Pixiq

Thanks for reporting on this one, Carlos. I would have if I had time, but I just don’t right now.

It might be worth noting, however, that the involvement of the DOJ isn’t necessarily comforting considering they lost the last excessive force case they took on against a King County deputy and that was even with the testimony of other deputies verifying the excessive force.

The prosecutors are skittish because they’ve had a horrible record taking King County cops to court as well, juries here are very deferential towards the police historically.

As for the paid leave bit, the KCSO has no choice in that because of the state laws that protect cops and the union agreements that dictate the processes by which the sheriff has to go about to discipline cops.

That’s not just here though, just look at the Abbate case, he’s still a cop too and may continue to be so even if the CPD wants to get rid of him because firing him isn’t up to them. That’s up to a review board and those are usually packed with fellow cops and ex-cops.

Not to say the sheriff doesn’t have some blame here as well by not pulling Schene off the streets in some other way before this, but it is important to note the nuances here because it shows how difficult it is to do anything about cops like Schene here in King County.

The system works to protect bad cops here, that’s something that needs to be understood if there’s any hopes to change that.

Is the girl still being charged with assault?

Thugs understand only one thing. Force. So, use your rights. This guy does, and also has great video of exercising his rights:

http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenCarryNH

“paid administrative leave”…puke!

Rob, I believe those charges were dropped by the prosecutor because of the tape, but I’m not certain, can’t do searches on court records to verify since she’s a minor.

It’s unbelievable to think that anyone in their right mind or with any sort of moral compass would think that the girl caused him injury and pain, or that the officer responded with anything close to a reasonable amount of force, not that the situation required any in the first place.

The Prosecutor who tried/trying to charge that girl with third degree assault should be ashamed.

It’s good to see the Justice Department step up and make sure this thug does some time.

Viciously beating a 15-year-old girl and shooting someone in the back 11 times. What a guy.

Zazk S,

I would have beat the little hood as well for attacking me.

He never shot anyone in the back. The officer should sue your for libel (he would win). Hopefull you have some money that he canb take from you in a law suit.

George

Your comment reminds me of Bruce Lee’s statement about people breaking boards with their hands,”Boards don’t hit back.”

Of course any given board is a lot smarter than you are-which is demonstrably true so don’t bother suing me.

If you beat the little hood you too would possibly be looking at 3 years in a pound you in the ass federal prison and who knows? That could be a step up.

Nope, very little would happen becasue I am not a cop. If I as a civilian were to do the same thing, I would probably be looking at probation. If it was a white man, probably there would be no charges against me.

This officer’s life and his family’s life has been threatened by people on the internet, and none of those people have been prosecuted….a man from NJ was just arrested for theatening three federal judges and was not even allowed bail.

Why would they not prosecute people threating the officer and his family?

I am quite dissapointed that the DOJ spend so much time worry about the rights of Blacks and very little worryng the rights of white people.

“I’ve had cops tell me to not take pictures at a news event before. I didn’t stop, didn’t even bother to give them a response, and guess what? They couldn’t and didn’t do anything to me.

Funny that way.”

I doubt you did anything. Probably whimpered away silently. Tough talk, no actions. How many times have you been to jail?

@George

I kept taking pictures, which is a lot more than anonymously posting insults on a blog somewhere like you, Georgie.

Michaelk42,

Are you a perverted homo? Just curious.

@George

Oh, and I’ve been known to

http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/3471574483/

take a vid or picture

http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/2419920960/

or two

http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/141240153/

in the past.

Speaking of all talk and no action, where’s anything to back up your claims of prowess, George?

(You seem awfully fixated on the homosexuality thing. You sure there’s not some self-hatred going on there?)

I really feel bad for this guys girlfriend/wife (or boyfriend/husband… in the 6 civilized states). I bet she has caught a beating or two.

This is truly sad.

Благодарю, пост действительно толково написан и по делу, есть что почерпнуть.

I’d like to tell Deputy Paul Schene, if he is reading this, How would you feel if that girl was your daughter, I think you are getting everything you deserve, what go’s around comes around, I dont feel sorry for you at all, we trusted you, the people of king county trusted you to be a responsible Deputy, you are a disgrace for all officers who do there job right and honest. It pleases me to know you will never work as an officer ever again. I hope they throw the book at you. good luck, Mybe you be able to get a job as an unarm night security guard job at mall or something.

observe the officer being hurt by the tennis shoe and he is being paid? how wrong is this? and he is being paid for this? how wrong is that. then we have a cop that actually steps up and tells the truth and then he gets FIRED!! how is it that one truthfull cop gets fired and then the one cop that beats a young girl, gets pulled over for a DUI, shots a mentally ill man actually gets paid!!!! wow its amazing to live in a county like this….

