George Berkin: You're An Idiot

It’s bad enough when we have to continually educate law enforcement officers of our Constitutional rights to take photos and shoot video in public, but when we have to start educating so-called journalists, then we know our work is cut out for us.
Take the case of New Jersey Ledger columnist George Berkin who believes the New Jersey girl who was detained her for videotaping police in public is completely out of line for filing a lawsuit.
Check out his column here.
Go look it up: the First Amendment guarantees the right to speak your mind, practice your religion, and peaceably assemble.
It’s a far stretch to say that the First Amendment gives you the right to videotape the police trying to help somebody in distress, particularly if that officer asks you not to interfere with their official duties.
At first read, you might wonder how can this man be employed by the largest newspaper in New Jersey with his complete lack of Constitutional common sense.
But if you start to do a little research on Berkin, you will realize he has no concept of reality on many of the issues he writes about.
Berkin is an evangelical Christian; a creationist who is always whining about his lack of religious freedom because schools are not teaching intelligent design - even though there is no science that supports this theory.
In other words, he has his own view of how society should be run and it’s not based on the Constitution, but on the Bible. Or however he interprets the Bible.
Not surprisingly, his asininity has raised the ire of atheists and evolutionists in the past, but now he has raised the ire of Constitutionalists.
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Comments
It's amazing looking at some of the responses to the blog posting how many of them want to cling to HIPPA (even though it doesn't apply) as an after-the-fact excuse for inexcusable behavior. It's also very apparent that he gets a lot of gung-ho yahoo's who share his views as opposed to trained and qualified law enforcement officers with an understanding of the constitution.
Yea, the guy is clearly wrong. I don't like that you go after his faith tho.
I'm beginning to think that adding "controversial issues" into the mix will drive more traffic to this site. I don't know this to be the case. It's sure drives a lot more comments.
I'm wondering if statements regarding immigration policy, military activity, the national dept, JFK and Scientology will be next. Mr. Miller can, of course, post whatever he wants too - regardless of good reasoning or lack thereof.
Dude, Please don't politicize evolution--science is (supposed to be) neither Liberal or Conservative; it's just science.
Please say "scientists" not "evolutionists". Science allows plenty of room and a framework for Mr. Berkin to prove his point....though every effort to illuminate his perspective has been more than a dismal failure.
The oft used literary description: "small, close set, piggy eyes", suits him well.
Anyone who believes this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum is an idiot.
"An exhibit showing humans coexisting peacefully with vegetarian Tyrannosaurus"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Creation_Museum_10.png
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
I try to remain emotionless when reading stuff like this. Mr. Berkin has presented an opinion so let's 'run it through'. If the scope of the 1st amendment doesn't include the videotaping of public officials carrying out their duties in public then a system of laws must be put into place to force citizens to abstain from videotaping public officials performing their duties in public and a system of punishments must be put into place for those citizens who break the law by videotaping.
My first question to Mr. Belkin would be; How many days in a cage or dollar bills should this student remit to the government for videotaping them while they are performing their duties?
People this dense make me ashamed of my faith. Creationism aside, the 1st Amendment doesn't "give" anyone their rights. It merely iterates some specific ones. In addition, the guy is such a moron that he can't seem to understand that it's the *publishing* of the video in question that would be specifically protected by the wording of the 1st amendment. And with the police interfering with taking of video, they have effectively quashed the right to publicize.
Astounding that a "journalist" doesn't understand the concept that the Constitution does not, in any way, authorize the government to detain or prosecute someone that is peaceably observing a public official discharging their duties, without interfering with said public official in any way. Video recording is not "interfering" by any tortured definition. The police are certainly free to go on about their duties while the camera is rolling.
First Rick Sanchez (good thing CNN finally canned his ass!) now George Berkin. Both are idiots when it comes to photographers' rights.
First Rick Sanchez (good thing CNN finally canned his ass!) now George Berkin. Both are idiots when it comes to photographers' rights.
I'd like to see what he says should that girl win her lawsuit!
You would think a journalist like himself would know basic constitutional rights. I'm sure if the paper ordered that column not to be published, he's sue too. He is indeed an idiot.
Educate, Carlos, don't just degenerate into name calling. I, like George Berkin am an Evangelical Christian, I also think Evolution is nonsense, and I also believe it is God himself that has given us our rights (just as many of the framers of the Constitution did).
