If you're going to be a blogger with balls, then don't moderate comments
Bill Cooke of Random Pixels prides himself on being a ballsy blogger. A blogger who is not afraid to speak his mind or stand up to the powers that be, including The Miami Herald.
The only problem is, he does not allow a free-flowing discussion on his blog. Leave a comment on his blog and it may take hours or days if it ever appears.
That’s not very ballsy, in my opinion.
The reason I am bringing this up is because I left a comment on his blog last night to correct some inaccuracies he said about an article I had written. The comment has yet to appear even though its been 12 hours.
He brings up an article I had written for NBC Miami that created some controversy among the meteorologists in Miami. It was a tongue-in-cheek view of how our local weatherman generate tons of hype the moment a tropical depression appears on the horizon.
I included a sentence where I poked fun at local meteorologists, which did not go over to well with some of the guys on the NBC weather team, so I removed it that same day.
It was a decision I made on my own. My editor was aware of the situation but she did not see a problem with the article because it was obviously tongue-in-cheek.
But I figured I piss enough people off with my writing then to start pissing off people within my own company. So I removed the sentence on my own accord. It was no skin off my back.
That was on Saturday, August 15 when there was one hurricane and two tropical storms on the horizon. In the ensuing days, the status of those storms changed several times, including the hurricane fizzling out and one of the tropical storms forming into a hurricane and another tropical storm making landfall.
So naturally, the article kept getting updated.
On Monday, a CBS meteorologist was upset at my original article, so he penned a blog post criticizing my article for taking a “flippant approach” to hurricanes. He talked about how the media is the first line of defense when it comes to hurricanes and blah blah blah blah (yes, I know I am being flippant).
While it is true that the media is the first line of defense, nobody can deny (except meteorologists) that the media does create a ton of hype the first sign of a tropical depression. The media is in the business of creating hype.
The CBS meteorologist also points out that my article had been “changed many times and it is not in the same form it was this past weekend. ”
He also acknowledges that “It’s been quite a weekend. We went from no storms this season to three named storms in 24 hours.”
So, of course, the article was changed many times. I am not going to write an entire new article with each new development. What he calls “change,” I call “update.”
The only other part that was removed was a single sentence that I described earlier.
I should point out that the following weekend, CBS covered the same topless protest that I did on South Beach and reported that “many women marchers wore pasties to cover their nipples.”
“Many women marchers”?
There were a total of three women marchers who wore pasties to cover their nipples. This is the hype I am talking about. And it’s not like they weren’t there. They included a video with their article.
But did I write a piece calling them out on this?
It did cross my mind because of the meteorologist piece but I let it go because I didn’t want to get into a pissing match with local journalists.
And I really didn’t want to get into a pissing match with a local blogger either. It’s not like I haven’t done that before.
But Random Pixels stated that my article was “edited several times” after the CBS piece ran, which is a complete fabrication of the facts.
And it’s been 12 hours since I posted my comment and it has not yet appeared.
So I’ve posted the comment below where it will be sure to be seen by more readers anyway.
If you’re going to criticize news sites for being inaccurate, you should at least ensure that your blog post is accurate.
It is not true that my hurricane piece was edited several times after CBS ran their blog post.
The reason it was edited several times in the first place was because the status of the hurricanes kept changing.
Do you really expect us to keep the same story up when one hurricane fizzles out and another strengthens?
Even the CBS blog post you quote states that the article was edited several times before his piece ran, so you are pulling facts out of your ass when you say it was edited several times after it ran.
(I know this comment will probably never see the light of day).
The only thing I changed other than the status of the hurricanes was my so-called flippant remark about local meteorologists who hype up hurricanes.
It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek but some on the NBC weather team took it a little personal, so I made the decision to remove that sentence.
Although the NBC Miami team works out of the local affiliate office, we report to the national NBC office in New York.
I removed it on my own accord.
And CBS does have a lot of gall for criticizing my piece when that same weekend, they ran a story about the topless protest on South Beach stating that “many women marchers wore pasties to cover their nipples.”
http://cbs4.com/local/go.topless.topless.2.1140778.html
There were three women marchers. Far from many.
I guess I could have written a piece on NBC Miami “slamming” them for their report, but I have better things to do than get in a pissing match with other local journalists.
Or other local bloggers for that matter.
He also criticizes NBC Miami for having a lack of original content and that’s fine. He’s entitled to his opinion.
