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I support you man, but what you are wanting/asking to do is simply a copyright violation. Just because you were the subject of a story doesn’t let you have any rights to it, just as when you take photos in public. If the producers are cool with it, then make sure you mention that or just get a legit copy from them, but sometimes they even have no say since that belongs to the channel that aired it.

I understand that, but I’m willing to take a chance of having iTunes or HDNet tell me to remove the video.

I had to chime in here on this one too. I’ve been following this blog religiously for the last several months and I greatly appreciate what you’re doing, but this is a really strange compromise on integrity.

If HDNet isn’t providing you with a copy, then they obviously want it protected, and you’re stealing from them if you post it here… a strange way to thank a media outlet who took the time to provide exposure. It’s especially sad to see when the title of this site is about something that is NOT a crime, and you’re actively soliciting people to help you do something that IS a crime.

I know you didn’t mean this to be a big deal, but I’d hate to see something this small start to damage the credibility you’ve built up with a very loyal following.
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Are you serious? With all the people here being photographers rights centric, you are trying to break copyright law to provide the video?

Seriously?

I love this blog, but I CANNOT believe you are doing this.

Posting it here will cost HD Net, the company that assisted in promoting your plight, money. Taking another’s property for sale and giving it away is purely stealing.

Truly unreal, illegal and in bad taste. Sorry, Carlos.

Mike S

Look, guys, save your preaching for another blog. I’ve already gone through the channels and was advised to do it this way rather than get tied up in a never-ending quest from a certain legal department.

Yeah. I went off at first but thought I’d keep it short and sweet:

You just lost a great deal of my respect, Bub. I thought you were better than this.

But, like Great-Bearded-Cloud-Man, I can forgive you if you repent (which I would strongly suggest)

Jesus Carlos. Watch out or you will have Michael42 write a blog post about your use the video and then harp on it for a year after the fact.

Mike, post that link again and show everyone how you will chastise Carlos for misuse of copyright.

Don’t sweat it, I got the two bucks.

God forbid we scam Mark Cuban of a few 2-buck downloads.

Eric: Copyright violation is not stealing. A direct comparison does not make sense. I will occasionally use the term sarcastically to save syllables, though. Besides, there are plenty of people, like me, who will only watch the video if there is no paywall.

Carlos: I do see the point of asking forgiveness rather than permission. The folks at HD Net seem cool enough, but I would comply with the first letter they send you. I recommend vimeo over youtube, since takedowns take longer. You might not have a big enough impact for them to worry about you.

One thing I have noticed here Is that many of the posters here have a tendency to attack before all the information is in. Carols is a good guy,don’t you think may be you should find out what is going on first? Or is your blood lust too strong? I have said it before, stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats.

Well I hate iTunes, there is no way in hell I would install it on any PC. I don’t support Carlos trying to get around the DRM either.

I am sure he would be outraged if someone was violating the copyright on his photos.

I guess I won’t get to see the video.

Funny you should mention that, Johnny. And a year later you haven’t changed.

But that’s really more about being a disrespectful jerk who abuses his authority. The anti-photographer IP infringement is just icing on the cake in the end.

As for Carlos: as much as I loathe DRM… Cracking DRM for personal use is one thing, even legal if you own the media and it’s end use is legal personal use. Publicly stating that you’re trying to circumvent DRM in order to widely distribute protected content is an entirely different, not-smart thing.

You don’t want this to turn into another fair-use debacle.
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I use this program on a daily basis…Its the best FREE video conversion program on the market. But I do not know if it will work on DRM files. Worth a try right?

Sorry I should have stated the name. iWiSoft Video Converter

Ummm, instead of uploading the entire thing, it would make more sense to use a segment under fair use. It is one thing to accidentally break a copyright. But to purposely do it just because you know you’ll get away with it is….immature. Even if the higher ups are ok with it, you are circumventing the compensation of the camera man, the editors, and everyone else involved in the production of this segment. Either you are going to be a champion for photographer’s rights or someone looking for fame and money. This post, at best, makes you look terribly unprofessional for a journalist, and at worst, taints your entire image as a champion for photographer’s rights.

If you don’t understand what your fans are trying to tell you in these posts and you think we should get over it, then maybe we just didn’t know the real Carlos.

I know, lets only follow the laws we think are correct. Better yet, lets make up our own laws that best suit the situation we find ourselves in. Now where have I heard that type of reasoning before?

Please educate yourself about the folly of copyright before being mortally wounded. Such simpletons being led to believe in a system that helps the rich and powerful much more than the poor photog.

Someone define IP? Where/when does it begin and when/where does it end? If I put words on a paper in a certain order I can claim IP? That is stupid beyond belief.

Yes HDNet made the video but without Carlos they wouldn’t have a story. What if it was HDNet filming a famous rock band? The rock band would have IP, and if HDNet charged people to download that show without giving the band and their government supported asshole handlers the recording industry retards a residual or two, then hell would be raised. It just goes to absurd conclusions, IP law is bullshit, always has been bullshit.