Michaelk42 the AH wrote,

“….. shooting someone in the back 11 times. What a guy.”

Your statement is libelous: the officer never shot anyone on the back. He shot Pedro Jo in the chest. You probably would have shot Pedro Jo as well given the circumstances of the shooting.

Michaelk42 the AH wrote,

Hey, the officer may be sued: but there are quite a number of people, like you, who have made libelous statements regarding the officer: I would imagine he could return the favor and sue you. Hopefully you have some significant assets he can have the court relieve you of. Hey, if I didn’t have a job but had a decent knowledge of the law and was in his shoes, I would go pro-per (represent myself) and come after each and every one of you in the civil court. You don’t need a lawyer to go to court.

The officer and his family have been repeatedly threatened on the internet and those threats, in particular because he is a peace officer, are also a crime. The feds recently arrested a man in NJ for threatening the life of federal judges and he may not post bond and may see 10 years in prision. Again, with no job and plenty of time on his hands bringing those threats to the attention of the authorities would likely result in at least some prosecutions and some of you internet sweeties doing time your selves. I would also assume that he would have grounds to sue the web sites and writers in civil court as well.

@Geortge/George

AH? What, can’t even type out a proper insult on the internet?

You may not need a lawyer, but a proper knowledge of defamation law and the standards involved (especially actual malice) sure would be handy.

I’m also fortunate enough to live in Indiana, where we have a very good anti-SLAPP law. You might want to look into that.

(“are also a crime” – internet threats are a crime, but defamation is civil. No also there.)

I think you should have a look at Packratt’s site if you want to know what really happens with actual threats against officers vs. against non-officers. http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=192

“I would also assume that he would have grounds to sue the web sites and writers in civil court as well.”

Section 230 immunity.

Yeah George, given your lack of understanding of these things, I don’t think anyone actually has anything to worry about. As with most anonymous internet posters yapping about libel suit threats, you clearly don’t really know what you’re talking about.

George or Geortge, whatever,
Schene did fire into Pedro Jo 11 times while Jo was reaching into or in the passenger seat of his car. Whether all or any went in through his back I couldn’t find, but it was implied that Jo’s back was turned for at least one volley. I do believe Schene had reason to fear for his life given the preceding fight. He did have contusions and a bite mark to back up his report of the fight.

Death threats are wrong period, but there is a double standard where officers who make them are too often slapped on the wrist, or the threats are ignored entirely. Behind the Blue Wall and Whatever Happened to Serve and Protect has documented numerous cases.

Anyone that would beat on a 15 year-old girl because she was mouthy and kicked a shoe at him isn’t a man. You would fall into that category, given your willingness to beat on her. A citizen videotaped doing what Schene did would be prosecuted, but doesn’t have the same responsibility that Schene has because she was in his custody. Schene deserves some time in jail or prison for this one.

Finally, overall I would label your comments with the word “asinine”. Have a good day.

Just to let everyone know, the kick-in-the-head in El Monte is now being investigated by the FBI for civil rights violation. Will prove interesting however it goes. Found this at Blue Must be True, his link is to the LAT for the story.

that thug schene is a danger to the whole society. he should watch his back too after wat he has done. never know someone might pull a trigger

Mutt #16,

And if someone did I would be all in favor of them spending their entire miserable life in prison. I don’t like thugs, in blue or any other color.

Dear George,

This is a threat.

Sue me,
Chris Martin

Where is the proportionality here? Where is the equal justice under the law? Chris Brown beats his girl friend, Rhianna, so badly that she has significant injuries and requires hospitalization. He is charged with felony assault and gets only probation and no time.

A King county deputy is charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault, where there are no injuries, and you think he should be put away for years? That does not sound like equal justice under the law to me. Where is the justice here? Where is the proportionality?

Very few people who are charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault do time: why should the deputy be treated any differently?