But I didn’t see any other local news sites report about the momentum shift within the Cuban exile community regarding the Juanes concert that became evident during that Sunday’s protest. It doesn’t even appear that CBS covered the protest (at least it didn’t come up on their site when I searched for it).
In fact, it is only now that the rest of the media is reporting polls indicating that the majority of Cuban Americans in Miami support the concert, even though they did not prior to the concert.
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Comments
What is the official comment moderation policy of the “Photography is Not a Crime” blog?
It’s pretty much self-moderated.
I ask that readers remain respectful in their debates but that doesn’t always happen.
But I’ve only deleted about five comments since I started this blog and those were comments that were way over the top, including racist and sexual and had nothing to do with the debate at hand.
Once again Carlos, you are wrong. Instead of assuming stuff, why not email me and ask why I moderate comments.
Just like you should have done when you speculated the reason I didn’t show up at the Herald for the preview of the blog aggregator was because of Anders Gyllenhaal.
You’re a journalist?
I don’t spend a lot of time on the internet in the morning.
So it may take a while for me to moderate a comment…which I do because of spam attacks.
But if you don’t like it…then don’t post comments….it’s just that simple.
Have a nice day!
Bill,
How does all this explain how you were wrong about my article getting edited several times?
The Herald thing was just a joke. I tend to do that in my writing, in case you haven’t noticed.
Also, there have been times I’ve left comments on your blog that never made it.
And if the Blogspot spam filter is that ineffective, I would recommend switching to WordPress because my spam filter is 99 percent effective.
Don’t moderate comments
Switch to WordPress
any other suggestions Carlos?
Here’s a suggestion for you…stop trying to have the last word all the time.
….and if you don’t like my blog, don’t read it!
@bill
What, you can’t use the captcha option for comments?
Democracy is so messy… I love it!
Carlos….Do you moderate comments over at NBC6?
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Sorry Carlos, you just come across as an argumentative jerk nowadays. You not only alienated all the women bloggers out there, but you also alienated anyone who wants families to read their blogs.
Google blogspot has a spam filter? If so, then, yes, it’s that ineffective.
Bob,
I didn’t realize I was the Waltons of the blogosphere.
This blog has always been about free speech, not about family values. Nor political correctness for that matter (although I do draw the line when it comes to extremities).
The point is, Bob, I allow you to post without moderating your comments. And even if you do call me an argumentative jerk, I will not delete your comment.
That is your opinion and I welcome it, although I disagree with it.
But that’s not even the main point.
The main point is that another blogger created lies about a story I wrote.
He made it seem as if my story had to be revised after it got “slammed” by another journalist.
That is not what happened at all. This blogger was attempting to damage my professional credibility.
And I’ll be goddamnned if I am going to let that go without a response.
Rick,
No.
Don’t moderate comments
Switch to WordPress
any other suggestions Carlos?
Check your facts before you post them.
“This blog has always been about free speech, not about family values.”
Exactly. And since when did everything in the world have to revolve around children anyway?
Carlos, check out the number of comments on Random Pixels and you’ll see that no one leaves comments. You’ve probably had more comments in the past two weeks than he’s had all year.
According to StatBrain.com:
CarlosMiller.com – 4,476 visits/day with 385 sites linked
randompixels.blogspot.com- less than 10 visits/day with 24 sites linked
My own advice that you can take or leave: Don’t argue with kooks who aren’t at your level and who don’t want comments. Your site literally gets more hits in a day than that guy gets in a year. Don’t sweat it.
You might want to check with your associates, Carlos, because someone is. On all their stories. Including yours.
Just FYI, since you feel so strongly about the subject.
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Can I propose a beer summit?
SFL,
Heineken please.
Hey Carlos, saw this over at The Agitator; http://motorhomediaries.com/guilty-verdict/
I’ll drink to that.
Damage your “professional credibility” Carlos?
You have none.
Here’s what David Bernard wrote: ” This article has appeared in various forms over the weekend on NBCMIAMI.COM. The article is entitled “Hurricane Hype Has Begun”. It then went on to say Ana may or may not be a hurricane when in fact no one was ever forecasting Ana to be a hurricane. Aside from a few throw away lines about preparing, I couldn’t find any information that you could take away from that article and know what was really going on. It is a very, for lack of a better term, laissez-faire attitude about the whole thing.”
The article “has appeared in various forms” is what Bernard wrote. And: “for lack of a better term, laissez-faire attitude about the whole thing.”