If someone tries to pass off someone else’s work as their own than let the market place nail them, and it usually will.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/tucker/tucker135.html

Carlos, I’ve been a fan of your blog for quite some time, not I’m rubbing my eyes in disbelief.
What you’re openly in broad daylight suggesting is to simply rip and share a copyrighted material (i assume it is copyrighted) ?

Carlos – I have to agree with most everyone else. I’m a huge fan of your blog. I DVR’d the episode so I could watch your mistreatment, and I really respect what you’re trying to do for photographer’s rights – I’m at this website at least 4 times a day.
Trying to circumvent DRM and try to take money away from HDNet (yeah, even if it’s only $2 per person) seems like a bad move. I think perhaps you may have gotten bad advice on how to host the video on your site. Maybe there’s some confusion here and we’re all misunderstanding and you’ll clear all of this up soon…

Ok.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-second-police-beating-txt,0,3693269.story

Next topic: Denver police beat man for offering testimony to harassed citizen. Cops lie to driver, man says “I’ll help you in court, buddy”, Cops say “give us YOUR ID too” man pulls out cell phone camera to film, cops knee, kick, punch man senseless.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-second-police-beating-txt,0,3693269.story

Getting around DRM is trivially easy. But it’s a bad idea to post the whole episode. Better to take snips, mix in your own commentary and other clips into your own advertisement for the episode. Best if you can et some kind of affiliate deal where you are getting a few cents per purchase through your blog. (Which is an Amazon thing, not an ITunes thing.)

You know, guys, as I said, I was simply trying to follow advice given to me by the same people you think I’m trying to rip off.

Otherwise, it would end up going through a shitload of channels through HDNet’s legal department and everybody knows once you get lawyers involved, it can take weeks for a final decision.

I was trying to get a video posted for my readers with as little inconvenience as possible.

But fuck it. I’m done.

AS I SAID! Find out what is going on before you make fools of your selves.
Carlos was fallowing the instructions of the copy right holder. They had given there OK on this! Did any of you think to check this out? Did any one think that may be Carlos knew what he was doing? NO, YOU DID NOT! You just went ahead and acted like a bunch of asses. You guys are an insult to a heard of asses. You people act like a bunch of children.

I am embarrassed by how these fools acted and apologize to you for and part that you may think I played in this. I also apologize for my using your forum to chew them. out

Carlos- I’ve gotta say that I’ve lost respect for you.

While I can understand you wanting to let your followers view this episode, going around the copyright was much the same as officers eroding our rights, little by little.

“God forbid we scam Mark Cuban of a few 2-buck downloads.”

-Sounds much like-

“God forbid we illegally keep some Joe Citizens from videotaping us”

I’m glad you’re dropping your pursuit to host the video for free. If you had- I wouldn’t have watched it. I’ll pay the two dollars and support HDnet in the process.

Mike:
Cant you read? HDnet gave there OK to do this.

Dude, you TRYING to get back into court as a defendant? What you are asking to do is a violation of copyright. If you want to provide a copy of this video, then use your contacts to get a copy for distribution. Don’t rip off someone else’s work.

I hate your double standard. On one hand you feel everyone (including the Police) should follow the law, but then you advocate breaking the law because it’s convenient for you.

Roger:
Did the camera man give his OK? Did the video editor? Did everyone involved in the production of this video give their OK?

I imagine the reason HDnet can’t just post the video for free is that those employees must be paid for their work. I question the integrity of HDnet if they suggest people pirate their work.

If you went through the channels, then they should have provided you with a copy of the video without the DRM. Taking the copy from iTunes and removing the DRM is breaking the law.

Bob;
Did you ever read the laws? If the copy right holder gives there consent, it is all right. Every
thing else is beside the point.
R. Wilson:
He did go through channels, the copy right holder is the channels.

Are you people discussing or just trying to start a fight?

I have to agree, this is wrong in every way. If you truly had permission from the proper channels, you wouldn’t need to circumvent the DRM that is in place as you would already have a copy to distribute. Were that true, you could just post it. Bad form, Carlos, bad form.

“Taking the copy from iTunes and removing the DRM is breaking the law.”

A not so long time ago freeing a slave was breaking the law, not going to church on a Sunday was breaking the law, God forbid we break a law. Not to mention the fact that the people who filmed Carlos told Carlos to put the video up.

If you people saw a bunch of federal agents round people up and put them on boxcars heading for a concentration camp you would do nothing except file a lawsuit, right? Because beating the crap out of the murderous thugs and freeing the people would be “against the law.”

“Work within the law, it’s the only way to get things done properly.”

“Say King George III, can we please leave the empire?”

I’m glad I don’t live in the US, nice police state, call me from the concentration camp. You lot are having the same conversation in your society that the Germans has in the 1930′s, good luck.

