Pixiq

Sickening. And I’m sure those who characterize this website and most of its readers as “cop-haters” will try their hardest to rationalize this away as well. (That’s sickening, too.)

I’m sure jones would like a taser in the ass. He’d only get mad if the officer didn’t call the next day.

one of the many reasons I left that country.

@prozacula

May I ask where you went? I have a dream of getting the F out of this country.

C’mon jones, you’ve been awfully quiet.

Oops, didn’t mean to leave you out 10-8. C’mon. I’m just dying to once again hear you defend the indefensible.

The police chief called this “Conduct unbecoming of an officer.” Perhaps this is the new politically correct phrase for sexual torture.

Another interesting point found in the Ombudsman report was that the police never identified themselves as police before they broke down the door. The suspect claimed not to have known it was the police and he thought it was some friends of his girlfriend. So, he may have been telling the truth that he didn’t know it was the cops until they broke in. His reaction seems to support that version of events. He said “God damn it, and what the fuck.” Certainly a reaction that might have understandable when he found out it was the cops and not the others.

The prosecutor also determined that nothing “Illegal” happened to prosecute. Hmm, what if I had done this to my neighbor that I was upset with. Would the prosecutor have just called it a neighborly disagreement and left it at that? I doubt it. I would be in prison.

Another question came to mind as I was reading the report. There were something like 10 officers there. Why the hell didn’t any one of them say something like “Hey Bill, why don’t you let me take over” or “Hold it a minute” or something to stop the torture. I think the other officers had a duty to act, but perhaps that precept to protect and serve doesn’t apply if another officer is doing the abusing.

Lots going on in Canada with evil taser issue. See my blog. Also on Twitter.

Who says nothing fun ever happens in Boise?

You need to be armed for two reasons:
1. Protect yourself from the crooks.
2. The cops are the crooks.

DONT TAZE ME BRO

I think every cop should have their heads checked out every six months any signs of abusive behavior they should have to take leave with or with out pay depending on vacation time and if they can not get it under control FIRE them. Cause in ANY other job if sexual torture happened you know they people involved would NOT have a job.

Coralie,

You want truth?

The guy had burn marks on the inside of his butt cheek two weeks after the incident.

Of course the best way to solve this controversy is to make it a legal requirement that every police person Taser every suspect on the anus. Then the police could simply quote the law, and everybody else would have to shut up. That’s what the police want, isn’t it? I don’t know why they can’t achieve it. They have more access to lawmakers than you or I do.

Alex……

You truly epitomize what’s wrong in America today. The willingness to settle for the “Lesser of evils”. I really don’t care how you spell of define it, evil is evil, the degree doesn’t matter.

To say that “it’s worse other places, therefore this is acceptable,” is the way a coward justifies lack of action.

Remember the pecking order. Cops are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. In other words, They are NOT the boss! Moreover they are not the judge, or jury.

In your last post, you say “Ickybiker, you can suck it”. That pretty much sums up the mental capacity of most cops.

So, is that your problem, you’re one of the cowards involved in this travesty?

Alex shows us the problem. He sees the public as his enemy. And he doesn’t care what methods are used in achieving victory over us.

What did the suspect do? “Domestic Violence?” That’s a huge umbrella of crime. Who knows what he did to his spouse, girlfriend or child….maybe he deserved it!

Wow. I’ve apparently missed a lot in THIS thread.

Esther H and others: sweet zombie jeebus, how many times does it have to be repeated (even in JUST THIS THREAD) that “deserved it” isn’t even a factor here?

The police do not exist to punish people. Ever.

And Alex there looks like the big winner in the thread. If you’re so bored Alex, stop reading the blog.

Americans aren’t “so full of themselves.” There’s just quite a number of us that realize we’re not sheep.

Fuck. shit fuck shit shit fuck.

This is faulty journalism.

1. The taser wasn’t “in” the guy’s anus. It was over the top of his pants. Or are you suggesting that the officers stripped his pants and underwear off and actually stuck the taser into his asshole?

2. It wasn’t sodomy. The guy’s anus wasn’t penetrated.

3. There was no attempted manslaughter.

4. This article contains no proof of anything except that an officer used a bit of vulgar language toward a douchebag that was resisting arrest.