That pretty much says all I need to know about your “professional credibility.”
I wrote “A story that was later edited several times after Bernard’s critique.”
The facts are this…you edited/revised your story several times for whatever reason.
I have made mistakes in the past and when I do I leave the story in its original form and add a correction: http://randompixels.blogspot.com/2008/12/miami-new-times-silent-on-its-o...
And as long as we’re on te subject, were you the one who fabricated the nun story?
@ John 3:13am
Kooks John?
Your grasp of the facts are on par with Carlos
While my site gets no where near the amount of traffic his blog does; it gets considerably more than 10 visits a day:
Total this year so far: 98,661
Average monthly: 9,866
Best month was August when I had a total of 24,317 page loads
wanna try again bright boy?
Bill,
Maybe you have difficulty understanding time references, but you insist that my article was edited several times after Bernard’s piece.
But even Bernard says the article was changed several times before he even penned his piece.
And I just explained that it was updated several times because the status of the hurricanes kept changing – something that is not uncommon for an online weather story.
As I said, it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The only people who had an issue with it were the meteorologists, which I can understand why (it would be as if someone takes a laissez-faire approach to photographers rights) and a couple of bloggers who really don’t like me anyway.
The nun story was before I started NBC Miami.
First you say this: “And I just explained that it was updated several times because the status of the hurricanes kept changing – something that is not uncommon for an online weather story.”
and then this: “I included a sentence where I poked fun at local meteorologists, which did not go over to well with some of the guys on the NBC weather team, so I removed it that same day.”
My policy is that I remove nothing!
If you write something then have “the balls” to stand behind what you write.
…and I’m still waiting for an answer on who fabricated the nun story.
Bill,
Yes, everything I said is true. I removed a sentence that I thought was funny – and still do – because some on the NBC weather team didn’t find the humor in it.
So I removed it to keep the peace. These are my co-workers, so the sentence wasn’t that important for me to cause divisions within my workplace.
On the other hand, you completely fabricated facts in your post. There is no evidence that the story was edited several times after Bernard’s piece ran.
You made it seem as if we were reacting to his story, which was not the case. He has the right to write what he wants, but it did not influence us into editing the story.
So when are you going to own up to that mistake?
As I said, the nun story was before my time, so I don’t know who was behind it.
and by the way….
you also wrote: ” It doesn’t even appear that CBS covered the [Juanes] protest (at least it didn’t come up on their site when I searched for it).”
Since you’re inexperienced in the Miami media scene Carlos, let me explain the dynamics.
Another protest by Miguel Saavedra is NOT NEWS!
Protests by 20 or 30 people in front of the Versailles Restaurant are indicative of nothing. Zero. Nada.
When you take pictures of those people all you are doing is taking pictures of people who shown up to HAVE THEIR PICTURES TAKEN.
Miguel Saavedra has no following outside of his tiny circle of syccphants.
I know, I’ve been covering news and have lived in this town a whole lot longer than you.
Bill,
There were 600 protesters at Versailles. It was the first time that Vigilia Mambisa got chased off the property.
The right-wingers were outnumbered by Cubans who disagreed with them.
That’s not news?
I was mistaken on the timeline.
I was reporting what Bernard wrote on his blog.
And just so you know, I have never seen or heard of a weatherman or journalist at any TV station in Miami criticize the content of another.
Apparently what you wrote was egregious enough to not only raise eyebrows among your colleagues, but bad enough to elicit a comment from a competitor. Unheard of in this town and speaks volumes about your “professioanl credibility.”
Just curious…did you complain to David Bernard.
What it comes down to is editing after the fact or not. I can’t stand when someone changes their blog post, why not just do a followup? I like the way the papers work, edit first then post, not post then edit later to suit your needs.
Bill,
No, I did not complain to Bernard. Why should I? He wrote his opinion.
And unlike you, he did not make up facts.
Marty,
Online stories get updated all the time. This is not newsprint where you have hours to write and report and edit the story before sending it to print.
Sometimes you write a breaking story as it happens and update it as it goes.
I don’t make up facts. I think I said I was mistaken about the timeline.
But unlike the people at NBC6 who revise strories because they have “no balls” or just outright make up stories, I stand behind eberything I write and admit mistakes.
OK, Carlos….you need to step away from the computer and go outside and take a walk. Get some fresh air.
I’m not talking about updating.
