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Typical.

I hope you can find a lawyer to sue the shit out of these Nazi cops. They might not like what you say but that doesn’t make it a crime. I am amazed they didn’t destroy the tape or the whole camera making any legal defense on your part impossible.
I’m sure they only cuffed and searched that lady for their own protection. Of course, if they weren’t despised for the way they treat people they might not have so much to fear from those that decide they’ve had enough.

So the charge for eavesdropping will be next against the guy?

These situations make me furious. I wonder what would have happened if he just went inside with his camera. What would be on that shadow judge warrant?

Hey hey hey, what is up with this Nazi talk???? The Nazi’s killed millions of innocent people. These cops are just abusive assholes. If you are going to hate someone, make sure your communicate your anger elegantly. Nothing hurts your cause more than you looking like an uneducated loon.

Also, he broke the rule about never speaking to cops. Live and learn.

Buddy is _nuts_.

Should have just closed the door on them.
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As much as I may not certain officers in certain situations, I would never call them Nazis. I’m with Bob on this one. Comparing cops for being assholes, at times when they don’t need to be, to Nazis is just too far.
The Nazis, the Second World War real Nazis, would have made sure this cameraman and his camera disappeared and never heard from again.

That looked like a somewhat intensive search of that woman’s car. Halfway through, they got a little desperate. I guess she was a model citizen since they let her go and it makes me wonder what probable cause they had on her.

For someone taking the fifth, he sure was talkative. Too bad he broke the”contempt of cop” law and got the standard sentence, a day or so in jail before they drop charges. Such actions should automatically trigger an internal affairs investigation.

@ Bob Nazis did kill millions but it started off with “papers please”

@Bob#4

The references to Nazis and the SS are relevant to some people following these issues because those groups used intimidation and manipulation of laws to coerce, frighten, and silence people, which allowed the murder of millions of innocent people.

I have seen a common thread on comments on Carlos’ blog and other articles, blogs, and comments about how the continued erosion of our civil rights is leading us to a police state, in which atrocities like the Holocaust can occur. I am not suggesting that will happen here, or anywhere else. But if we don’t exercise our civil rights we loose them. And there seem to be at least two instances of this in this video. First, the woman stopped by the police is subjected to an unlawful search of her purse and vehicle. I suspect that the body search was way out of line too. I’d sue over that alone — sexual assault. Second, the police entered the videographer’s property without cause or warrant (and arrested him for contempt of cop).

Being nuts is not unconstitutional.

Anyone know the ID law in AR? Is verbal identification legal or must those asked by police produce state-issued ID on demand?

You guys are missing the point. Calling someone a Nazi is not “disturbing the peace”, it’s protected speech under the 1st amendment, just like flipping a cop the bird.

He has a good case, he should sue them.

Crap. I just got done reading about Deputy Eng in the other thread and started to have a rare, good feeling about cops … and then I come here.

[heavy sigh]

Sue them. Sue the tin stars off their donut-bloated asses. Find out who that woman was and get her to sue them, too. Push back, fight back with everything you’ve got and remind creeps like this that there’s a reason law-abiding citizens are getting fed up and that there are consequences for behaving like brutish thugs.

@M.A.DeLuca II

Amen.

Cops often twist a law which only applies to extreme cases to punish you for not bowing to their authority.

In this case he has twisted the “disorderly conduct” law and is pretty arrogant about it. “Disturbance of the peace” only applies if the person was constantly shouting(loud enough that neighbors inside their houses could hear no less) and did not stop after repeated requests to reduce the noise to a reasonable level.

The man said one thing and this cop is going to spout off disorderly conduct under disturbance of the peace? Ugly bald peace of shit.

You know what pisses me off most? The way the cop says, “You called me a Nazi!” as if his feelings were hurt. What a fucking baby. I bet he was the type to tattle on his friends when he was a kid.

assholes all around.

Did this guy have any idea what the stop was about? It looked like the police made the stop in front of his house and he just decided to start yelling at the police. I love folks that just want to comment on shit when they have no idea what’s going on.

However even though the guy was being a total douche, the cops should have just left him alone. Nobody likes being called a Nazi just for doing their job but the guy has the right to stand in his front yard and be a jerk if he wants. It’s obvious the police just arrested him because he pissed them off and I don’t agree with that.

@Hazy Unfortunately, these things seem to often start with vague/poorly written/ill thought out legislature, which is passed with supporters saying “Surely, this will never be abused!”

I was referring to the posters on this forum, not the guy in the video. The Nazi talk is just noise and muddles the real issues. Any argument that we are headed towards a Nazi type police state is evidence that you don’t have the slightest idea how much freedom and government protections you have. You can (with the permission of the government) bring a lawsuit against the president of the US if you wanted. Even these cops, that you think are assholes, you can take to court.

This guy could have avoided this situation by closing his door and not responding to the police officers once they approached him. I agree that the cops had no business to hassle him even though he was being a prick, but if you are going to be a prick, you need to learn how to handle yourself with the police.

@Bob

Once the cops approached him there’s no way he could flee by “closing the garage door”. If he did that who knows what would’ve happened next, maybe they would’ve come back with a battering ram and guns drawn.

Was he being a prick, really? He called the guy a Nazi, an insult that rolls off the back of anyone who has the least bit of confidence that the insult has no merit.

