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We all know the LAPD will claim he was fighting them and they had to, I love the part with the dog, cop getting the dog to bite him. these fat LAPD cops need to arrest and held in gen pop for a while..

I hope this guy sue the hell out of them

this is why cops hate cameras and video cameras,

This is cut and dried: These cops MUST be fired and charged with a crime.

It wasn’t an LAPD officer. It was an El Monte PD officer.
http://tinyurl.com/q2rakr

Thanks, Jay. Just corrected it.

Isn’t it obvious? He was obviously resisting, reaching for a weapon and failing to comply with a lawful order. The perp obviously deserved a boot to the head.

Wow… What an idiot for running from the cops… But for that one cop to come up and kick him full on in his head… It looked like he knocked the guy out for a moment. That was insanely stupid.

A sudden and unexpected blow is necessary to stun a violent suspect like this before cuffing. This is standard procedure. There’s nothing wrong here.

Jason, I really hope you’re being sarcastic. The guy RAN from the police. He willingly surrendered, spread out completely, and got kicked in the head?

Like sickntired said, it’s exactly why cops hate cameras. Because now, the report can’t say something like, “Suspect was uncoopertive and resisted, so we used force”. But, these cops will get a slap on the wrist.

The comments at the link Jay provided are frightening.

If another fire breaks out in California tonight, it might be due to all the straw men in the comments over there.

Chuck: First, public polling isn’t relevant to whether this was or wasn’t excessive force. Second, there aren’t many “cop bashers” in this particular thread. Third, if you think the kick to the head was a “serious action to stop violent animals” well, that’s at least pertinent to this discussion, although I think you’re clearly wrong.

The straw men you’ve set up are interesting in what they show about you, but have nothing to do with my discussions of this incident.

Oh, and the “drove on the sidewalk” bit was known early, and in early reports. I think the video may even mention it.

Regarding Chuck’s post: He’s used the term “cop bashers”. Sigh. Another beast of the field. See my remarks in post 92. They apply to Chuck as well as to LR.

Chuck, LR, and their friends are assigning motives without evidence. They’re “working backwards”. LEOs can’t be wrong, so people who criticize LEOs, no matter what the LEOs do, must be wrong. They must be “clowns”, “cop haters”, or “cop bashers”.

It’s not about who’s right or wrong in this particular case. It’s about the simple ability to reason forwards as opposed to backwards.

#98 was addressed to VOR. Damn I’m getting sloppy.

Jones, this is a mark down too because we actually agree. I do believe that so-called SOP of a head kick needs to go, though. There was a total of 10 seconds from prone position to backup, 7 seconds from head kick to backup, and zero seconds from dead if the LEO had kicked that scumbag in the temple. And reasonable force would have evaporated.

Chuck,

You need to ask a Guatemalan about what they think regarding Mexico’s “weak police”, especially the Federales. You’re mistaking corruption for weak. IIRC the Bloods and the Crips gave LA metro cops a tough time too. Money is power and the cartels have way too much of both.

I’ve had my car searched by Federales outside of Hermosillo. They use automatic weapons and point them with purpose. I’m glad that the lead Federale was a good guy. Teasing and rather funny in a threatening way.

I have LEOs in my family. I don’t hate cops. But I see a need for some change, an end to bad practices.

Note to Ariel:

You said, Yep, even linear algebra can’t fully describe people and their political/social beliefs. But terms such as “conservative” and “liberal” fail miserably, as does “left” and “right”… I see them as more epithets of abuse now given how they’re used as bludgeons.

You’re definitely not a fan of these terms. I understand that. I’ll try to keep this in mind, but it’ll depend on what I’m writing about. The “spectrum” doesn’t work for my purposes. I’ve offered some thoughts on the matter a few paragraphs further down.

You also said, There are quite a few self-described liberals or leftists who do just that regarding their sacred cows too. They are just as “kneejerk” or “reactionary”.

Yes, this is absolutely correct. In fact, brain scans have confirmed (or at least tended to confirm) that the brain literally stops reasoning when the triggers I’ve referred to previously go off. This applies to “partisan” brains on both “sides”. I haven’t pulled the things that I’ve said out of thin air.

The possibly controversial point that I brought up earlier is that people who fall into a loosely-defined group that might be referred to as “conservatives” have a greater tendency to do this. In fact, depending on exactly what you’re measuring, the ratio is about four to one.

