminal charges against the girl are still open and remain so until 2011.

The girl later admitted lying to the police when she claimed she was home when she found the father on the floor. She was not home and the father was not lying on the floor.

The girl had a history of false 911 calls.

Video from the police station showed she did not mention her father when she came to the police station but instead began screaming and demanding Sgt. McFarland’s termination. She physically assaulted several officers. Why hasn’t that video been posted here since it was made available to the public eight months ago?

And the biggest fact of all you overlooked: Sgt. Robert McFarland was later cleared of the accusations and his pay was restored.

Of course the last laugh is on Carlos Miller. How much have you spent on your pathetic criminal case? How much time do you waste on this website trying to bash cops?

You are a loser tool with an anger management problem who does not respect authority. Rather than admit you were wrong when you were arrested, you disgrace yourself over and over and over in public.

By the way Carlos Miller, you’ll soon be hearing from the IRS about your failure to report “donations” to your “legal defense fund” as income. That shows how stupid you are — you repeatedly insult the police, then openly make money on this website through “donations” without reporting it as income.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUniYFNg4vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAzdkuZzO0I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMP0toS1ocU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9WiX-Bu5GA

To Darwin (Post #3)

I don’t think that deciding who should survive and who should be left to die is in the job description of an EMS dispatcher. If I am not mistaken their job is to gather information and to send the appropriate help. While the young lady doesn’t sound very pleasant or polite, even obnoxious teenagers have emergencies too.

Perhaps the call taker should have sent someone out to the residence to see what was actually going on. If it was unfounded then taken action based on an actual investigation instead of assuming because someone swore the situation was not real or serious.

There are some interesting First Amendment issues in this situation too. Swear in a crisis situation, get arrested. Apparently the police and dispatchers are now the arbiters of appropriate language in an emergency.

@The Truth

You have any actual cites on what you claim?

Anything at all?

Nice vague threats from an anonymous clown at the end there, too.

George, did you create a new handle? It’s interesting that someone claiming to be “The Truth” would make such assertions without supporting them. Let’s see some evidence there, truthie-boi.

Odd how he/she/it believes that stories about bad cops are representative of all police, isn’t it? Nice threat & ad hominems, though. real creative.

TheTruth #5

I went searching for the things you mentioned, but can’t find any facts int he case that support you. Can you post some links to back yourself up?

While looking though, I did read several articles stating that Officer MacFarlan was given a two week suspension, with pay, for his actions and also swearing at the girl. While these comments are many, no official websites post this.

Can you erase these accusations that he was punished for his actions?

What kind of “delicate sensibilities” applauds someone who can’t compose a straight answer without the words “fuck” or “fucking” in it?

As angry as she was, after the first call, she should’ve realised that it wasn’t her situation that caused the officer to refuse assistance, but the abusive language she used.

People who don’t have enough consideration to not pollute conversations with foul language should learn that not everyone appreciates being cussed at. It’s abusive, it’s demeaning and it’s uncalled for in any situation. There are so many other ways to express frustration, desperation and anger without verbally abusing other people.

@whatever:

First off, as I’ve pointed out before, when she said “Fuck!” the first time, as far as she was aware, no one could hear her, it was merely an expression of frustration. When the officer answers, she asks for an ambulance in a rather polite and straight-forward way, at which point he tells her off and hangs up on her. Her language before that point was not “abusive”, since it was not intended or expected to be heard by anyone!

Secondly, after telling her not to use foul language, the cop uses foul and DELIBERATELY abusive language toward her. Now who is more in the wrong here, a frustrated teen who is being refused help for her father because she was overheard expressing her frustration through foul language, or the so-called professional who was refusing to do his job, refusing medical attention to someone and verbally abusing a teen girl because he happened to overhear her use a single foul word?

Who is this “Truth” you guys keep referring to?

I don’t see anybody here by that name.

Carlos I believe they are referring to “The Lie” post #5 (lost sarcasm).

He is the guy shooting his mouth off, but backing nothing up. He is a troll, or cop, probably both because he is obviously an ass.

Obviously, somebody’s not above a bit of snark here… (Not that I blame him)

If carlos is using the donations to either support this site or pay court costs directly from the paypal account (which is possible with credit/debit cards) – then there’s no gain of income and he wouldn’t have to claim it.

Regarding the tax treatment of gifts, no one here has posted anything that resembles how it really works. Typical internet types spouting off like they know something whenthey obviously don’t. Classic.

“Who is this “Truth” you guys keep referring to?

I don’t see anybody here by that name.”