You’re funny, George. You bring up “proportionality”, but overlook the fact that the girl flipped a shoe (ooooh, scary nija footwear!) and got a 3rd degree (felony) assault charge, while the thug slammed her into the wall, threw her onto the concrete floor, and punched her twice as she was being held down, with help from a colleague only got a 4th degree (misdemeanor) charge. Very proportional, oh my, yes! I suspect she was even told to remove the shoe, to boot.

“Kid…we don’t want any hangin’s”
- Officer Obie, Alice’s Restaurant

To protect himself from those vicious, killer shoes, all he would have had to do is /close the door/. Instead, said thug beat up a little girl. Whooo-hooo! Macho, macho cop! He wants to be a macho cop!

Tell me, do you favor sumary beat-downs for anyone who doesn’t treat cops like nobility? Do you believe that cops are above their fellow-citizens, and have the right to deliver punishments for any and all crimes? If so, why do we have juries? Judge Dredd can just convict you on site, and shoot you, if he’s having a bad day…

“You will RESPECT my authoriTAH!”
- Officer Cartman

Nemo,

You completely dodged my issue and presented a strawman.

The tactic of intellectual cowards.

George

Christopher Martin,

You made no threat. But you do make a joke of the actual threats against the officer and his family.

Would you think it is OK if someone hurt his children or his parents, or his wife? Or even killed them? Do you think it is OK if someone actually killed the officer as they have threatened?

The people who made threats should be punished to the full extent of the law…and that would mean hard time.

George

@George

No, Nemo didn’t dodge anything. He brought up a point that was relevant and made sense… unlike your comparison.

Do you really want to equate an officer with a douchebag pop start that beats his girlfriend? Are you trying to say that if a famous person gets away with doing something wrong, the cop should too? You make no sense.

Nemo on the other hand, very appropriately questions why the child was charged with a felony for her shoe harmlessly impacting the officer, while the officer is only charged with misdemeanor for viciously beating a child.

Perhaps you should address that lack of proportionality, George.

As for the soon-to-be-former Deputy Schene suing anyone, I suspect his list of priorities looks something like:

1. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
2. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
3. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
4. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
5. Oh God please keep me out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
6. Don’t let them find out I beat up a teenage girl
7. Eggs, milk, butter
…
11. Sue random people on internet that said bad things about me, even if those things were true

Can’t be sure though. The suing part might be lower, for instance.

Michael:

Thanks for demonstrating that an intelligent person can read my post and get my points.

Regarding your post, though, don’t you think the list might be:

Step 1: Stay out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!

Just sayin’

I am absolutely making a comparison between Chris brown’s crime and the officers’ action and I am saying that Chris brown’s crime (assuming the officer were convicted, which is still not a certainty) is far worse primarily because of the injuries that Rhianna sustained. The 15 year old sustained no injuries that required medical treatment. Even the King County prosecutor’s office says the law would only support a charge of 4th degree assault given that there were no injuries. Do you believe an officer should be treated any more severely under the law than you or I as a regular citizen?

Most patrol officers are pretty good fighters and I assume that if the officer really wanted to hurt the girl, it would have been pretty easy for him to do so. The fact that he did not hurt her suggests to me that he never intended to. I have trained martial arts for many years and when my martial arts buddies have gotten into self defense situations, they never last more than 2 seconds and the attacker is left disabled, typically unconscious or with one or more broken bones. It really is quite effortless for those of us with training. I also have many cops in my family.

I am not sure why people think hitting a woman or girl is a big deal: My personal view if you are woman enough to attack someone, responding in self defense is perfectly appropriate even if the women gets hurt.

There were two women who really hurt me in martial arts class (on purpose I believe) and I beat both their butts really hard in response and I rather enjoyed it, thank you. I did much worse than what the officer did, but given it was in a martial arts class “fighting” setting it is sort of expected that people get hurt occasionally. The women were taking advantage of the fact that they thought I would respect their “femininity”, and they were quite shocked when I responded they way I did: Probably the first good ass beating they ever had. I was happy to give it to them!

George:

You brought “proportion” into the matter. The kid harmlessly flipped a sneaker at the cop, and he beat on her needlessly. The fact that the child needed no medical attention is less relevant than the fact that the cop needed even less medical attention.

In your case, the point is that you believe that cops should be allowed to whip up on /anyone/, at the slightest provocation – e.i. that cops are a “master class”, with special dispensation to use physical violence to enforce /their will/ (NOT the law) upon their fellow-citizens.

Where the women you whipped up on in your martial arts class as skilled and as big as you? Were they 15 years old?