You added, I use the spectrum as a better approximation than left-right or liberal-conservative. Not perfect, admittedly.

The problem is that the spectrum doesn’t work. There’s individuals on this site who are clearly “conservative” (as the general population understands the term) in some respects and “liberal” in others. It’s not a range, and (as I pointed out earlier) it’s not the 2D plane used by libertarians either.

The best way to go might be to focus on specific triggers. There are irrational “cop bashers”. LR and Chuck used similar terms carelessly, and I criticized them for it. However, “cop bashers” do exist. There’s irrational “LEO apologists” too. Irrational gun lovers and gun haters. Irrational Bush lovers and Bush haters. Is anybody going to contradict these simple facts?

Incidentally, I hate Bush, but I’m not a “Bush hater”, because I’ve researched the man. I know what he’s done. I’ve reached my conclusions rationally. “Bush lovers” and “Bush haters” don’t think rationally. They work backwards. That’s one of the points that I’ve been trying to make since I’ve arrived at this site. It’s not about Bush per se. It’s that people work backwards.

You said, I’ve seen animals. They come in all stripes.

I’ve used the terms animals and beasts of the field to describe the reasoning power that people sometimes display. People are superior to animals, but they’re not that superior.

If somebody can’t reason forward, I don’t believe that their life is totally worthless, but they certainly aren’t much more significant than a cow or a dog. Any number of people would agree with me about the latter point. A good dog is worth a lot more than a mediocre person.

You closed with, Both of us need to stop being so long-winded. I’m sure Carlos would appreciate it.

Why? If I may speak bluntly, this is good sh**. Did you see what Mr. Chamness said about my posts earlier today on an old thread? I won’t repeat it, because he’s exaggerating. However, we might be doing some good here.

As far as Mr. Miller goes, he’s apparently O.K. with “War and Peace”-length posts. He’d like to see posts that are polite and coherent. He also likes proper formatting; i.e., paragraph breaks. I’ve met all of those criteria at times, though I certainly haven’t met them all of the time.  

In my opinion, it comes down to time and energy constraints. I couldn’t post much this week due to illness. I’m able to post today, so I’ve had some fun with it. If I’ve entertained anybody, that’s good too. If you’re tired yourself, don’t respond. I probably won’t write anything else until tomorrow anyway.

And if you believe that I’ve written long posts, well, you might be surprised to learn what I consider to be “long” works.

C’mon people, you just can’t run up and kick someone in the head when they’re lying spread eagle on the ground. That argument that he’s simply taking away the element of surprise has to be the most moronic trollish argument I’ve ever heard. Just ignore people who say that because they’re just seeking attention.

It’s easy to say “punk got what he deserved” when it’s some thug gang member no one gives a damn about, but the problem is that attitude is a disease that permeates the police force and spills over into their interactions with regular people. It creates a bully mentality that is not healthy.

If he “got what he deserved”, does that mean they aren’t going to arrest him? I mean, if the cops can punish him, then further punishment is illegal.

I must have missed the memo where cops are allowed to decide what the punishment is to be.

Seeing some of the statements here alleging that a kick to the head, even under the totality of the circumstances visible in the video, is considered SOP by any LE agency is not reflective at all of the reasonableness standard derived from Graham v. Connor.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=490&invol=386

That is the standard under which police use of force actions are judged.

Reading Graham v. Connor provides a good example of what happens when officers fail to act reasonably, and in that particular case especially when mistaking an innocent person for a possible criminal suspect.

If LEOs are allowed to stray away from being reasonable in their force, even with someone as detestable as Richard Rodriguez, the result will be undeserving people severely injured.

Rodriquez may be deserving of some punishment but it is not up to the police to deliver it. Their job is to bring a suspect and evidence to a court of law and to use the minimum amount of force necessary to do so. Any force more than what is necessary to accomplish a lawful purpose is unreasonable.

There is no valid tactical argument for the kick to the head being legitimate in this particular incident (nor the kidney blows and what looks like a dog bite).

There was no resistance from Rodriquez at the time officers arrived. He became compliant, probably because he knew what police could legimitately do if he did actively resist.

Rodriguez tapped out and evidently some don’t want the fight to end with a tap out.

If you oppose what this cop did, you’re supporting the gangbanger. It’s that simple. You’d rather have the gangbanger win than the police. You’d rather the cop didn’t kick the gangbanger and the gangbanger injure the cop.

