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“tha’s not what the law is” -”I don’t care”. That pretty much sums it up right there.

Here was a police officer breaking the law by having his badge # covered up treating a law abiding citizen like a criminal. Why can’t these guys understand that we can be their enemy or we can be their ally. Geeze, it’d be great if we had nothing to show on U-Tube but videos of cops doing their jobs by they book, videos that could exonerate them when they’re falsely accused. In the mean time, maybe hell will freeze over.

California has no stop and identify law. The police officer had no right to demand the ID and Mr. Nee should have refused to give it.

That officer is a disgrace to both his current uniform, and the one he wore for two years in that desert.

Conduct unbecoming.

I congratulate Shawn Nee for, in the nicest way possible, pissing off the cop so much that he couldn’t form a coherent sentence. The cop was a total dick, and I agree with you William, he shouldn’t have given the officer his ID.

As far as the Vievu cam is concerned, for $900 you can buy 3 or four hidden cams, of equal or better quality, and a pocket dvr. $900 is a sucker’s deal.

Look at this roid-rage jerk. Went and slaughtered some people overseas for money, comes home to put on the pig suit.
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I live in Lancaster, PA — the city with the most Surveillance Cameras per capita. Funny how the cops LOVE the cameras that watch a citizen’s everyday activity — “if you not doing anything wrong, what do you care we’re photographing you,” they say — just don’t dare turn a camera on the cops! Does that mean, logically, that the cops ARE doing something wrong?

Was the guy a cop before his deployment? Or did he give up his job to go overseas (b/c he was mindf*cked) and upon his return the only paying position he could get was a cop job? Because maybe he’s bitter at being a cop, which sucks if it’s the only way he can put food on the table.

Not condoning his behavior, it just seems he was more frustrated (with life, in general) than anything else.

Can you give any links to sites that sell more affordable cameras? Thanks.

That is the oddest excuse I’ve ever heard from a cop on why he shouldn’t be photographed. “Citizen of this country”? So fricking what? What does that even mean? It’s not like the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution said that people cannot be photographed in public without permission.

I think that the cop probably is a dim bulb… It’s probably the only thing his mind could grasp as an excuse and then he just latched onto it. It’s very surprising to learn just how plain stupid some cops are. You have to treat them like children sometimes because they are so infantile.

I just did a google search for “wearable hidden camera” and came up with a bunch. Look at the top results.

The mans words are poetic, a true bard.

I don’t question his intelligence but as was suggested before, he may be suffering from PTSS (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome). OR, he may have not been properly trained! How many cops are on the street who have not recieved TRAINING concerning the constitutionality of photography in a public place? I’d venture to guess about 99%.

After seeing his reaction,
I would have to verify his service claim before believing him. Although I doubt he would give the information to make it happen.

The Vievu isn’t a hidden camera. If you need something cheap, just pick up a Flip. Those are pretty cheap.

@Rance, its not a suckers bet, its a government scam. The biggest cash cow out there is the government, sell to them and you’re golden — especially the ignorant and the lazy.

Hell, pick up a disposible HD recorder if your concerned about cost. It generally includes the cost of DVD transfer.
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Yeah I’m in Lancaster too, the cameras suck. At least its a non-profit running it and not the government. It is funny the difference, especially when talking about dash cams. They have no problem with that?

And don’t forget the excuse they tell us “If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.”

why officer if your doing nothing illegal and conducting yourself in a proper professional manner you should have no problem. ARE your doing something illegal. NO well then you should have no problem then. AM I being Detained? No then Am I free to go? Yes well then I will be going over here to continue to watch a public SERVANT do his Job in a professional manner. I do not consent to this conversation so unless you are detaining me I consider your pestering to be Harassment Leave me be I have nothing to say to you.

The Cop threatened to illegally “make him move”, the Cop also had the means to do so (a gun)….doesn’t that constitute assualt? Is Nee going to sue?

I’m sorry but this cop needs his ass kicked.
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We’re all Iraqis now.