I am also a staunch first amendment rights advocate, promote your web site and donated $50 to your defense fund. Stick to the pertinent issues, please
You like George Berkin, even though he is clearly not educated enough to be writing about this.
You are an Evangelical, your choice, I think it is silly, but your choice.
You think evolution is nonsense, your choice to ignore all of the facts and evidence to the contrary.
You are also free to believe that god gave us our rights, but you are completely wrong about the framers of the constitution. Stick to facts, I know it may not be your strong suit to stick to facts, but do try.
You are a first amendment rights advocate, good thing, otherwise your rather ridiculous beliefs would be in trouble.
Simply put, if you do not like the content, please feel free to navigate away.
I for one enjoy the multitude of content, it is pertinent to me many times, and I find it interesting.
Keep it coming Carlos.
I understand standing up for Carlos and his mission. I don't get going on the record as backing ad hominem attacks. Mr. Berkin's faith or stance on evolution have nothing to do with whether or not he got the facts or the legal theory right in the Khaliah Fitchette case.
Please point out where I went on the record ad advocating such attacks?
I am asking honestly, as I see no where that I stated anything other than my own feelings or clearly declared legal arguments.
To the contrary, Mr Berkin's 'faith' and stance on evolution demonstrate a lesser degree of the purely analytical evaluation required in the application of codified rules and laws (such as the constitution).
Basing decisions on internalized judgements founded on emotions or beliefs, contrary to demonstrable facts and established rule of law is not the way the legal system is supposed to function.
Put more simply, you have to follow laws based on reality, and now how you believe things should be.
Religion is the only self inflicted mental disorder
Get your God away from the Constitution please. Which one is your God anyway?
Could you please indicate what Carlos said that is factually incorrect ?
As it is Carlos's blog, I'm pretty sure the pertinent issues are what ever he damn well wants them to be.
Has anyone other than me wondered if the city of New York or the NYPD is paying him to write that?
The constitutional aptitude of the journalist in question has nothing to do with his view on his faith/evolution. They are non-sequiturs. To use this as a basis for your argument would be laughed out of any introductory logic class.
As for your view on evolution, I again laugh at you. I can not prove God or intelligent design.I don't even try. But I can poke huge holes in the THEORY of evolution. The theory has huge problems and is NOT a proven fact. Not even close. But since this is a photography forum and not a biology forum, I will spare you my full throttled rant. For now.
I will agree that Mr. Berkin is an idiot when it comes to the constitution. But it is based on over two hundred years of constitutional law; not on an unproven, unrelated topic.
Note: I have casually followed your blog for a couple of years now. I am a photography enthusiast. I joined tonight just to comment on this thread. You raised my cackles. (that doesn't happen often, Congrats)
You say theory in all caps as if that is some major argument? Gravity is a theory Dave, does not make it any less true.
And I for one would love to hear your holes that you would so widely poke in the theory of evolution.
By the way, why do you capitalize the g in god? God is not a name, it is a description. Also, which god?
Oh and "hackles", not cackles.
So, you are saying that the alleles in a population DON'T change over time? I'm quite sure you don't know what evolution is. I'd like to see these holes you can poke. Of course you can't prove god or intelligent design as both are unfalsifiable.
Are you sure it's evolution you have a problem with and not natural selection. I've read papers by William Dembski where he says Intelligent Design requires evolution. Again, I'm quite sure you don't know what you are talking about.
His religious faith does enter into this as it demonstrates his willingness to delude himself into believing he can imagine his own reality. I consider attacking faith to be my obligation to humanity.
So, you are saying that the alleles in a population DON'T change over time? I'm quite sure you don't know what evolution is. I'd like to see these holes you can poke. Of course you can't prove god or intelligent design as both are unfalsifiable.
Are you sure it's evolution you have a problem with and not natural selection. I've read papers by William Dembski where he says Intelligent Design requires evolution. Again, I'm quite sure you don't know what you are talking about.
His religious faith does enter into this as it demonstrates his willingness to delude himself into believing he can imagine his own reality. I consider attacking faith to be my obligation to humanity.
Thank you Jimmy for trying to tell me that I am confusing evolution with natural selection. I am not.
Reading your posts and some others below it, I can see I will get no where trying to convince you and others; since your "faith in the religion of the theory of evolution" is so ingrained.
Darwin based his theory on what he observed in the field. What he observed was the diversity of genetics within in a species. He did not know about the microscopic DNA strands in all complex life forms. No one has explained how these complex chemical chains came about happenstance. They have reproduced some limited variances of them in the lab*, but have never observed them happening on their own. (The theories may be proven or disproven by the electron microscope, not by the fossil record.)