Your people’s hatred of police is obvious on this blog. Not just in this thread but in all of them.

No, Chuck, it isn’t that simple. No, I don’t want the cop hurt and I don’t want to see the gangbanger kicked in the head either. No, I don’t want to see the gangbanger win, I want him arrested and in jail. And a cop doesn’t “win” by using excessive force, it’s a long slow slide until he ends up suspended, fired, or a defendant. I don’t want to see that for the cop either.

Get a grip.

It’s called “playing dead” folks. Jason is 100% correct. It may appear to an untrained civilian that this man surrendered, but he can easily turn on the officers. Every officer knows this and many have personally witnessed “surrendered” suspects who turn out to have done anything but. This was a clean bust and what the officer did was both right and necessary.

This isn’t Snow White here the officers captured. This is a vicious criminal who already demonstrated his callous disregard for human life in his dangerous pursuit. That told the officers this man is highly dangerous.

VOR,

The problem with long-windedness on blogs is that we are in danger of becoming scroll over country, especially if we go too far OT.

Yeah, the spectrum only works when applied to pure political thoughts and actions. Tends to breakdown otherwise. Making it a 2D improves it, but it still breaks down. Too many variables. Triggers are good, but the set would be unmanageable with time as one of the dimensions.

Chuck,

Nothing could be further than the truth.

Most of us here want to see criminals prosecuted and put behind bars. In 99.999% cases, this can be done without kicking people in the head.

When the suspect in this case was kicked in the head, it probably made him 6 figures richer.

I don’t like to see taxpayer dollars being put in the hands of criminals, yet according to you, I’m the one who is supporting this gangbanger?

What the Law Enforcement Officers and their supporters in this post are either failing to realize, from either stupidity or ignorance, or are flat out refusing to acknowledge is that excessive force and police brutality needs to stop. It needs to stop even with the most horrible of criminals. If it doesn’t, the abuse will eventually be against innocent people. Police need to be held accountable for their actions, just like everyone else. That isn’t what they want though. That’s why photographers are often harrassed by LE, even SGs. Accountability.

Good police officers need to separate themselves from those who are corrupt, dishonest etc. It is that simple.

I’d like to hear jones, Chuck, or RL’s explanation for the jab to the ribs, or the possible dog bite. SOP?

“I guess with monikers like “10-8″ and “LEO”, we’re supposed to assume these people support law enforcement, but their rhetoric shows otherwise.”

If nothing else their rhetoric proves to me they are cops. It’s stereotypical cop think: “That’s why crime is rampant because people don’t fear cops any longer” Notice how he says “people” instead of criminals and how he thinks the solution is installing fear. Criminals don’t fear cops and good people don’t need them to control their behavior.

“So I’m not your typical naive police apologist who believes cops are only out to get the bad guys. I know many of them are bullying assholes.You see, no matter how often you tell yourself I am your little sheep, I am not. And you are not my sheepdog. I’m a grown man so I deserve respect. And if you respect me, I’ll respect you. But once you come along with that condescending sheepdog mentality, I’m going to put you in the same category as the jailhouse bully”

I’m with you on this one. But you won’t have to put them in that category, they do a fine job of putting themselves in it. http://www.bullyoffline.org/workbully/serial.htm Typical cops.

This condescending attitude from cops is not only offensive but ironic when you consider how many of them end up in jail for serious crimes!

I think # 105 sums it up the best as to why we should care what the cops do to some gang banger.

“It’s easy to say “punk got what he deserved” when it’s some thug gang member no one gives a damn about, but the problem is that attitude is a disease that permeates the police force and spills over into their interactions with regular people. It creates a bully mentality that is not healthy”

Not only regular citizens, but these pigs bring the violence home with them and terrorize their own wives and children. http://www.behindthebluewall.blogspot.com

There is just not point of reasoning with “Chuck” and some others here. I deal with people and police officers with his point of view all the time. You will never change their views until something like this happens to one of their innocent relative.
The officer in the video could have shutt Richard R. in the back after he was handcuffed and called it SOP and some people and most officers would probably agree with him….
A close friend of mine, a police officer for over 10 years, has the same character and views. Kick the suspect, hit the suspect, crack his head open on the curb, and asks questions later. As he himself put it many times, “Show him who is BOSS”. In his eyes everyone is guilty and needs to be punished. Maybe being a police officer in Baltimore City for so many years went to his head……………………. Unfortunately, I know many police officers with the same attitude and very few who know where to draw the line..
It is funny how their attitude and aggression spills out into their civilian lives, too. I play sports with many police officers and see exactly the same aggression and bullying on the field.