You are so clever. It must be nice being able to edit posts you don’t agree with. The Lie is the Truth and you made a mistake when you confronted the cops and now you are still trying to justify you behavior, man up and let it go.

Speaking of ‘man up’…

I’m still curious to see all those links to the accusations of crimes committed by the girl and the links to the refutation of the officer being punished for his actions…

The Truth became The Lie when he was unable to back up any of his statements.

If he does back up his statements, I’d be happy to revert him back to The Truth.

I guess everybody deals with stress differently, at 1:28 of the video when she ask are you going to give me an ambulance you can hear her laugh. I also like how she thinks her dad is going to die but is more concerned about getting his name so she can sue.

Nice job of the reporter talking over the tapes to, don’t know if he didn’t want us to hear everything or if he is just an idiot.

Oh boy, jones is back! Mom must have kicked him of off World of Warcraft again.

And imagine that, he thinks the non-cop acted imperfectly and there’s a problem with the recording (it’s a conspiracy!)

Like a broken record there.

(Strangely, I hear no laughing there.)

If she was known as a chronic 911-baiter, and that is relevant to this story, why did the cop not say when he finally called for the ambulance, “Oh, it was so and so again,” instead of saying “I have some foul-mouthed girl on the phone, I couldn’t tell what she wants.” (paraphrasing)

You’re going to have to try harder than that, officer Pyle. The shit you’re shovelin’, nobody’s buyin’ anymore. The only one who disgraced himself here today is you.

Michaelk42

Laughing here!

ROFLMAO!

What is wrong with the dispatcher? Cant take a little bad language? Is he some sort of a wimp? Or don’t the peasants know there place?

Why are some of you attacking Carlos here? Is he making you uncomfortable with the truth, hitting a little close to home? I think I detect the oder of jack boots.

“genewitch” mused…use of “four letter words” and they’ve found that the most colorful people who use the language like that can actually communicate more effectively to their audiences than english majors in college.

Oh yeah? That really worked for her, didn’t it? LOL

Sure, dispatchers are trained to deal with emotional situations. And one simple way to deal with “in-your-face” OBSCENE telephone harassment is to HANG UP on the offender.

If you want to harass with obscenities the very people of whom you are begging help, then, yes, I’ll label you “shallow end of the gene pool.”

My mom said “please” works.

Boi Boy: I don’t think that deciding who should survive and who should be left to die is in the job description of an EMS dispatcher.

One must decide to not commit, repeatedly, obscene telephone harassment when calling another person – especially when one finds himself in charge of a critical situation, such as the life of a father lying on the floor.

And everybody, no matter what the job description, has the duty to hang up on unlawful obscene telephone harassment offenders.

Roger: I think I detect the oder [sic] of jack boots.

The only jackbooted thugs here are the whiners who want to force us all to listen to illegal obscene telephone harassment or loose our jobs.

Obscene telephone harassment is:
(1) Against the law
(2) Discourteous
(3) Ineffective communication.

Don’t expect the best of outcomes when you break the law, are discourteous, and can barely communicate anything but your contempt for those of whom you ask help.

Darwin:

Are you /really/ asserting that “obscene telephone harassment” applies to an emergency call to a 911 operator? Do you really believe that people calling 911 are /required/ to maintain their bearing sufficiently to avoid any and all obscenities, even /before/ the operator picks up the phone?

It’s an odd planet that you live on. I wonder just how far away from Earth it is. Panicky people on Earth are not on their best behavior. Maybe on Planet Darwin, your limited gene pool never cusses under stress…

@Darwin

How are things in your prim and proper (and repressed) little Victorian Era Bubble?

He as a dispatcher gets a pass on calling her a “stupid ass” right back?

I think Nemo more than sufficiently covered the expectation of behavior above.

Way to be a pedantic little ass, Darwin.

Darwin – Re: #25

I would agree that hanging up would be the thing to do if the girl was calling the pizza joint or her aunt. But, calling 911 is a totally different ball game. The consequences of hanging up on someone are more than just making someone mad, it could involve someone dying.

What if someone’s house was burning down and as the firemen pulled up the homeowner in a panic said “What took you so F-ing long?” Should the firemen then just drive back to their station?

I was a paramedic for many years and have been called every foul name, in multiple languages, by drunks, combative head injured patients, psychiatric patients, criminals, and just plain jerks. You have to look past that and help the person the best way you can. I never took it personally.
The dispatcher should have looked past the four letter words and the attitude to ask “What is your emergency?” and acted on that information. The dispatcher’s job is not to adjust her attitude over the phone. That might take years of maturing, and perhaps even years of therapy. Even hypochondriacs sometimes really get sick, and as I said before, even foul-mouthed obnoxious teenagers sometimes need 911.