Yes, there are officers that are crooked, just as there are teachers, lawyers, construction workers, etc., that are crooked. But most officers do their job, that is, upholding the law, well. And they risk their lives day after day doing so. We should be grateful.

I don’t see any of you cowards out there doing their job. Why? Because you couldn’t handle it. You complain that some criminal was tased in the ass? Please, move to Darfur.

Most of the people complaining about police brutality have done something illegal or they have been mocking or incidiary in some way. Do you ever notice that? I’ve had no problems with police. Why? Because I don’t head into crime scenes taking pictures when officers are asking me to move on. I don”t argue with them when they pull me over. I don’t swear at them, resist them, or do anything else to piss them off. Why? Because I’m not an idiot. And because when I call on them, they’re there.

Not too long ago, I had a prowler in my neighborhood. I watched him steal a few things. I called 911 and reported him. I watched in satisfaction as the police rolled in and took him out. He tried to run and they took him down. Did he get hurt in the process? I hope so. And I’m not going to complain about it. I’m going to thank the officers for cleaning up my neighborhood.

I surely wish all you folks would move to another country.

Frankie doesn’t seem to care if cops torture people, or if cops obey the law. Frankie, maybe /you/ should move to another country, one where cops aren’t required to obey the law.

Heh, just occurred to me, he said “you cowards” – anyone wanna bet that Frankie’s a coop, one who doesn’t believe that he has to obey the law? Done any testilying, Frankie?

The Taser is being used as an instrument of torture and should be banned.

Yo Frankie….Listen to the tape my man.

When did he resist arrest?

What gives a cop the right to do anything more than detain and transport?

Listen to the tape, and then re-read your last post.

Peace

he was resisting when he was holding the door shut, anyway if i was a police officer i would have tasered the guy too because im the one that’s going home in one piece and really whats worse that the guy took a 5 second ride on the taser or that they would fight with him for five minutes and some one really got hurt like they used to , wow he had two little burn marks on his ass cry me a fucking river and its not like he didnt do any thing wrong in the first place its not like the Police were just driving down the street and thought lets go mess with this guy. ok put your self in there shoes you are called to a house for a fight and when you get there you hear commotion and screaming from inside you would go in and see just what the fuck is going on, because what if it was your sister or mom or wife screaming in that house you would sure as shit do something about it and thats what the police are paid to do, to go in to that house and protect strangers the same as they would their sister or mom or wife and you can say what ever you want about the police you hate them till you need them because im sure as you were born the day you get mugged, they day your car gets jacked,the day your child goes missing, the day a psycho walks in to your mall and starts shooting you will call for help and they will come to listen to you complain, to calm your fears and to suck up bullets for you, no matter what you say about them, any way you can say listen to that tape, read the article what ever do you really think thats the whole story its all been carefully skewed by a guy thats wants to make police look bad because he cant follow directions

Ok, now, I KNOW that there are a lot of people less intelligent than me in this country, but what the HELL is so difficult to understand about the statement “WE DON”T HATE ALL COPS, JUST THE ONES WHO BREAK THE LAW!!!!”

And ya know, I’m really getting sick of the ‘argument’ that those of us bitching about police misconduct should leave the country. Because it seems to me that the people who are ok with it should leave, since they seem to want a country where it is accepted that police beat whomever they think has maybe committed a crime. Those places already exist. But in THIS country, the constitution FORBIDS that action. Do you apologists know what the constitution is? Perhaps you should ask a librarian to show you a copy.

Kylie,
You are laboring under a misconception. The police in this country are NOT there to protect you. They are there only to enforce the law. They have, by supreme court ruling, NO obligation to protect the citizen what so ever. Only to enforce the law.

The police are indoctrinated, and trained, that the public is their enemy. They no longer believe themselves to be the servant of the people. They consider themselves as our masters. Don’t jump when they say froggy, and see how long it takes for you to end up in hand cuffs, on your face on the ground, with at least the threat of being tazered, or worse.

The police count on the fact that most people fear them. Lying, intimidation, torture, and the threat of violence are their major tools. They all know that there will be little, if any, repercussions for excessive use of force. Most people have little or no real knowledge of their rights under the constitution, or bill of rights. The police count on that ignorance, and the fact that most of the people they abuse will not have the resources, or inclination, to cause them any problems for that abuse.