If you oppose what this cop did, you’re supporting the gangbanger. It’s that simple. You’d rather have the gangbanger win than the police. You’d rather the cop didn’t kick the gangbanger and the gangbanger injure the cop.

This whole “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” mentality is so passe.

I hear you can get $49 flights to Mexico. All you cop bashers should get yourself a ticket and fly down there ASAP. You’ll experience first hand what a society with weak police and strong gangs gets you, you want it so badly.

In other words, “America, love it or leave it.”

Chuck, you’re becoming a stereotype of cliches.

One more thing.
I would be happy is this guy is beaten every day for the rest of his live once he is found guilty and sent. by the judge and thrown into some max. security prison. However, not be a police officer on the street. They should be leading by example and as their training and experience should help them stay calm and in control in a situation like this. If people will continue to see videos like these, they will eventually have no respect for police officers and will never trust them….

Tom, the problem is this IS their training–they are trained to “one up” people. Add to this the fact that the profession attracts the worst (braindead bullies, egomaniacs, and sadists) and the unconditional support of police culture and you have a recipe for disaster. Besides videos like this, the attitude, aggression and paranoid behavior we see from average cops makes people hate them.

Interesting that they can’t even control themselves during a game.

A stereotype of cliches… LOL.

Carlos,
You do have a way of cutting through the crap to get to the gist.

LEO,

While I can understand the adrenaline rush the officer must have been feeling as well as the urge to kick this guy’s head in, I do not believe you can justify this as standard police procedure.

The officer knew back up was coming. All he had to do was train his gun on the suspect until the others arrived.

This way, the suspect could have played dead all we wanted but he still would have been shot if he made the wrong move.

I do agree that the suspect had absolutely no regard for human life and I think the cops did a good job tailing him without going completely overboard.

But that one cop got a little too carried away and that is what separates the professionals from the amateurs.

“I hear you can get $49 flights to Mexico. All you cop bashers should get yourself a ticket and fly down there ASAP”
Underneath the “love it or leave it” i.e. “it’s my way or the highway” mentality is the assertion that YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN.

Lol now I’m gonna go book my $49 flight to Mexico.

It is quite laughable that Karl Mansoor is coming here to hold himself out as an expert on police tactics.

After only a little over three years with the Albemarle County Police Department at a lowly rank, Karl Mansoor couldn’t hack it and had to take an extended medical leave because of a condition his own doctor diagnosed as a “panic disorder.” When Mansoor briefly returned to the force, the Chief of Police maintained doubts about Mansoor’s fitness for duty. Mansoor was subsequently relieved of duty and placed on administrative leave because of what the Chief described as Mansoor’s “impaired judgment” amongst other complaints. The Albemarle County Police Department later well documented Mansoor’s insubordination and disruptive behavior amongst other complaints.

This is, of course, all a matter of public record.

Given a less than stellar and quite short career for a man diagnosed by his own doctor as prone to “panic attacks” with “profuse sweating” and “shortness of breath,” you’re left to wonder how well he would perform in the field under any circumstances let alone set himself up as an expert to lecture others on proper tactics.

Someone Who Knows,

Since you’re engaging in fallacious ad hominem and appeals to authority, I’m wondering….

Could you direct us to a Law Enforcement Authority who claims that kicking a prone suspect in the head is proper procedure?

You’ve successfully attacked Mr. Mansoor, but that does nothing to destroy his argument that kicking a suspect in the head is improper procedure.

Someone Who Knows,

Sorry but google is a useful tool, Mansoor v. Trank, et al. Says something similar yet somehow different, how can that be? Perhaps more background than you supplied?

You forgot that he started in Norfolk and transferred to Albemarle. Details, details.

Hi there Someone Who Knows – post #121,

I am not sure what it is you claim to know, but it is not difficult to determine what you don’t know.

It does not take an expert in police tactics to easily see that the level of force displayed in the video was unnecessary. Because of it, an otherwise effective police pursuit and initial apprehension will now be clouded by significant and legitimate claims of excessive force.