Talk about strawmen, comparing (presumably) adult women in a controlled setting to a child not expecting to be attacked.

But that’s George’s lesson, is it not? Be perfectly behaved, or the cops will beat the crap out of you, and George will cheer them on. Best be obeyin’ Massa’ in Blue, y’all. Civil rights are a joke, to George and his ilk.

Feh!

Uh, George, I’m not impressed with how you beat up two women in a dojo. In fact, it’s really pretty shameful, whether women or men. In both the Aikido and Shuri dojos I attended, the sensei would have “helped” you further refine your techniques.

Nemo #27, I think you summed up George well.

“Where the women you whipped up on in your martial arts class as skilled and as big as you? Were they 15 years old? ”

They were both average size and I would guess one was around 17-19 and the other, mid 20′s. They out ranked me and supposedly were more skilled. It would not have made any difference to me if it was a 15 year old girl or a 300 pound man: If you are willing to hurt me, I will whip your ass in response. I seem to recall that the instructor made me do 50 pushups as punishment: it was worth it!!

Ariel: It is amazing to me how few martial artists have actually used their skills in a real fight. It is a real confidence builder! Ariel: have you ever actually been in a real fight? After having been bullied as a younger child (the reason I studied martial arts) I was amazed that after about 1 year of study I could actually take someone down pretty much at will and w/o exerting any significant effort to do so. I have knocked 3 men unconscious with a single reverse punch, all who out weighed me significantly and were taller

George #29,

You’re so wrongheaded, I’m near speechless. OK, I’m never really speechless. First, I am going to recommend some reading: “Moving Toward Stillness” by Lowry; Hyams’ “Zen in the Martial Arts”; Morgan’s “Living the Martial Way”; Deshimaru’s “The Zen Way to the Martial Arts”; and Westbrook/Ratti “Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere”. Why?, because you are really missing the point, the philosophy of Martial Arts. If you do it for ego-gratification you will end up: in jail; legal-fee’d/sued out of existence; or finding the guy that will clean your clock good. Violence is a last resort. Period. Which is why very few ever have to use it. Ever. The sensei was telling you something with those 50 push-ups that you didn’t hear.

As for me, one and it was a draw in your parlance. It was when I was young, in Aikido, and I simply kept him off-balance and unable to hit me or grab me. He gave up. I’ve been in the worst areas of Oakland, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, etc., and either talked myself out of a fight, or, in Oakland, had a very large black guy tell the three kids that ringed me “touch the white boy and you’ll have to deal with me”. No fight. Awareness and avoidance are the first thing you are taught. Heed the lesson.

The only near death situation I have been in worth a fight was at a Burger King in the Verde Valley. The children’s area had only one exit/entrance, and that was into the main area. They had locked the other two exits for safety. I was there with my kids and my wife was getting the food. Some idiot gets into a fight with a server, and goes out to get his gun. My wife brings in the food, tells me, and I send her back through the entrance and out the exit farthest from where the guy was. I and another guy hand every kid, his and mine, over the block wall to her, telling her to take them as far away as possible. He and I prepared to go in if necessary (his wife was still with us). The idiot did get his gun and did start to come in, but sirens stopped him. No fight.

One more thing, the best practical use I ever had from any martial arts training? When I had my youngest baby daughter in my arms, turned to take her into bed, and found I had locked both legs against the coffee table. I was going face first over the coffee table with her in my arms. I pushed off as best I could, turned in mid air and landed on my back on the hard floor, she never woke up. But my wife had to help me up.

Am I some big time martial artist? Nope. Put in about four years total for three different arts. Years ago. That’s it, besides all the reading I’ve put in. And that one fall was worth every minute. And worth the two torn rotator cuffs, the displaced tail bone, and my wrists.

George,

Why do I get the feeling that if you had an issue with me, you wouldn’t be able to deal with it as physically as you did with those women unless you had a gun or a weapon or friends?

Ariel,

Appreciate your input. We are products of our past in many ways, and given that I was hurt more times than I can count in school bullying. I have actually backed down from many confrontations. I find it rather ironic, that the people I backed down from had no idea how severely they would be damaged if they actually did attack me. I don’t look for fights and I will act meek and weak to avoid one (I actually stand shorter and slump my shoulders to look less threatening and I avoid eye contact): I also use that “I am weak posture” to lull the attacker into underestimating me and in the event of an attack, the attacker will not have his/her guard up which has always allowed me to take the attacker out with one or two well focused strikes that they were never expecting.