I’m 60 years old. I’ve seen this country change from one where most police officers, only rarely carried guns, and did everything in their power NOT to arrest you. They did their best to earn the respect of the citizen and knew that abuse of authority, or lack of respect for the citizens they were sworn to protect, would get them kicked off the force immediately. The officers of today care little about respect. They only care about people fearing them. They thrive on violence and will arrest you at the first sign of lack of subservience.

I’m sad to say, ” We the people” has become “We the sheeple”. The citizens of this country have let this happen, and I don’t see it turning around. We have been conditioned to accept abuses, and have become so complacent we will accept almost any abuse as long as it doesn’t directly effect our daily lives. I would hope that people will finally wake up and take our country back. I don’t see it happening, but I can still hope.

And that, my friends, is why I no longer live in the United police States of America.

Sotsec,

Amen, brother.

And Kylie, yes, we should hate cops who break the law, but look at what these people do!

They mock, laugh, taunt, resist . . . then complain that the cops are getting too rough.

Don’t mock, laugh, taunt or resist (or break the law yourself, which most of the people complaining do) and the officers won’t be rough with you.

But it’s not illegal to talk tough to someone, or to tase them if they’re resisting.

Just because the guy said, “I’m not going to move,” or “I’m not moving” doesn’t mean he didn’t physically resist just beforehand (which he must have, or else he wouldn’t have been on the ground). And just because he said, “I can’t breathe,” doesn’t mean he couldn’t. He lived, didn’t he? He obviously could breathe.

These officers did a fine job taking this guy down.

And like I said before, this is faulty journalism. There are lies, even in the title. And there isn’t a shred of proof that these officers actually broke the law. They were rough with the guy. So what? He shouldn’t have resisted arrest.

Capt Turk, thank you very much for your post. Among all the posts on this webpage, it is one of the most rational, realistic, and responsibly stated. We need more people who are able to express their ideas in this way. But then, it takes years to learn how to do that, and most people in our nation today don’t know how to go about acquiring those skills. Schools are different now. Skills are not taught or encouraged. Everybody just wants to feel good. To me it seems clear that integration is associated with this reduction of quality in education.

Me/Capt Turk…..

While I agree the good Captain’s post should be the last on this thread, I just want to say that if we give up and move out of the country, the problem will not simply go away. They will eventually follow. Remember, these criminals are talking of “One World Government”. We need to take our country back form these thugs forcibly if necessary.

The law is the law. Either ALL laws apply, or NO laws apply. No thinking person could think otherwise.

SotSec7: Your attempt to sound intelligent just comes off like more blah, blah, blah.

You need to accept the fact that just because you’re a cop, it doesn’t mean that you have the right to abuse people just because you’re a fucking coward. Good cops can read a situation and adjust accordingly.

You say this guy WAS resisting, therefore you must be one of the arresting “officers”. That being the case, you obviously know you were wrong, or you wouldn’t be so indignant. “No one proclaims their innocence so strongly as the guilty.”

While the Captain speaks the truth, there is no reason we need to accept that. The criminal element in this country is a very small minority.

If it were any other way, these trigger happy paranoid punks could not control it, and that too is a fact. They want you to think there is this “MAJOR” threat of crime in America, but that too is a lie. It’s all been “created” by those who purport to have the solution. The battle cry of the statist is “never waste a good crisis” Why? because it creates panic, and the sheeple will give you anything you want.

Education is the enemy of the statist, Why do you think PUBLIC education is mandatory……and “free”? It’s an indoctrination process. Why do you think the state wants to abolish home schooling?

Wake op SotSec7……B4 your own hatred for your fellow human beings consumes you.

I suggest you reas H.H. Hoppe’s “Democracy: The god that failed”. It will give you a new perspective on the immoral nature of democracy and the state, which is merely “socialism lite”, but as evil as the soviet type, and will ultimately suffer the same fate.

America was founded as a limited republic, by Christians, Atheists, Deists, and some who never even thought about it….NOT a democracy. That whole philosophy sprang out of the French revolution, and was propogated in this country by such treasonous personages as Alexander Hamilton, and brought here by the Pragmatic French Coward Charles Talleyrand. (unfortunately for me, I am a decendant of Talleyrand.)

State control and greed have brought us to where we are at, and only the absolute antithesis of that will take us home.

