Google+ May Not Kill Facebook But Flickr Should Be Worried
Google+ may or may not be the facebook killer everyone is talking about. Right now, that's okay. I'm more concerned about photography and photographers than I am over what my cousin is doing over the 4th of July weekend.
Flickr used to be my main hangout. That was before Twitter. That was before Facebook. But I would still occasionally head over to Flickr to do some photo-centric networking. It may be too early to state but I may be heading to Flickr even less now because of Google+ and I imagine that many photographers will find their habits going in the same direction.
The problem with Flickr is that it's been stagnant for too long. Facebook has more photographs uploaded to it and has a wider audience than Flickr. Didn't matter much really. You still got a better experience for photography at Flickr.
We then finally got a good competitor to Flickr with 500px. It's beautifully done with a community of photographers that hasn't been diluted by massive photo-dumping of "vacation snapshots". 500px is becoming the serious photographers playground. I think 500px will continue to gain more and more serious photographers.
Enter Google+
I was fortunate enough to get a very early invite and I've been on the social network for the past couple of days creating circles of friends, acquaintances, and photographers, sharing photography and art links, and joining in tons of conversations about photography, art, and just about anything else that caught my fancy.
For those who still don't have access I apologize. I wish you were in there with me. In fact, when you do get access I'd love for you to add me to one of your circles. It's a good time and it's easy and it's pretty great so far.
So how's the photography community at Google+? It's great and it's thriving. It'll continue to do so with some really great photographers sharing great photography content and having engaging conversations on photography. You've got most of the big names like Trey Ratcliff, Jim Goldstein, Thomas Hawk, Don MacAskill, and way more than I can link out to.
Better still is how beautifully and smoothly Google has implemented photo sharing on Google+. Viewing the photographs is more slick and provides a better presentation than Flickr thanks to their Lightbox feature. It just looks great and is easy to navigate.
Comments, of course, are there and the updates to new comments get pushed right to you so you can see who's commenting on your photos and when they do it. This creates a better back and forth between photographers. This is conversation.
With the release of the Google+ project Google's Picasa now becomes relevant again. Because Picasa is tied to Google+ they had to give Google+ users a 1 GB limited storage that's practically unlimited. Confused? If you upload images that fall in the limit range they don't count towards your limit. Here's the full FAQ to wrap your head around.
If you're an Android phone user there's an "instant photo upload" feature that you can turn on. This isn't instant share. This is upload. It's like a holding place in Picasa (tied to Google+) that let's you easily share any of your mobile phone photographs super easily. iPhone users will have to wait a bit for the iOS app that let's you do this. I have it on good authority that it'll be sooner than later. This is a killer feature. Flickr never really got mobile right. Google seems to understand that.
One of the more social features to the photographs is tagging. Most Facebook photographers know how it works and how useful it can be for marketing and networking. Plus tagging is a great way to keep up with friends, family, and acquaintances through photography. The Flickr community never really got into tagging the way that facebook users did.
It's not just about uploading images and commenting on photos. It's about having deeper conversations about photography. In fact, it was a comment by a photographer in my "photography circle" that prompted this post.
Cassius Wright - Google + has just killed flikr I -think hope :-) the integration with picasa needs a little work, but the social is all there now
What Cassius said had been rolling through my subconscience ever since I started playing around Google+.
Is Google+ gonna kill Flickr?
Of course I'm a fan of asking my social circles for their thoughts. I posed the typical "What do you like best about Google+?" to my photography circle. The conversation is still building but here's what we've got so far:
Alex Williams - Circle simplicity & the lightbox
Trevor Carpenter - Lightbox! And the hopes that all this extra attention will force the Picasa peeps to redesign their product, just like almost every other major Google property did this week.
Mawaz Khan Mirza - the fact that you can share your photographs with more style and go through notifications without opening each one separately :) google+ is far simpler than facebook :)
André Griepenburg - Better control on privacy, clear UI and of course the picture box is nice.
So that's where we're at so far with this very young and very powerful social network. I don't think Zuckerberg should be scared just yet. Should Flickr be scared? I certainly think so. What do you think?
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Comments
What about exposure to those outside your circle of friends? One of the advantages of Flickr and the thing that kept me off Picasa is that with flickr, ANYONE can see my work and there were public groups that could I could join. If I want a walled community, I could just focus on SmugMug.
