Attracting better feedback

How to bait useful comments on your photos

As photographers in this Internet age we read about photography, and share our work, in hopes of honing our craft. You could be pursuing a career as a wedding photographer or a sports shooter and either way you’re searching for articles, subscribing to photography blogs, and participating in photo forums in hopes that there are gems of knowledge that will take your photographic prowess to the next level.

What most photographers, especially those that didn’t do any formal art training, are missing from their arsenal of learning tools, is the art of critique.

Defining Art Criticism

Sometimes, it can be fiercely difficult to know what's missing in a photograph. The easiest way to get a bit of help is simply to ask for it - but you've got to do it right.

Simply put: Art criticism is the discussion of the evaluation of art.

And having your peers, especially those whom you respect, evaluate your photography in a constructive manner will make you a better photographer.

And yes… it can seem scary.

We often think of critiques as negative and judgmental. They don’t have to be. And if they are…well, you just shrug it off. Chalk it up to the learning process.

There is an alternative.

You could upload your images to Flickr and join groups where they require comments and post badges and prizes galore! You’ll be inundated with happy unicorns and shiny gold medals. Comments like “Wow!” and “Nice!” will flood your comments sections and you’ll be able to see through rose coloured glasses for days!

While that may be okay for the occasional ego-boost I’d argue that those kind of groups are doing you more harm than good.

I mean, let’s get real for a second…did you actually learn anything from those kinds of comments? Did you become a better photographer because you got a scripted response from someone else looking for tons of comments filled with other scripted responses?

I didn’t think so.

Get Better Photo Critiques

I know from experience that there's nothing more difficult than getting harsh critique or a ton of suggestions for improvement on a photo you're particularly proud of. But stand tall and take it like a (wo)man - it's the fastest way to get better.

Getting better photo critiques starts by going to the right places (hint: you’re already at one of them).

  • You may already know that Photocritic does photo critiques and I highly recommend adding your photos to his queue.
  • Flickr has a rather large assortment of groups that are dedicated to criticism and critique. Simply search Flickr for “critique” and find the one that best suits your tastes and style of photography.
  • DeviantArt also has groups dedicated to criticism. What’s unique about DeviantArt is that you’ll get critiques from artists of varying mediums, not just photographers, which can add a different perspective and unique insights.
  • Photography forums often have sections dedicated to critiques. You’re probably already part of a photography forum, or know of a good one, so search for critique threads.

So you found a place that does critiques. Now what?

  • Upload some of your photographs then submit or post them to the groups or threads in the critiques section.
  • Participate! When you join a new group or forum you’ll likely get ignored for a little while in the beginning. Don’t worry, this is natural in every social setting. You need to be pro-active and start conversations. Critique other photographs. When you start critiquing other people’s photographs you are essentially inviting them to critique your work as well.
  • Keep the conversation going. After someone has left a critique of your work it’s a good idea to thank them for their time and/or insight. This simple act of “conversation” will encourage more participation from others who may be sitting on the sidelines.

Keep it constructive or you won’t really gain much.

The day you think there's nothing left to learn, you may as well eBay all your camera equipment and give up. Trust me; that day will never come. And if you think it has, you're wrong.

  • Feel free to set guidelines on your work. Not everyone will pay attention, but many will. On every image I post on my flickr account I add “While your comments are greatly appreciated, your presence is enough reward. Please do not post awards or banners, leave a comment or a thought instead. I know you can!” in the description box. Think about how you could set guidelines on your work to get the best comments and critiques that you can.
  • Make friends with photographers that you respect. Keep in contact with those that do constructive criticisms and maintain a conversation with them.
  • Give the best critiques you can give by avoiding annoying and overused comments and critiques and other’s will more likely reciprocate.
  • Be as objective as you can. You aren’t going to agree with all of the comments and criticisms you get and they’re not all going to be right. One of my best selling photographs got slaughtered in two separate critiques (one group critique and one published *yikes!* critique).
  • Research. If someone calls your photograph out for not having or overdoing a certain artistic element you need to look it up (especially if you think you know what it means) before you disagree with them in an open platform. Otherwise you alienate anyone else from leaving critiques
  • Be gracious and objective. This can’t be stated enough!