Nemo asked: Are you /really/ asserting that “obscene telephone harassment” applies to an emergency call to a 911 operator? Do you really believe that people calling 911 are /required/ to maintain their bearing sufficiently to avoid any and all obscenities, even /before/ the operator picks up the phone?

Are you /really/ asserting that unlawful obscene telephone harassment does NOT apply to an emergency call to a 911 operator?

The girl who called maintained her bearings very well – a bearing of pure contempt.

Even if one stipulates that the 911 dispatcher could have handled the situation better (yes, he could have,) the girl’s use of obscene language and open disdain for those from whom she was requesting help was not a very good survival tactic, was it?

Creatures on the shallow end of the gene pool often earn a “Darwin award,” and she got really close to acquiring it for her daddy this time. With your collaboration, maybe she can finally claim the prize.

Boi Boy: The dispatcher should have looked past the four letter words and the attitude to ask “What is your emergency?” and acted on that information.

You are correct, and I have never said otherwise.

That still doesn’t let the girl off the hook for almost winning the Darwin Award for her father.

Showing open contempt for those of whom you are asking help is not a good survival strategy.

Michaelk42: How are things in your prim and proper (and repressed) little Victorian Era Bubble?…Way to be a pedantic little ass, Darwin.

Like, whatevaah! LOL

You remind me of a character called “Bud” in The Diamond Age or, A Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer, a postcyberpunk novel by Neal Stephenson.

He showed open contempt for the Neo-Victorian characters (and anybody else with some personal standards of behavior,) and had a derisive name for them. He also won a Darwin Award for himself early in the book, so it won’t take too long to read that far if you’re a bit slow in the head.

Research his pejorative term for Victorians and call me that if it makes you feel good.

Carlos says: A slap on the wrist for having purposely put somebody’s life in danger.

Carlos, the girl had a large part in putting her father’s life in danger. Should she be punished too? Or should only cops be held to standards of social behavior?

Carlos says: What kind of man would deny medical service for the needy unless somebody kisses their ass?

What kind of girl would put her father’s life in danger by using obscene telephone harassment as a technique for requesting medical help?

Why is courteous behavior while asking for help being equated to “kissing ass?”

@The Lie

Could you provide a source for the following?

The criminal charges against the girl are still open and remain so until 2011.

The girl later admitted lying to the police when she claimed she was home when she found the father on the floor. She was not home and the father was not lying on the floor.

The girl had a history of false 911 calls.

Video from the police station showed she did not mention her father when she came to the police station but instead began screaming and demanding Sgt. McFarland’s termination. She physically assaulted several officers.

And the biggest fact of all you overlooked: Sgt. Robert McFarland was later cleared of the accusations and his pay was restored.

She cussed at a ring tone, Darwin, not a person. Machines don’t recognize obscenity. If the officer hadn’t escalated, the language issue might have been over.

IANAL, but to swing “harassment”, it seems to me that the pupose of the call must be to harass. The purpose of her call was to get medical help for her father. Hanging up on an emergency client, OTOH, just might qualify as harassment, no matter her language.

As for putting her father’s life in danger, she had no reasonable expectation of an obsessive-compulsive prima donna control freak denying her emergency service for cussing the ring tone. OTOH, there is a reasonble expectation for a highly-stressed teenager to cuss at a 911 operator who denies emergency services by hanging up on her.

Playing the “look what you made me do” on the behalf of the operator doesn’t relieve him of the liability for his denial of service to a third party. His job and his duty was to provide access to emergency services. If “obscene telephone harassment” were really the issue, he would have had to use those words (or indisputable terms along those lines) to her. He didn’t. Nice try, though.

Don’t expect The Lie to support his allegations, since he’s been challeneged repeatedly.

As for your reference to “Bud”, if the people around him were trying to impose their standards upon him, then I wouldn’t be surprised if he treated them with contempt.

Ultimately, what we have here is a cop who did everything he could to escalate a situation that he should have defused. Bad cop! No donut!

@Darwin

Sorry, not a character in a Stephenson novel.

The point is, Nemo calls it in his last post – playing “look what you made me do” on the operator’s behalf doesn’t get him off the hook. He has a job to do. Even if you are right about her language, it doesn’t matter. He’s the 911 dispatch, it’s his job to get help out there for the person in need of help, even if the person who is calling, who is a different person, doesn’t meet his standards of “proper behavior.”

Is it smart for her not to be polite and calm as possible when calling? Sure, why not. You’re right about that.