To be accepted in the Marine Corp, you must be:

1. Strong as an Ox.

2. Twice as smart.

I know that this is splitting hairs, but it’s actually called PTSD, with the “D” standing for “Disorder”.

My brother was a Marine for over 8 1/2 years, so I hope that wasn’t meant to be an insult. He’s on the Dean’s List in college, and is the president of the Non-Traditional Students Organization at the college.

PTSS and PTSD are one in the same. Both are correct. Different doctors use different acronyms – it is all a matter of preference. One is not more correct than the other Shawn.

It was a joke… I was in the Navy for just over 6 years, and served with a bunch on Marines. If we weren’t joking with one another, and making fun of the other’s branch, we wouldn’t know what to do.

I’m going to go ahead and say that people like Shawn Nee AREN’T helping the “cause.” Yes, you can take photos in a public space, yes, you can do so legally. However, if someone asks you to not take their photo, then fucking stop. If a cop, while on duty, making a traffic stop says “Hey, you’re making me nervous, would you please move?” Move. Don’t try and be all “heroic” and all this bullshit. Just move.

Remember that childhood saying “treat others how you want to be treated”? Well, Shawn Nee found out that it’s true. Dude. You were a complete asshole to the cop, of course he’s going to wig out. Granted, it’s sad that he did, but when he says MOVE, and DON’T TAKE A PHOTO OF ME, then don’t take a photo and politely go about your way. You cannot interfere with police officers while they’re doing their job, and that’s what you were doing–Trust me, I’ve shot enough spot news to know what is and is not interference. If I was a cop in LA, and some bloke decides to sit behind me while I conduct a traffic stop, I’d be nervous, too.

Yeah, his “I’m a citizen of this country” plea was total crap, but so was your “waaaa I’m a photographer” bullshit. I’ve been stopped by police on multiple occasions and surprisingly (it’s because I know how to act), I’ve NEVER had this kind of shit go down. You guys are RUINING photography for everyone who isn’t a giant asshole. Our rights are important, but so is not being as bad as “them.”

“You cannot interfere with police officers while they’re doing their job, and that’s what you were doing–Trust me, I’ve shot enough spot news to know what is and is not interference.”

Then you should’ve been able to clearly see that Nee was NOT interfering with the officer. The cop just had a hair up his butt and made an issue where there really was none.

It’s interference because he serves as a distraction to the officer from doing his job. The cop and Mr. Nee both at fault, don’t try and left up Nee’s action on a silver platter.
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Oh come on Sean! Get real. The officer ALLOWED himself to get distracted, he clearly wanted to assert his dominance (“I’m the alpha male here.”). There are ten thousand and one “distractions” on the street of any major city and having a camera pointed your way is just one of them. Cops are able to maintain their cool or they’re not, and those in the latter catagory need to look into another career field.

Rusty, you have got to realize the amount of pressure a cop deals with, only to be antagonized by asshole people not unlike Shawn Nee. This wasn’t a battle of photo law and freedom versus the tyranny of the police officer who cruelly dishes out punishment as he sees fit, this was a battle of whose dick is bigger, who’s the bigger asshole.

That officer’s name is Espinosa. Find his station and make the complaint. He displayed atrocious tact and tactics. He is a total idiot.

Hence my comment about the alpha male.

If Nee has not done so already then shame on him.

So you then agree that Nee was being a big asshole, vying for bigger dick status, thus claiming to be the alpha male, right? Then why are you bitching only at the police officer. There’s a difference between being legally right and morally right. Surprisingly, you can be both. Unsurprisingly, Nee wasn’t. Hence going back to my original comment. People like him aren’t helping “the cause”

Sean, ya gotta go back onto your meds man!

So clever, Rusty! You’re so funny, how could I ever have disagreed with you. I’ll just go back to my ignorant photographic ways, silly me, not knowing how to conduct myself when talking to police officers! I now understand I have to prove I’m the big dick, the alpha male!

The officer shouldn’t have interacted with the photographer at all.