*ends up that lab produced genetically engineered results may actually be a case for intelligent design. ;-P
We could both go on and on, but I simply find these arguments to be non productive. Why? Neither side has enough info yet to prove their case. I do not think intelligent design is a good theory. I think evolution is a better theory. But I think evolution is a crappy theory also. Being the best candidate of multiple bad theories does not make it true.
I will now leave to do some street photos of the diversity of the species to which we belong.
You are confusing evolution and abiogenesis. Darwin's theory of evolution is that speciation is caused by natural selection. He also had a conjecture that life had its origins in non-life, but that's not what he was really known for. And since there was really no way to study that idea back in those days it wasn't even really a theory. Intelligent design has nothing to do with evolution, it's a criticism of abiogenesis.
Carlos, i've been waiting so long to use this on your site: http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2007/09/bingo-creationi.html
I'm so fucking excited. BINGO!
Despite the fact that this is a photography blog (and I agree with Carlos on a lot of First Amendment issues,) I have to make a few points in response to Jim. First:
Evolution violates natural laws. The proven natural law of biogenesis states that all living things must come from other living things. Evolution attempts to claim that life started from nothing. This has never been observed or brought about.
Evolution does not explain the complexity and variety of life on earth. One can look at a cougar and a lion and see that they are related and may have had a common ancestor. However, a lion is not a type of giraffe, or dog, or anything other than a cat. There is no concrete evidence that shows one form of animal changing into a completely different type of animal (as evolution claims.) Hence the "missing links." Evolution cannot explain this, and evolution does not explain why there are so many different types of life if "survival of the fittest" is true. Were evolution the case, one would expect life on earth to be much less complex and limited to a few basic forms that are well suited to the environment-this is not the case.
If evolution were true, all forms of life would be related. Yet if this is the case, please explain the existence of the duck billed platypus for example (there are quite a few others, but there is limited space here.) It has fur like a mammal. It lays eggs like a bird or a snake. It has a bill somewhat like a bird. It has the venom sacs of a reptile and the claws and feet of a bird. It has baffled scientists since its discovery and appears to be completely unrelated to any other family or species of animal, present or prehistoric. Where did it come from? Questioning evolution is not delusional. The theory has some very real holes in it that should be explored, not ignored in the name of scientific dogma.
I haven't had my coffee yet, but is this really a creationist saying that you CANNOT get life from nothing ???
My apologies to Carlos and others for ranting but ... lets do this
> Evolution violates natural laws
- no, evolution IS a natural law
> The proven natural law of biogenesis states that all living things must come from other living things
- ok on the same page here
> Evolution attempts to claim that life started from nothing
- No, evolution explains the diversity of life, you're getting evolution confused with creationism
> This has never been observed or brought about.
- not true, please see the Miller-Urey experiment 1953, along with its follow-up and conformational research showing that first simple amino acids, and then RNA, DNA, and primitive cell structures can be created with Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and electrical stimuli. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
> Evolution does not explain the complexity and variety of life on earth
- no that is exactly what it does
> One can look at a cougar and a lion and see that they are related and may have had a common ancestor. However, a lion is not a type of giraffe, or dog, or anything other than a cat
- I see where this is going
> There is no concrete evidence that shows one form of animal changing into a completely different type of animal (as evolution claims.)
- The evidence you claim does not exist is called the fossil record which shows gradual adaptation of a species as it's environment changes. No it does not show one type of animal changing into a different type of animal, now you're confusing evolution with magic. Evolution does not say that cats change into dogs, evolution says that there are both cats and dogs, and that over time (more than 6000 years) each adapts to its environment. Evolution also says that at some point in time there was a creature that preceded both cats and dogs. In the population of this creature, environmental stresses would have caused some members to evolve more cat like features, while in a different part of the population, different environmental stresses cause that segment to evolve dog like features, over time these two populations diverge and become distinctly different
> Hence the "missing links." Evolution cannot explain this, and evolution does not explain why there are so many different types of life
- yes it does, yes I did, see previous rebuttal
> if "survival of the fittest" is true. Were evolution the case, one would expect life on earth to be much less complex and limited to a few basic forms that are well suited to the environment-this is not the case.
- You are making the false assumption that environmental stresses are the same across the entire globe. Survival of the fittest at the north pole gives you a polar bear, while survival of the fittest in the desert might give you a scorpion or a snake. Survival of the fittest in a calm meadow might give you slow docile deer, while survival of the fittest with cougars around will give you deer that run faster than cougars.