I also do not claim to be an “expert.” I do claim however, during my time as a police officer, VADCJS State instructor certifications in police defensive tactics and firearms. I also still maintain VADCJS certifications for a variety of instructor topics.

As far as my police career and it’s quality, well, I’m not too worried about your fantasy. Perhaps you are one of the corrupt officers from that department or one that had to leave in shame.

…or maybe just a wannabe.

If you want to spout off nonsense about me, instead of cluttering up Carlos’ site and getting off track why not come by my place? Maybe I can help you out.

The suspect is a creep, complete with creepy tattoos he uses as a sign to tell you he’s a creep before he even opens his mouth. So he’s violated the jones creep law.

If the officer kicked him in the head while he was driving the car I’d have no problem with it.

As has been pointed out a kick to the head can and has caused death. The post pursuit discipline is clearly wanting in this case. We used to have a saying in the the Navy, “no John Wayne’s” when doing team work exercises. This guys backup and a K-9 unit where close by. There was air support. It’s not like the guy was going to get away and there was absolutely no need to hit this guy in any way.

I don’t know if it’s a crime or not but they cops do need to be officially disciplined in some manner. I’d certainly support a week off without pay and some retraining at their own expense. Cops want to be considered professionals they have to be responsible for their own actions, just like doctors, engineers and lawyers.

Most cops what the benefits of being a professional but they don’t what the liabilities that come along with being a professional. Being personally responsible for ones actions is only one part of it. Professionals don’t get overtime. Professionals aren’t paid to get dressed to go to work. Professionals don’t belong to unions. Professionals don’t file work grievances. Those are the actions of the rank and file. So if you want to be considered a professional it’s time to start acting like one.

It is laughable that cops call themselves professionals. They confuse having authority with status and respectability. It would be a major accomplishment for most of them just to act like an adult, much less a professional. Case in point: the childish smear campaign directed at Karl. Hiding behind your computer and posting petty insults, kicking someone in the head who’s surrendered, these are the actions of COWARDS.

Failed former officers who can’t cut it are a sad case after they’re eased out of the force because of “panic disorders” and other such shortcomings.

They go from bad to worse once they leave the force. They set themselves up as “expert witnesses” and become guns for hire, working with sleazebag lawyers to destroy the careers of brave police officers who selflessly put their lives on the line.

These “experts” are all such a sorry lot, often grossly overweight, wheezing and sweating in the witness box as they stammer about tactics and procedures they rarely used themselves, if at all. They are without exception bad actors.

They can’t get real work, of course. No police department will hire them because their record of failure follows them everywhere. These human wrecks often only have a few years on the job or a history of transferring from one department to another, always in search of the cushy assignments, the easy overtime working at the shopping mall. They are chronic whiners or complainers who, by some strange fluke, usually because of some personal political connection, managed to get themselves hired as police officers in the first place, but not for long of course.

How sad they are, so desperate for money after utterly failing themselves that they will stoop to anything. They set up little websites and blogs offering their “expertise” to any scumball lawyer looking to rob the taxpayers by suing police departments.

Of course, juries are usually not fooled by this chicanery. A pathetic failure is easy to spot. That’s why, fortunately, an overwhelming majority of lawsuits against police officers are unsuccessful.

I saw one of these pitiful wrecks in person recently. The “expert” was testifying on behalf of a violent felon in a money-grab lawsuit against the city, defaming the bravery of a police officer who died in the line of duty in the process. Of course, the felon lost the case, but the sadsack “expert” took home his thirty pieces of silver all the same.

This afternoon, Lt. Ken Alva of the El Monte Police Department said the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department will conduct an independent review to determine whether excessive force was used. He said the sheriff’s report will be submitted to the District Attorney’s Office, which will determine whether any action will be taken against the officer who initially kicked the suspect.

Meantime, the officer has been placed on non-patrol duty, he said.

El Monte police will conduct a separate investigation, Alva said.
Seems it might not be so SOP to kick suspects in the head.

This is America Joy. That an investigation has been launched does not say anything. We have a presumption of innocence in this country. Let’s hold to that same standard for cops too. We can’t complain about how we’re treated if we don’t afford cops the same legal standards.

This is a terrific example of civilians who don’t understand lawful, necessary police tactics commenting on something they don’t understand.