Free society with free markets will weed out these culls We will get there, but it may be a generation or two B4 the effects of de-civilization we have suffered in the last 150 years will be overcome and the masses accrue enough intelligence to see the solution.

Education is the key. Read, Read, Read, Read, and when you’re done, Read some more. Never stop learning.

Being ignorant is not a crime. Remaining that way willingly is a crime against yourself.

Tasers are to a point good and to a point bad.
I understand the reason for choosing a taser over a gun lets face it that is a no brainer.
Yet tasers do have their issues for the cops.
1. Tasers are electricity and the cops do not have time to ask if the suspect has health issues that may kill them if they get tasered.
2. Honestly some people are very have issues with their skin easily burns (I know I am one of them what would cause a first degree burn on someone else will cause severe second degree burns on me)
3. Face it the cops go out everyday in the larger cities and deal with a wide variety of crimes and after a while mentally some crimes can get to a cop. (I have several in my family) add in adrenaline and sometimes things get out of hand.
I am by no means saying that causing injury to a supect is ok. But in this day and age with the crime rates rising cause people want an easy way around the hard times cops are in a tough position. Do we want them to catch the criminals or do we want to have the police hands tied to.
I live in Texas I have the castle docturine to protect me not all states have this.
In stead of outrage and insults look at the bigger picture.
How to we lessen the crimes taking place?
How do we make sure our local law enforcement is doing everything they can with in legal limits to do their jobs?
How do we make sure our officers are not suffering mental fatigue due to little officers on the job?
How do we as citizens make our own communties safer?
When you can answer these you will solve half the problems occuring with in police departments today.
Our society needs to step up and take action to make our homes,towns and cities safe again instead of relying on just the cops to do it but we need to do it within the law.

Capt Turk

It’s interesting that my local radio and tv stations have been running an ad about the “100 Days of Summer”.

The basic premise is that the law is watching you everywhere you go and if you speed, are drunk or not using your safety belt they will find you and they will take you down.

Nothing to be parinoid about there.

Paranoid that is-I had an Ozzy moment there.

i think i am going to vomit now

FUCK THE POLICE. FUCK, FUCK, FUCK THE POLICE

Karen…..

You have a good point. We need to take it on ourselves to make our home towns and cities safe again.

The only way to do that is to take all authority for administering the “law” away from the state, and give it back to the citizens. State controlled “law enforcement” is despotism. An allegation of a crime committed by the state, (or minions of the state) will never be fairly judged by the state. It is like having a student of law grade his own performance.

I know from experience that the state will never admit wrong doing, as it would weaken their grip of fear they have on all of us.

Not to forget about the victimless crimes in the “war on Drugs” and other non-sense dreamed up by politicians to line the pockets of certain select segments of society.

Abolish the state. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:

Peace and prosperity will return to America when the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

A perfect society would necessarily be an Atheist Anarchy.

Icy Biker,

In response to your comment, it is no reason to move out of the UpSA. If I saw any chance that staying in the USA and working to change things would have any effect, I would still be there.

The sheeple of the USA have become so complacent, and brain washed, there is likely nothing that will change during my lifetime. You look at the elections and see the same crooks being elected time after time. You see laws being passed by our elected officials that are blatantly unconstitutional. The checks and balances of the government have been eroded to the point government has gotten completely out of control. Only lip service is paid to the bill of rights. Laws are made that literally turn everyone into a criminal. We are robbed of our property, our wages, and our right to live as we wish, by the very people we elect to govern us. We allow the government to disarm us, and take away our ability to defend ourselves.

People accept almost anything, as long as they are promised they will be safe. People believe the lies and promises that the politicians spout to get elected, and then do nothing when it turns out to be nothing but lies and empty promises, business as usual.