Following these guidelines will help you garner better critiques and comments on your photographs. You’ll learn how others look at your photographs and you’ll learn whether or not you are achieving your goals as a visual story teller. Did I miss anything? Do you actively pursue critiques?

About the Author:

I’m a huge fan of Damien Franco’s work. He’s obviously exploring; finding his feet as a photographer, but more importantly, he’s always ready to share what he knows. He works as a contemporary fine art photographer working in West Texas and writes photography tutorials when he’s not fighting tumble weeds, cactus, and oil tycoons. You could do a lot worse than following him on that there Flickr thing.


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Comments

Anonymous
Anonymous

Nice post and I agree – once you get beyond a certain point most laymen feedback will be of the “Nice” or “Wow” and it’s nice to hear that but when you yourself know that a photo could be better it doesn’t really help.

I used to be on http://www.photo.net which is a great place for critique – your post is inspiring me to go back there. Thanks.

Anonymous
Anonymous

@Daf

Glad we could inspire you to get involved in a photography forum once again.

I think online communities are one of the best ways to hone your photography skills especially in the “critique” threads!

Anonymous
Anonymous

If I found someone dumping the same comment/disclaimer into more than one of their photos, I’d walk right away very fast indeed.

Anonymous
Anonymous

@Tim

I guess I’m not sure why it would make a difference on putting the disclaimer on all of the photos.

Here’s the “other” possible scenario:

You only put in your profile?

But not everyone checks it for changes or updates, if they even look at all.

In Flickr if you just put it on one image there’s no guarantee that anyone who friended you after that image wasn’t on your first page would ever see it.

Many people on Flickr use this strategy to minimize the “unicorns and trophies” and I’ve had several people actually flickrmail me asking if it worked and if they could “steal” my idea.

I always tell them I didn’t come up with it and they can use my wording if they want.

There are many photographers who look for real conversation as pertaining to their work and the work they look at.

I guess I don’t see how this would turn off a photo enthusiast from viewing an image and reading more well thought out commentary.

Anonymous
Anonymous

It sure would be nice to get helpful, thoughtful critiques on photos. My experience is that people either have trouble expressing themselves so the valuable info they might provide doesn’t get expressed well; another scenario is that people just are too busy to provide thoughtful feedback; people may be too egocentric to provide helpful positive feedback especially if they consider themselves good photographers; people who are truly experienced and make a living in photography don’t want to provide free feedback; people who are technical experts may provide the minutiae of what’s wrong with your image with critiques that are overanalytical and thus not helpful; others believe a critique is a fact, so whatever they say is provided in a dogmatic manner–not conceding that ultimiately the critique is subjective. Other than that I think that getting feedback on one’s online photos is fantastic!!!! ; )

Anonymous
Anonymous

Great post! Getting critique/feedback is a really important part of growing your skill in any discipline. And so is taking criticism well and learning from it.

Photography critique is always going to be subjective and a matter of personal taste to some point. But if or when helpful suggestions for improvement are made on sites like flickr, it’s a very valuable learning tool for any photographer.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think photo.net is the best place if you want to receive constructive critique.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Great post as I am a firm believer in the use of criticism to promote growth in our work. While online critiques are great they can be harmful. Many online sites like flick are loaded with photographers that think they know more then they really do. I have seen many a critique that was just plain off.

I believe the best way to get great critique is through print competition. Organizations like PPA chapters do print competition which is judged by true masters of art. During judging the judges critique each photo telling what is truly right or wrong.

This criticism is always constructive and always hits the right points.

The only way to "improve" as a photographer is through the old time-tested ways of study and practice.

Getting involved in a slanging match (I loathe that pretentious "c" word!!!) with some self-appointed "expert" online is time-wasting and counter-productive.

I agree. As an art teacher i believe that critics are a major part of the learning process. But both parties need to be accepting of the process. the presenter needs to be able to take criticism and the view needs to be able to speak their mind.

Nice post Haje Jan! Thanks for giving attention to feedback. I really believe helping each other can improve your photography skills, but it has to be done the right way.

And I think Focussion is missing here ;-) Focussion is all about getting feedback on your photos. Just try it out!

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