And you’re still a pedantic ass, because that isn’t the point, the cop reacting unprofessionally is. Congratulations, you win!

Michaelk42: Even if you are right about her language,

I am.

Michaelk42: it doesn’t matter.

It must matter if your mind is still contemplating it.

Michaelk42: Sure, why not. You’re right about that.

Of course, I am.

Michaelk42: And you’re still a pedantic ass

Oh dear! Meeting a superior mind often evokes such a response from my lessors.

Michaelk42: Congratulations, you win!

Of course, I did. But I have a feeling you are being disingenuous.

But that’s typical of a “Bud.” Did you ever meet Neal Stephenson?

Nemo: She cussed at a ring tone

For starters. LOL Do a word count and see what floats to the top.

Nemo: The purpose of her call was to get medical help for her father.

It appears that her purpose was to provoke. She had a chip on her shoulder as big as any short cop’s.

And she discussed the dispatcher getting fired before explaining, even a little, why she desired an ambulance. That reveals her purpose.

Every emergency/hospital staff knows the local families like this that “gather wrongs” over little things and threaten lawsuits. Typically they’re the “shallow end of the gene pool” types, failing at yet another endeavor.

If you want to keep company with “stupid girl,” go ahead. I’ll be on the other end of the bell curve.

http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/bellcurve.shtml

Some people just tend to cuss. I’m a cusser. Especially if I’m stressed.

It’s one thing to say send me a fucking ambulance and another thing to say send me a fucking ambulance you fucking prick.

One is just an expression. The other is a personal insult.

Cops, of all people, have probably heard and been called every word in the book. They shouldn’t take it so personal, especially if it’s just a stressed out person expressing themselves as this girl was.

Are we still living in the Victorian Age?

Cussing is actually protected by the First Amendment.

For fucks sake, people. Just because someone cusses when they are under extreme stress doesn’t make them a fucking criminal.

@Darwin

So you’re now fully off the subject and into personally attacking anyone that doesn’t agree with you… You realize the more you post, the worse you look, right?

Keep going, we can use the entertainment.

Darwin,
You’re an ass. I do agree with you regarding her language, but, how should I put this, when a life is hanging in the balance only an ass would dwell on her language. Notice that his superiors agree with the principle I put forth, just insufficiently.

Oh, and dirtying the “victim” doesn’t fly here.Just to let you know.

Her purpose wasn’t to provoke, it was an emotional response to the stress.

Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

@Darwin

How are things in your prim and proper (and repressed) little Victorian Era Bubble?

Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:18 PM

@Darwin

So you’re now fully off the subject and into personally attacking anyone that doesn’t agree with you… You realize the more you post, the worse you look, right?

LOL! Pot. Kettle. Black.

Ariel says: You’re an ass.

Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.

Ariel: I do agree with you regarding her language

But you want to be popular, rather than hold fast to the truth, so the rest of your bleating follows.

@Darwin

It must be rough, having all that alleged intelligence, yet no social skills or human empathy.

Carlos: Cussing is actually protected by the First Amendment.

Then give it a try next time you request help over the telephone from a stranger. Darwin Award operators are standing by with valuable prizes.

Carlos says: …when they are under extreme stress…

Her attitude was meant to PROVOKE. You’re a reporter. It won’t take long for you to discover that emt/emergency/hospital staff knows the local yahoos like this girl that “GATHER WRONGS” over any perceived mistake and threaten lawsuits. Dime’a'dozen.

The girl has as bad an attitude as any bad cop.

And, don’t forget, the dispatcher got help to her father within minutes after Miss-Chip-On-Her-Shoulder finished her Terrible Telephone Tirade.

Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM

@Darwin

It must be rough, having all that alleged intelligence, yet no social skills or human empathy.

Cussing at strangers when asking for their help is a social skill? Then threatening that stranger with loosing his job, while your father is allegedly lying on the floor, is human empathy? For whom? The dispatcher, or the father, or both?

Could you elucidate your position?

Darwin,

Why don’t you call yourself Freud instead?

Considering you know what this girl’s intention was when she cursed.

Her initial statement was “what the fuck” when nobody was answering. That is meant to provoke?

Where do you live at? Because down here, everybody says that. It’s really a common expression.

But then he laid into her about this. Gave her a lecture. He was the PROVOKER.

And when you say the dispatcher got help “within minutes”, he waited six minutes from the last hangup before he called rescue.

Six minutes could be a difference of life and death.

What was he doing during those six minutes?

Probably fuming until he realized he could be get in trouble for not reporting the call. Then he tried to cover his ass.