Sadly I see no change in the near future. It will have to get so bad people finally revolt, and it will end up in civil war. That, I don’t see happening anytime in the near future. I’m too old, too few resourses, and in too bad of health to stay and fight. The only effective thing I can do is remove myself from the county. That at least deprives the politicians of my little bit of income. I can’t vote, so I have no say in who gets elected. A deputy sheriff took that right away from me 40 years ago when he put a .357 in my ear and threatened to kill me if I didn’t plead guilty to a crime I didn’t commit. I had witnessed him murder three people in cold blood, just before he threatened me, and my only thought was getting through the ordeal with my life. During my life as a merchant mariner, I’ve had numerous encounters with cops. At least 99% of them have been to my detriment. None for any crime I commited. Only crimes that the cops thought I was involved in, or when the victim of a crime. Very rarely have my rights respected. I have NEVER talked back to a cop, or been verbably abusive. I have always cooperated with their orders. Never physically resisted in anyway. Still, I’ve been beaten. Had my face slammed into the hood of a car and my nose broken. Been threatened with arrest, or physically assaulted by them, when I refused to talk to them without a lawyer present. I’ve had my home broken into in the middle of the night by a gang of cops. Dragged out of bed and held up against a wall with a gun to my head. My wife refused to be allowed to put clothing on. My home searched, with no warrant, or explanation. Nothing but threats of violence if I questioned what was happening.

You wonder where all this came from? The fact that because of an out of control deputy, 40 years ago, and because I used to ride a motorcycle. In the eyes of the cops, I am less than human. My rights mean nothing to them. They feel they have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. I’ve been convicted of no crime in over 40 years, and had no record before that. It’s been almost 20 years since I’ve even had a traffic ticket. I hold a 3000 ton oceans masters license. Am college educated. Hold an advanced class amateur radio operators license. Have had a secret security clearance with the federal government, am a land owner. I’ve held a steady job all my life, with responsibilty for numerous lives and millions of dollars worth of equipment. The cops STILL treat me like a low life scum bag.

Has all this made me a cop hater? Yes, definitely. I would more likely call a crack head for help than a cop. At least I would have a chance to defend myself against a crack head.

Sorry if this turned into a bit of a rant, but at least now you have a bit of a window on why i left the UpSA.

Capt. Turk……

I completely understand where you’re coming from brother. I myself have considered moving to Argentina, but I lack the resources.

Also I need to state additionally that there’s nothing wrong with moving out. It is not….I say again, NOT a cop out to do so. It’s known throughout the free world as “voting with your feet”. I applaud your decision to do so, and if my circumstances were different, I would certainly join you.

The fact is though, (for me and millions of others) that may not be an option. Voting in government elections is frivolous, and a complete waste of time. In this article by Stewart Browne, http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/browne/browne4.html he talks about the viability of succession, and explains the way to accomplish it. Contrary to what indoctrinated sheeple think, it is not treasonous to do so, and in fact is the most American thing you can do in the face of tyranny and despotism.

Will it be easy? Of course not, but that’s how our country was born, and the only way it can be born again.

Using a fascist system to try and eradicate a fascist system is a complete waste of time and energy. We need to take our consent away from the self serving politicians and “law enforcement” morons, and give it back to the private sector where it belongs. The free markets will someday be re-instituted and the face of insurance companies and law enforcement alike will be controlled by the ACTUAL will of the people, by their willingness to HIRE this private company or that, base on the quality of service.

Again sir, I applaud and support your decision to do what you did, and only wish I could do the same. Unfortunately for me, I will have to stay and fight.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

Remember Ben Franklin’s assertion that: “those who would trade a little liberty for a little security, deserve neither and will loose both”.

Best regards to you and yours.

@Christopher Martin – I moved to Switzerland.

this is why everyone hates and fears all cops… we don’t know the names of these cops we just know that cops who like to sodomize people and threaten genital mutilation are on the street still on duty and they could be any cop because we don’t know

so next time I’m stopped by a cop I will scream in fear and run fearing rape, I’ll probably get shot for doing so too

This Police Officer should get a medal for showing the bad guy who is the boss! While he was holding the Taser on the guy he should have been yelling “WHO’S THE BOSS?” until the guy said “YOU ARE”. People have no respect for Police Officers anymore and the Police need to show these thugs who is the boss. If they don’t learn, then they should get a really good Tasering and then the next time they encounter a Police Officer they will know who is the boss.

Bubba

The police should be made aware of who the victim is, and that the victim is being abused. People need to be aware that police are sometimes abusers. Abuse is abuse, whether it is done by police or somebody else. Nobody likes their boss. That’s just human nature, except maybe for a few power jerks who think that authority is all that matters.

Bubba should have the scenario that he described happen to him, until he gets the concept of “Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” through his thick skull.

A judge couldn’t sentence a convicted felon to a tasing, but Bubba wants officers on the streets to punish people that way, so that baad officers get undeserved respect.