You can have it be very public. I have a public Google profile account that I can publicly share photographs through on the Picasa account that's attached.
I hadn't been using Picasa publicly before so I'm going to have to change those habits but that's easy enough.
The potential for having a well put-together Google profile is great for exposure when people are directly searching for you by name. Often times your Google profile can become one of the first results in Google search.
Picasa will become more public, I'm guessing, as all of this progresses.
Picasa has been public for a long time. I have shared only pics but 98% of my stuff is open to the public.
https://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238
Not that there's anything there for folks to check out mostly just snap shots but I'm trying.
The Advantage with Flickr is I only have to see your photos, I do not have to see any of your other updates. I might not care about what a photographer has to say about the rest of their life. It will only really work if I can limits what is in my to just your photos.
I was not so fortunate to get a super-early invite to Google+. But I could catch a glimpse at your profile there (thanks for the add-me link which somehow got me in). I like it.
With a maximum user space, maximum size of photo uploads etc on Google+, I doubt it will be a real competitor to Flickr. I love Flickr particularly for two reasons: I can upload an endless amount of my original-size files (for $25 a year) and therefore use it as an additional off-site backup for my commissioned work and my most treasured personal work (I have 25,000+ 14MPix photos on Flickr, most of them private), and I can prevent others from viewing and downloading them in full-size (the maximum they get, even on public photos, is 640x480px, which is not viable for commercial use or prints).
I never really got into Picasa, I found it to be a clumsy interface and workflow, so I always stuck with Flickr. Since you mentioned 500px, I really like this (also because there are no stupid award groups), but would see it more in terms of a portfolio site than a photo community (or off-site backup enginge) like I use Flickr for.
I would still love to try Google+ and can't wait until it's accessible for more people, but as far as I can tell from the little I have seen, I still regard it as more of a competition for Facebook than for Flickr.
I'm kind of ... mmm... I will say "upset" to read constantly reports about how great Google+ is for this and that and still cannot get access to it! Grrrrrrr......
:-) So... thanks for the apology! ;-)
Oh and... if anybody can send me an invite, I would like it! ;-)
I agree that Flickr is stagnant, but what's going to kill is isn't the bad tagging -- it's the poor management of notifications and feeds. There is the recent activity feed, which is fine for your own pictures. But it would be nice if there was a better interface for seeing what your contacts (and/or friends) have recently uploaded. Or if there were notifications if someone replied to a comment of yours in a discussion thread.
But as someone else above me said, the nice thing about Flickr is that it's ONLY photography. I prefer keeping my life compartmentalized (it seems like I'm alone in this nowadays), and to me, Flickr has a much higher signal-to-noise than Facebook or Twitter or even Google+ when it comes to photography.
Becky,
The notification system that Google+ has in place is precisely one of the things that makes the project such a winner right out the gate. It's not likely that Flickr will implement something as good and if they do it would probably be too little too late.
That said, I do understand how you feel about wanting to keep your online life compartmentalized. The problem for most folks, however, is that they have limited free time as it is. The vast majority will use 1 social network primarily. While there are many "tech savvy" or "social media savvy" photographers who do use multiple social networks I feel those numbers are much smaller than most people realize. Even the heaviest social media users among us will likely only devote their efforts to 3 or 4 social networks.
When you've got Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Flickr, 500px, DeviantArt, Google+, etc, it becomes too much to juggle.
If, and right now it's still a bit IF, Google+ can tackle the best of all worlds (this seems to be their intention) then it sort of becomes more and more of a "no brainer" as the social network becomes bigger and bigger.
Hi Damien:
I certainly want to join and find out. Thank you for this new information and when I join, I will certainly add you to my circle of life;-) here's a ttv /instagram shot. I just posted about mixing it up with apps yesterday on pixiq:
http://www.pixiq.com/article/insta-playtime-getting-creative-with-insta-...
all best,
e
I don't buy this idea at all.
Google+ won't kill flickr or 500px just like facebook hasn't.
The biggest reason being that the Terms of Service basically allows google to do what ever they want with your images and even amateur photographers will not be having any of that. If google changes their TOS on google plus and their new Picasa offering then I can see people using the service more. But it's not going to killer flickr or 500px.
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