I’m talking about deleting material because you’re afraid of offending someone.
In some circles that’s known having “no balls.”
Call it what you want, Bill.
I call it picking my battles. I happen to like my job. And I know I piss enough people off with my writing then to start pissing people off within my job.
I might be stubborn, but I’m not stupid.
I work for one of the largest media companies in the world. I have loads of opportunity within that company.
Do you really think I’m stupid enough to burn bridges over a throwaway sentence about meteorologists hyping up hurricanes?
I have no shame about what I did. If I did, I would not be dedicating an entire post to this issue.
Fair enough..
But let’s not losr sight of my original post which was an appraisal of local TV station websites.
In my opinion, NBC Miami is the worst. It’s an ebarrasment to a station that was a pioneer in Miami broadcasting.
And it’s insulting to the readers it purports to serve.
as far as you revising your story … I’m still against that.
this is how legitimate new orgs correct things
scroll to bottom
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/arts/television/18appraisal.html?_r=1
You sound like a couple of grade A douche bags.
Bill,
NBC Miami is still very new. It was only launched in March.
And it is trying to do something a little different (which is what pioneers tend to do). It is still evolving.
While it’s true that its transition from the old NBC6 site has turned off many of the old viewers/readers, it has also gained many more readers that were not reading the site before.
And these are young readers, who are considered the future. Readers who don’t read newspapers or watch the TV news.
I wouldn’t underestimate the site because there is talent and resources behind it.
Cory,
Thanks for reading!
In the midst of all this, the debate over updating a post and changing a post is an important one.
The old school way would be to do an update post – keep the original.
But I would argue, the original will be on the internet forever always with the wrong facts in the post (wrong because of changing developments or typos or mistakes, whatever).
In many or most cases, I think it is better to make the original post as accurate as possible – that’s a strength with online publishing. It’s not a permanent mistake like print. And you can respond to crowdsourced updates and corrections.
Carlos! Just wrote it for fun… Cheers my friend! LOL!
But you were right, Cory!
this Bill fella sounds like a whiny bitch who is envious that Carlos has the job he wanted. Bill, you should take your deflated ball and go home to mommy, because you sound like a jealous little turd.
Rick,
I really don’t know what NBC Miami’s moderation policy has to do with any of this, but I can assure you that I wouldn’t even know how to delete a comment, even if I had to and I’m an editor there.
I did under the old system but this new system is a little different.
Besides, the comments go up minutes after you post them, not 12 hours later.
“Since you’re inexperienced in the Miami media scene Carlos, let me explain the dynamics.
Another protest by Miguel Saavedra is NOT NEWS!
Protests by 20 or 30 people in front of the Versailles Restaurant are indicative of nothing. Zero. Nada.
When you take pictures of those people all you are doing is taking pictures of people who shown up to HAVE THEIR PICTURES TAKEN.
Miguel Saavedra has no following outside of his tiny circle of syccphants.
I know, I’ve been covering news and have lived in this town a whole lot longer than you.”
It is this attitude of complacency that is causing the demise of newspapers.
So you’re older than me. Is that all you got?
How are you different than all those crazy Mambisa people claiming to yesteryear?
I’m born and raised in this town. I am bi-cultural. I’ve seen this town go through many changes.
I remember the cracker Miami, lived through the Cubanization of Miami and immerse myself in the current multiculturalism of Miami.
Rather than just assume how things are, I go out and find out what’s really going on.
I am not clinging to a past that was. I am moving into the future that will be.
Matt,
Bill has always had an issue with me. Him and Rick. My fellow liberals.
Meanwhile, the local conservative bloggers who don’t agree with any of my politics have always respected and supported my cause.
Go figure.
“Since you’re inexperienced in the Miami media scene Carlos, let me explain the dynamics.
“Another protest by Miguel Saavedra is NOT NEWS!”
Aw, the old media people still think they get to define what news is for everyone else. How precious!
SO BORED!!!
Carlos, take a look at your left sidebar and see how unfair I’ve been with you over the years. I don’t agree with you 100% of the time and I definitely don’t appreciate your crusade against cops, but I’ve always called them like I’ve seen them, both good and bad.
I never considered you to be think-skinned, but, really, taking someone on because they don’t post your comments? Seriously….
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Rick,
This is not just about having my comment withheld, it’s about clearing up some inaccuracies he made about an article I had written.
If he is going to tout himself as the media watchdog in Miami, then he should at least get his facts right.
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