Once the suspect was cuffed, he walked to the police cruiser on his own two feet. He has no head injuries. Picture proof here, with three closeup shots of the suspect:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/r7spaf

A dangerous suspect must be subdued as soon as possible. You don’t wait around to make things all warm and cuddly for violent felons. You move as fast as you can, just like if you found a cobra in your baby’s crib. LEO is absolutely right.

The kick was completely justified.

#127 Too good links for you: How You Think and Where You’re Stuck. There are no spelling errors in this comment.

#128 JoyLeaf: Or they know how their SOP looks when videotaped, but your last sentence is likely correct.

Here are the comments from policeone.com. Sure are a hell of a lot more rational than the supposed LEOs posting here.

Posted by Arod77th on Thursday, May 14, 2009 05:35 PM Pacific Report Abuse
The saddest part about the incident is the settlement the knucklehead will receive as a result of something that was, on initial observations, not handled well. I would bet my life that the suspect has taken a more serious beating from his fellow gang members. Unfortunately, the actions of an addrenalin influenced officer will cost the City of El Monte a good amount of money. It sucks, but it will happen. Post pursuit discipline needs to be discussed more often than it is. I don’t wish ill will upon the officer, but I do wish he hadn’t kicked the suspect. Another question; why didn’t he just wait for back up officers before making an approach? I understand why the officer did what he did, but I just can’t condone it. Absent some mitigating factors, I don’t think it was justified given what is presented in the video. And yes, I know the video doesn’t always tell the whole story….but if there is something there that we aren’t seeing, it better be good.
Posted by wmccarty on Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:13 AM Pacific Report Abuse
Cell phone cameras, people with hand-held camcorders, etc etc….People always watching what we say and do…Have to be cognizant of that at all times.
Posted by Philyboy13 on Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:43 AM Pacific Report Abuse
Seriously? You have to be cognizant of the fact that a pursuit, especially in the LA area, and especially one that lasts for so long, is going to garner live TV coverage. Those helicopters aren’t just ours…

I am very interested to see what the justification was for that. I don’t want to jump to conclusions because I want to back the officers, but from the air it appeared the first shot was unnecessary. Not sure what was being said or what the officer felt at the time. We’ll have to wait and see…

“No police department will hire them” “They are chronic whiners or complainers…..because of some personal political connection, managed to get themselves hired as police officers in the first place, but not for long”

This is bull—police departments will hire anything with a pulse. The anxiety ridden are the least of their problems. “A Warrant to Kill” by Kathryn Casey is a page turning MUST READ about a gypsy cop who bounced from dept. to dept. while doing stuff like: calling an elderly women at Denny’s the N word, carrying around pictures of dead bodies, and assault. He finally murdered a woman who had made a complaint against him.

“I saw one of these pitiful wrecks in person recently. The “expert” was testifying on behalf of a violent felon in a money-grab lawsuit against the city, defaming the bravery of a police officer who died”

Name names. Give us the names of the felon and dead cop so we can read about the case ourselves. Otherwise I’ll just take your comment as a bold faced lie designed to support an insult.

SWK’s

How does one fail at law enforcement exactly? Unable to kick a head-sized object at two feet? I made sure I spelled “two” out in case someone thinks I might be a lawyer.

Bad guys are going to decide that if they are going to get the beating weather they surrender or go down fighting then more of them are going to go down fighting and more cops are going to get injured and or killed. And right now I am ignoring what the cops might do to non criminals who don’t jump to quickly enough for them if this is an acceptable level of force to use on non-resisting personal.

I would have had no problem with a kick to the head while he was racing through the streets, he was an active threat. I would have had no problem to that kick to the head while he was running, he had to be stopped. But if this is SOP for suspects (no conviction yet, not there is any doubt of guilt on Rodriguez’s part) who are no longer resisting or attempting to flee then SOP needs to be looked at again for EVERYBODY’S safety.

Lol at #133. Here’s a good one from Karls site.
http://bluemustbetrue.com/2009/05/05/is-that-any-way-for-a-law-enforceme...

My point is that while any arrest where force is used may get an independent review and/or an investigation, if the kick to the head was SOP it is unlikely that the officer would be placed on desk duty. They are also reviewing and investigating the officer who used his flashlight and kneed the suspect, but he has not had his duty changed at this point.

They might both be cleared, or one or more officers may get a reprimand and more training or they may face charges.

I think the first possibility is the most likely and the third one very unlikely, not to mention how unlikely a convection would be, but time will tell.