> If evolution were true, all forms of life would be related
- they are
> Yet if this is the case, please explain the existence of the duck billed platypus for example (there are quite a few others, but there is limited space here.) It has fur like a mammal. It lays eggs like a bird or a snake. It has a bill somewhat like a bird. It has the venom sacs of a reptile and the claws and feet of a bird
- It is very different and from a branch of life that diverged much earlier than others. In the example above I suggest a predecessor to a dog and cat that would have had some features of both. The platypus, much like the echidna, and the entire marsupial line for that matter, separated from much of the remaining animal kingdom before other branches continued further evolution do to environmental stresses. Australia represented a fairly isolated and homogenous set of environmental stresses lowering the need for any adaptation of the species there. Yes, they're quite different, and quite easily explained, thanks to evolution.
> It has baffled scientists since its discovery and appears to be completely unrelated to any other family or species of animal, present or prehistoric
- No it has baffled simpletons. Scientists however researched it's DNA, along with fossils and bones recovered from it's environment to determine where and when it diverged from the rest of the animal kingdom.
> Where did it come from?
- well, there was a mommy platypus, and a daddy platypus ...
> Questioning evolution is not delusional
- correct, delusional is not the correct word, unrealistic is more accurate and more polite.
> The theory has some very real holes in it that should be explored ...
- no, I'm sorry it just doesn't if you are willing to accept demonstrable fact in lieu of unquestioning faith
> ... not ignored in the name of scientific dogma
- There is no such thing as "scientific dogma" science is the antithesis of dogma.
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Now lets try one for you: Taking your assumption that species do not change from one to another.
There are over 4000 documented different species of termites in the world, none of which can live in water. So what would over 8000 termites (and their offspring) eat on a wooden ark for a year ?
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If you're willing do set aside demonstrable fact and replace it with your own dogma, as George Berkin does, he has no business casting judgements on legal issues that are decided by codified laws instead of "beliefs".
Hear, hear, well said! Much more eloquent than my own reaction to creationists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Creation_Museum_10.png
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
The Velociraptors were vegans too! Those razor sharp dagger like teeth were just PERFECT for grinding up leaves. Of course carbon dating is moot as well, we all know cave men played with dinosaurs! Oh yeah, it was all love In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida baby!
Well done!
Do you think that a scientific theory is clearly defined or sort of fuzzily defined? If they weren't clearly defined they wouldn't be of much use would they.
Evolution is defined as the change in allele frequency in a population over time. This is also an observed fact.
Where are the holes in that?
I suspect that it is natural selection you have issue with.
Evolution does not assert an origin of life. It simply asserts that the form and function of life changes over time as a result of various stressors on an individual, species and ecosystem.
This stress can come from anything. The need to eat, the need to bread, disease, a volcanic eruption or simply cosmic radiation.
It has been shown that individual genes have a natural rate of mutation. So that even without stress, there will be some mistakes made when cells replicate which will continue to drive evolution.
Blah, blah, blah, something stupid....
I agree that this Berkin guy is an idiot, though I disagree with attacking his faith (one that is shared with millions of people). I personally don't share his faith, but who am I to challenge it?
Faith is faith, not science. When there is nothing factual on either side of the fence to prove God does or does not exist, that's where faith comes into play.
I agree with Berkin on one thing though. I think intelligent design SHOULD be taught in schools, along with evolution, and biogenesis. Let the kids decide what they believe in, rather than forcing ONE idea into their heads. That's what SCIENCE is all about - theory. I don't see the problem in letting kids form their own, unbiased opinion as to what is right when it comes to this topic. Oh yeah I do, it might offend somebody (more politically correct bullshit).
Carlos did not attack his religion, he said what it was, but he didn't attack it.
On one line, Carlos says that Berkin has no concept of reality, then on the next line tells us he's an evangelical Christian creationist, implying that's where his concept of reality falters. I may have misunderstood Carlos's meaning, but that's what I gathered from it.
Carlos says in one line "he has no concept of reality on many of the issues he writes about." The subject of which is, the issues he writes about. In a separate (but following) paragraph Carlos indicates his religion. Even at the most generous interpretation while ignoring all grammatical and syntactical rules, it would be an attack on Berkin, and not his religion.