Have I lost respect for Carlos? Naaah. I recognized a while back — watching him in videos and just getting a feel for him — that he’s a regular guy. He’s not the love child of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson infused with a passion for SLRs and rapid transit stations. He’s a regular-joe, the type who’d be fun to have a beer with and share a pick-up game. He’ll be nice, mean, generous, stupid, an asshole, a poet, and a bunch of other things we’re all guilty of at varying times of the day. I bet he even holds grudges and smokes. He might even think it’s funny to fart in a crowded elevator.

Was he wrong to try to solicit help in violating copyright and breaking DRM in iTunes (something that should be easy using the right desktop recording software to record the video as it plays on iTunes)? Yep. And if he did it, he’d open himself up to all kinds of nifty infringement suits faster than a grandmother on Bit Torrent. The idea of capturing a few relevant portions under the protection of fair use, however, makes sense and probably fulfills most of Carlos’ itch.

The best we can do is recognize that on the issue of making sure that photography is kept legal and a protected right Carlos is the go-to man. I’m not interested in his views on French philosophy (they’re probably sophomoric at best), but I do want to see him continue to trigger flash bulbs into the confused eyes of The Man.

When he slips up, the rest of us can slap him around until he stalks off in a huff and hope that after a night spent on a binge cursing us ingrates, he comes back hungover the next morning thinking maybe we were right after all.

Guys: don’t go crazy. Carlos understands fair use and probably wanted to convert a small excerpt of it to youtube. No harm, no foul.

Whoa! Breaking DRM is comparable to freeing slaves or halting a trip to the concentration camp?

OMFG!

To all the copyright Nazis here – fuck off. The name of this web site is Photography is Not a Crime It’s a First Amendment Right, not Copyright Forever is a first amendment right. From the month or so I have been reading his blog, Carlos advocates the right to photograph cops on duty and public buildings. I’ve never once heard him come out in favor of draconian, Mickey Mouse sponsored U.S. copyright laws so there is no hypocrisy here. In the case of police harassment cases, dissemination of the video over the internet, as WIDELY as possible is the most desirable outcome. DRM and restrictive copyright laws are the antithesis of this!! People so uptight about copyright that they think it’s more important than getting videos of police abuse distributed as widely as possible need to rethink their priorities over what is more important. Anyone who thinks copyright is more important than police abuse really is a dickhead.

Copyright and other forms of so-called “intellectual property” are bullshit.

http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html

http://mises.org/daily/3682
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OK, let’s all fuck off and let the ‘photography nazi’ use the rebuttal of:

‘They’re nothing but a bunch of renegades who pick and choose the laws they want to obey and ignore or permute the ones they don’t like to suit their tastes. They do the very thing they accuse police and security guards of doing – making up what’s legal and right on the fly. Only when they do it, it’s considered acceptable.’

Yeah, great plan.

Look, I said it wasn’t smart, not evil or wrong.

There’s a lot wrong with current copyright as it stands, but that doesn’t mean it needs to be completely abolished, and that’s a much larger topic than just one post on a blog.

(Though Cory Doctorow’s Content is a good place to see some well thought out ideas on the subject, and it’s free to download: http://craphound.com/content/download/ )

However, for all practical purposes, still not smart. Even if the people who filmed it said Carlos could download it, that doesn’t mean there’s

a.) Clearance re: their agreement with Apple for distribution

b.) No chance the lawyer arm is going to even listen to what the producer arm says. Similar to what we’ve seen before when bands post their own music to Youtube only to have their own label’s lawyers DMCA it right off.

This was really more the question you ask in an email to people you think can help you, not something to advertise in a blog post.
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Look, I said it wasn’t smart, not evil or wrong.

There’s a lot wrong with current copyright as it stands, but that doesn’t mean it needs to be completely abolished, and that’s a much larger topic than just one post on a blog.

(Though Cory Doctorow’s Content is a good place to see some well thought out ideas on the subject, and it’s free to download: http://bit.ly/cJ4JLH )

However, for all practical purposes, still not smart. Even if the people who filmed it said Carlos could download it, that doesn’t mean there’s

a.) Clearance re: their agreement with Apple for distribution

b.) No chance the lawyer arm is going to even listen to what the producer arm says. Similar to what we’ve seen before when bands post their own music to Youtube only to have their own label’s lawyers DMCA it right off.

This was really more the question you ask in an email to people you think can help you, not something to advertise in a blog post.

[edit: seemed to not like the original Content link]
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Carlos, just have someone in a more enlightened country like Sweden or Iceland get rid of that pesky DRM and post the clip. Let the US DRM supporters pay $2 if they like… I for one will see it on HDnet on satellite so don’t need a copy.

“Whoa! Breaking DRM is comparable to freeing slaves or halting a trip to the concentration camp?”

According to copyright shills like you breaking DRM should EARN people a trip to the the concentration camp. Read up on ACTA and three strikes no internet laws to find out what these copyright creeps are about.

Again… if the HDNet guys gave you consent, why not just give you a copy of the episode in question? I mean, the producers, and the network, who said it’s ok, have access to the editors and edit bays.. Just have them spit out the segment for you.

I think this has been explained several times.Will you drop it and get on to some thing else. Talk about a dead horse.