My philosophy is “avoid the fight if possible” , I have avoid many more than I have engaged in, but when it actually goes down, use a blitzkrieg approach to disable the attacker.

• Why do I get the feeling that if you had an issue with me, you wouldn’t be able to deal with it as physically as you did with those women unless you had a gun or a weapon or friends?”

Carlos that is really an idiotic statement. You don’t know me and I don’t know you, and it is highly unlikely I would ever have an issue with you that would lead to a fight.

These “Women” were second and third degree Black belts and could beat the ass of almost any man they came across. They were not push overs: they could probably beat your ass. One of these women was being taunted by a construction worker who said no women could beat him: She challenged him to a cage match and she knocked the big burley construction worker unconscious in about 2 seconds with a round house kick.

I do not share the view that somehow a women is not an appropriate candidate for an ass beating if she is threatening me. I grant no gender preference and I would beat a woman attackers ass as quickly as I would a male attacker.

By the way, I think that Latin Machismo is an idiotic and out dated value system.

In this case, cop is a complete animal. He totally knocks a girl half his size to the ground and proceeds to beat her. He should prepare himself for the booty calls in prison.

Carlos Miller,

What are you charged with that you need a legal defense fund?

Carlos Miller,

I hope they throw the full penalty at your sorry ass for interfering with the officers. Two – three years in the butt pounding slammer would be good. I think I’ll make a donation to the prosecutor so he has more resources with which to throw your ass in the clink.

Will you be seeking a Hispanic boy friend in the slammer?

Wow, bragging about beating up females and then making racist, homophobic statements to boot.

Stay classy George!

George,
To your proportionality points, I say:
(1) Bringing up Chris Brown is a strawman, but I’ll address it anyway: He should have received a far harsher sentence than he got.
(2) The teenage girl in this case should probably not have been charged with anything, and certainly not have been charged with anything more than the mildest misdemeanor possible.
(3) The officer in this case should have been charged with a more serious charge than the girl, possibly a felony, regardless of whether he left marks on her (and no, this has nothing to do with gender, size or skill, only with the fact that what he did to her was far more serious than what she did to him).

See, you’re arguing proportionality in sentencing based on what the officer and the girl were charged with, we are all arguing that they were DISPROPORTIONATELY CHARGED.

As to “self-defense”, I had occasion to be sitting in a courtroom waiting for a friend’s case and listening to another case. A man and his girlfriend were at a bar when another man started harassing the woman. The woman and her boyfriend headed out to their car, and the other man followed. The woman got into the car, at which point a fight broke out between the two men. Both were charged with assault. The boyfriend was claiming self-defense. The judge ruled against his self-defense claim based on the fact that he had opportunity to get in the car and leave, hence there was no need for violence to defend himself. I think the same would apply here. The LEO was not acting in self-defense because he could easily have defended himself by closing the door.

Further, I would say that you do not understand Ariel’s method of avoiding fights at all. I highly recommend that you spend a few years studying Aikido, preferably at a dojo associated with the World Aikido Headquarters (Aikikai) so that you may learn more reliable and effective ways of avoiding violence than pretending weakness and meekness.

I think George has pretty safely placed himself in the pre-teen troll classification. Not worth wasting our collective time on.

“Wow, bragging about beating up females and then making racist, homophobic statements to boot.
Stay classy George!”

What are you some sort of cave man? I think the anachronistic value of giving gender preference to women was declared null and void sometime around 1970.

Are you some kind of Chauvinistic moron? Do you actually assume because they are female that somehow they are weaker? I promise you, these women could beat most men in a fight and quite easily too. They would beat your ass with ease.

I believe in equal rights. I grant no gender preference: I say if a woman wants to fight like a man, she can get her ass beat like a man.

I would make absolutely no distinction. In fact, I’d probably give her an extra strike for good measure if I thought she was trying to curry favor because of her gender.

It is quite a shame that America has decided gay and lesbian perverts as normal. What a disgusting and unnatural life style!

George,

I don’t know what type of women you hang out with, but there are very few women who could beat me in a fight.

Not that I am mister tough guy or anything, it’s just that I am physically stronger than most women. That’s biological.

And you can call me a chauvinist all you want, but I’m actually a gentleman. I don’t advocate beating up women.

I guess that just shows how progressive you are.