I disagree with you there, I mean if you are going to teach intelligent design, why not have a class teaching the earth is flat and held up by four giant Elephants? Science is subject to peer review ( http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_16 ) religion isn't, it's faith based. There is more than one passage in the bible where people are punished for asking questions and/or seeking knowledge. (Don't bite that apple, OMG you might LEARN something!!)
From: http://ncse.com/creationism/general/intelligent-design-not-accepted-by-m...
"ID has been called an "argument from ignorance," as it relies upon a lack of knowledge for its conclusion: Lacking a natural explanation, we assume intelligent cause.
Most scientists would reply that unexplained is not unexplainable, and that "we don't know yet" is a more appropriate response than invoking a cause outside of science."
To the contrary, evolution is simply another faith in and of itself. When the theory runs into snag that is insurmountable in terms of evidence and the scientific method (that being that it is not testable nor repeatable) evolutionists claim that "we just don't know yet." This seems to be the same "argument from ignorance" that ID'ers are charged with. The only difference is that evolutionists take on faith that it happened as a result of purely naturalistic procceses, assuming from the outset that there could be no God with a hand in it.
This applies to such topics as abiogenesis, without which the entire evolutionary narrative is rendered false and dead. No one has ever observed it happen, and we can't repeat it, but the evos just say that it did anyway, and they're pretty certain God had nothing to do with it.
That sounds like a pile of a-priori speculation to me.
Carlos I would suggest you stay out of the religious stuff from now on. This has turned into something you probably didn't intend.
Evolution is not faith!
People come to accept Evolution with certain knowledge. Faith, especially faith in religion, is usually found from air heads!
If one comes to a conclusion about a particular phenomenon without any understanding of how, or even if, it ever happened, isn't that considered faith?
In this case, it's faith in the assertion that God wasn't in any way involved in the creation, or perhaps modification, of life.
As far as the evolutionist is concerned, there is one totally a-priori assumption about how the world and life came about, that one must accept to be considered rational: God wasn't involved and probably doesn't exist. Even though this assumption cannot be observed, tested, or repeated.
If one comes to a conclusion about a particular phenomenon without any understanding of how, or even if, it ever happened, isn't that considered faith?
In this case, it's faith in the assertion that God wasn't in any way involved in the creation, or perhaps modification, of life.
As far as the evolutionist is concerned, there is one totally a-priori assumption about how the world and life came about, that one must accept to be considered rational: God wasn't involved and probably doesn't exist. Even though this assumption cannot be observed, tested, or repeated.
Again, god is not a name or a proper noun, it should not be capitalized unless you are referring to a specific god in which case use that gods name. The only time the word god should have a capitol "G" is when it is in the beginning of a sentence.
However your entire argument is flawed, a person who understands evolutions does not claim to know how everything happened, but rather how things have progressed since then.
Faith is defined as the belief in something without evidence.
That is the exact opposite of what evolution shows. For the items that science does not know we do not attribute some all knowing god, we simply say "we do not yet know".
In science you can have a remainder left over without calling it god.
As for proving, observing or testing god, um, you cannot prove a negative, it is up to you to prove that there is an invisible skyman out there who loves me but wants me to burn in hell for all eternity because I do not worship him.
Evolution is not fact. Believing it so, despite no real examples; is because you want to believe it so. That is faith.
Rance,
Which one will be the creator?
This isn't about my personal belief system. Did I give you any indication otherwise?
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Until the pox of churches are removed from thisearth we still have them in every city and town, usually many more than one.
If you want your kids to learn about the fairy tales such as creationism, young earth etc, then take them there. they can learn all of that they want.
But at the school that I pay taxes for (which the church of course pays no taxes to help upkeep) they will teach only mainstream scientifically sound and approved curriculum.
If you want to fill your child's head with scary stories and fantasies there is a local church who will gladly help you out.
As for me and my kids, I will teach them the scientific method then they can choose for themselves.
How about we simply remove the pox of public education and return it to the free market from whence it was stolen? Then people can send their kids to learn whatever they want them to learn at the school of their choice. This wouldn't be an argument if it weren't for government assuming control of the education of our children.
Yea that worked out so well. We are finally pulling away from the hate and violence filled religious classroom and you want us to go back to a single school marm and no standards.
"Hate and violence filled classrooms"?
Where did you get that?
And yeah, you're right. The government standards are so much better, what with the almost universally failing government schools, turning out good little state-worshiping, taxpaying plebes that will salute the flag and not question the all-knowing gov, hail the government full of grace.
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