When someone violates my constitutional rights i tend to get a little bitchy as well. I wouldn’t repeat myself as much as either of those two did, but then again, i have hung out with cops and know their mentality so i know how to talk to them.

I’m a little sad that this happened in my backyard, though.

“The officer shouldn’t have interacted with the photographer at all.”

EXACTLY! There was no need for him to initiate contact because the guy was not breaking the law, it ain’t thermonuclear science.

Here’s a bunch of cheap cameras. Dealextreme is heaven for this type of gadgets. Check reviews and user videos to get a good feel about the product quality.

http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.812~page.1

You’re right! It isn’t! The officer didn’t NEED to, but why WOULDN’T you further investigate suspicious activity? If you don’t, you could get seriously hurt.

In case you were wondering, suspicious activity isn’t that Shawn Nee was taking photos, it’s that he stopped right behind the cops and stood there before snapping his picture and both of them having their freak out. It’s suspicious enough to warrant a “hey, I don’t feel comfortable, please move.” It’s from that point that both the cop and Mr. Nee both took things way out of hand.

Sean, your whole position is untenable. It’s based on the notion that taking photos of a police officer is “suspicious”. Man, there’s just a ton of cognitive dissonance here.

The Marines are a department of the Navy. The Men’s department.

Rusty, you’re missing the point. The photographing of an officer isn’t suspicious, the hanging out, sitting around, especially behind the police officer is suspicious. Before Nee and the officer started jerking off at each other, Nee was being suspicious and a jerk. Man, is there anyway to get this through your head?

Sean, are you going to be a high school freshman next Fall?

“Suspicious”. By your standards scratch’n yer balls is “suspicious”. If you’re paranoid then every thing anybody else does is “suspicious”. A lot of cops think its “suspicious” if a black person drives through town after sunset. Actually the bar is higher than that, they are required to have “reasonable suspicion” that a person has commited a crime, is committing a crime, or is going to committ a crime before they can detain a person. AND, that reasonible suspicion must be based on articulable facts (yes “facts”, plural, I’ve read Earl Warrens words when the SCOTUS handed down the decision). So, this malarky that some guy is behaving “suspiciously” by taking a photograph of a police officer (whether his back is turned or not) is a big crock of brown stinky bovine gravy. You’ll be able to sell your silly ideas to your fellow students in your high school Civics course but you’ve got to do better than that in this venue.

What an over-inflated sense of entitlement the cops seems to have – I’m curious, does my six plus years of being out here trump his two?
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Oh Rusty, you are being SO bull-headed, and, as per usual with people who claim to be fighting for “photo rights!” Your comments are obnoxious and one-sided, close-minded. I’ll say it again, taking a photo of a cop is NOT suspicious. I didn’t say it was. The way he was acting BEFOREHAND was. It’s his bull-headed actions AFTER that aren’t suspicious but are just the problem that gives photographers a bad name. Don’t go out with all intentions to pick a fight with a cop. It’s stupid, you will lose. Surprisingly, if you treat a cop with respect (for the most part, they will reciprocate, this coming from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.)

If photogs quit being obnoxious pricks, we’d get our point across better. Trust me, I know all about the law in regards to photography, especially when it comes to privacy rights, I have to, because being a photojournalist, I always run the risk of being stopped by any number of people–cops or otherwise. Don’t pull that “your silly argument might work in high school” crap, that’s a BS cop-out. Oh, and I’m not in high school–photography is how I actually make my income.

You can’t just say “I’M ANGRY BECAUSE I’M UPSET BECAUSE THE LAW IS AGAINST ME, but thankfully I’m surrounded by people who feel exactly like me, so thankfully I can just bitch and moan,” it won’t work (not even in civics class), it’s not going to do anything for the greater good–and isn’t that what we’re all fighting for? To improve how we, as photographers, are viewed, are treated, how the laws affect us? Bitching and moaning won’t do it.

Sean, its past your bed time.

Aww poor Rusty can’t think up a better retort?
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Try this one. You are officially on my ignore list.