JMNSHO

Bubba …….. go home son, your mommy’s calling….

And another millionaire is born. Police are better than the lottery at redistributing wealth.

The police are public servants, paid from our taxes, given legal powers greater than our own–the trade off from that is that they’re held to higher standards, given greater responsibility, and–like the ironically named conservative realist and his ilk point object so much to–we need to have the legal and technological means to monitor them very closely to make sure they live up to these higher standards, or at least don’t violate them so grossly. When a certain greasy President of the United States–another tax funded, powerful public servant–embarassed himself and his office with his personal life, I doubt many you so-called conservatives were protesting when us “leftiest libertarians” were asserting our right to scrutinize every bit of evidence against him and every procedural step in his punishment.

Bubba, you seem to be confusing fear and respect. And raping suspects will probably earn cops–even the ones not directly involved–a healthy aura of fear. Yes, fear probably makes a cops jobs easier in a lot of situations. It’s why most people are very careful when they get pulled over for as little as a parking ticket. It’ll probably stop some of the more timid petty criminals from trying to run–like Chris Rock said, if you make the cops chase you, they’re bringing and ass-kicking with them. But it’s not all good. If you’ve got a gun, but would otherwise surrender peacefully, and remember that cops sometimes sodomize suspects “due to poor training” and get away with it, you just might decide to shoot your way out instead. The apologists like to point out how cops help when someone is the victim of crime–well, how well do you think they can investigate a rape or a robbery if every potential witness is so afraid of police excesses that they’d rather stay under the radar and not come forward?

Respect, on the other hand is harder to earn. Cops earn that by doing their jobs professionally and competently no matter who they’re dealing with.

You idiot apologists make the straw man argument that complains about police excesses “wanting to live in anarchy.” Going to such a trite fallacy simply proves your own lack of intelligence. Very few of us think we’d be better off living without law enforcement–what we want is BETTER, ACCOUNTABLE law enforcement, because living in a society where a small elite live above the rules is almost as bad as living without rules at all.

One problem is that local prosecutors, who work closely with the police, may be discouraged from pushing to punish offending cops, so the idiot apologists will be surprised to find that I actually support expanding police powers, in one particular area. IAB needs to be centralized at the state, if not the federal level, in an agency that is well funded enough to attract well vetted, well qualified candidates, pay them what they deserve, and oversee their activities with complete accountability and transparency. More importantly, give them broad powers to break the wall of silence and watch the watchmen effectively. Like a prominent conservative President said, ‘Trust, but verify.’

@Deputy Sherrif:
“I am a Christian and serve the Lord Jesus Christ first and foremost. Second, I serve the citizens whom I am paid to serve. God Bless.”

What the fuck?? This is what is wrong with religion. Apparently a Jewish Zombie is more important to you than the safety of your citizens. That’s fine for any other mouth-breather out there, but not for a LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT. Go join Blackwater if you have no loyalty to the citizens or this country.

Yes, I called your Lord and Savior a Jewish Zombie. Anything that rises from the grave is a zombie as far as I’m concerned.

Another thing, how would any of you feel if someone said, “I am a Muslim and serve the prophet Allah first and foremost. Second, I serve the citizens whom I am paid to serve. Salam Alaikum.” People would be lining up to hurl rocks at this person. But because Zombie Jesus is totally cool with everyone, nobody cares.

Religion is far more evil than anything else out there…

Karen! If you are going to put on the appearance of being intelligent, then at least learn your basic grammar, spelling, and punctuation!!
Blackula, and Ickybiker, you guys ROCK!!!

What is it about about being a cop that turns them into S&M homos?

I’ve been into martial arts for three decades and I’ve never had the need to fondle an opponents genitalia or insert anything into their anus. Cops and soldiers that do so are closet homos getting off sexually and should be charged with rape.

And that goes for Xe (Blackwater’s new name) and their Gay Pedophile “Christian” Mercenaries and their raping little boys. Turn on the international news. There’s a reason everyone hates us.

The problem with Boise is it’s a fairly small city, with a police force full of ‘roid-raging bulldogs who came up from California and aren’t used to being bored from the lack of real crime. It’s incredibly common to see three, sometimes as many as five police cruisers at traffic stops. All for a city full of computer-engineers and mormons.