It had more to do with the cop’s ego being deflated by this dissenting individual and the cop decided to make the camera man pay for that.

It’s pretty obvious that the cops are going to get into some hot water over this, as they should. What happened to the guy was illegal as hell. Were his civil rights violated? Without question, a federal judge should decide that.

If the “victim” would have shown a little more restraint with his tongue, maybe he wouldn’t have been screwed over like that. But then, the cop just might have been a Nazi, which is what made him go Waffen on him.

Sadly I agree with Dodge on this one. I don’t see how that arrest was legal unless the disorderly conduct law in that area is incredibily strict.

I would like to know what the woman was pulled over for. This is no minor traffic stop when they handcuff a person, search their body, purse and vehicle.

I would think that *yelling* Nazi at someone really would be disturbing the peace, and not constitutionally protected speech. And the guy practically invited the police over.

No jury in the world would award him a penny even if he were to prove violations of civil rights. Besides, he’s a nut!

As long as someone is not trying to incite violence against someone the speech is protected, whether or not you feel it’s racially hateful.

That’s besides the point, Nazi is not a race so it doesn’t fall under that.

Learn your constitution Ken before you make another post here.

“I would like to know what the woman was pulled over for. This is no minor traffic stop when they handcuff a person, search their body, purse and vehicle.”

Could have been anything. DUI, suspended license, unpaid traffic tickets, arrest warrant from completely unrelated incident. There’s no way to know and I doubt this loudmouth had any idea either.

The cop did not like being called a Nazi? Then stop acting like one.
As to wither using the word Nazi is relevant or not. I was there, there are to many reminders in the way this country is going at the moment. Read the history of the thirty’s in Germany, If it does not scare you, you have no brains.

But JL is right, This man is a loud mouth nut. But this does not excuse the cops actions.

JL, you’re starting to surprise the hell outta me man… The last couple articles I’ve commented on, I’ve agreed with you. You might not be such a bad guy after all

Back on topic, yeah, he was a loud mouth, and about 10 degrees North of crazy, but he has every right to be both of those things in this country, especially on his own property. It matters not that the cop got his feelings hurt over being called a Nazi, he violated the man’s civil rights over and over. His 1st amendment, 4th amendment, and his 14th amendment rights were all violated here.

I love how cocky they act.. making sure their badges and names are shown on camera. They totally believe that their actions are justified. That’s what is most fucked up.

“Hey fellas, that guy has a ’73 Gran Torino in his garage, lets walk on his lawn and check it out!”

Rance;

Yes I believe JL is a good guy, he just has been on the job a little too long. It does get to you after a while, I know it was starting to get to me when I quit. Being kicked in the head every day will do that. You never see the good in any one and start to get a “us vs them” out look. This is why every cop needs as much contact out side the job and other cops as possible.

Johnny Bootlicker said: “Nobody likes being called a Nazi just for doing their job.”

Yeah, not even Nazis douchbags just “following orders.”

Excellent Kol. Klink

I wonder what the justification the Nazi’s used for searching his car.

Being on the grass is trespassing, but coming up the driveway was OK.

No state has a law that requires you to show papers on demand. Stop and Identify states only require a name, and possibly geographical info, and that will satisfy the SCOTUS ruling

Two fools crossed paths. It’s just that the cop was a bigger one.

Here’s a high-five and a bro-like butt-slap going out to Johnny Law! It seems our Venn diagram does indeed possess a union set.

[smacks face]
Here I am trying to sound all edge-you-macated while giving the thumbs-up to Johnny and I said “union” when I meant “intersect”.

I got arrested in Boca Raton just for walking down the street in broad daylight. I found out later, in PB County Jail, the grounds for demanding my ID –I had a warrant based on botched paperwork which led to a Probation Violation info from a case in another county– was “Disorderly Conduct.” Then they changed it to
“Suspicious Activity”. Then back to “Disorderly
Conduct” presumably when they realized
suspicious activity is not a crime.
It took six months for them to return
my luggage and they lost my passport,
much to the chagrin of the State Department.
For walking down the street. Welcome
to the Gulag.

It seems to me that what this fellow did meets the very definition of protected speech. Popular speech does not need to be protected, rather it is the speech of the minority or those with peculiar views that have the greatest need for protection.

In my view the video clearly shows that the entire encounter was the result of one man exercising his right to criticize an agent of the government and that agent’s unlawful and unconstitutional response. While I don’t think that I would be willing to endorse what was said or how it was said, I do believe the “nut” was right and the LEO was the criminal in this case.

With such a flagrant abuse of power I think that simply calling to the LEO’s badge falls way too short. I would opt for criminal prosecution for armed trespass, aggravated assault, etc. Someone needs to throw the book at this guy.

While I agree that the cop was out of line, so was this douche nozzle. If some jackass was standing in his yard yelling insults at me I wouldn’t be too happy either.

Automatically demonizing all officers as Nazis is NO different than them demonizing everyone with a camera as a criminal.

This dick wanted a youtube video, plain and simple, and of course there is the benefit he gave us of making three cops (that didn’t seem to mind the camera) think that everyone with a camera is an asshole.

The definition of disturbing the peace is VERY loose. I couldn’t find Arkansas, but in most states it can be as simple as an obviously rude gesture or utterance for the purpose of causing discomfort. I’m not saying I agree with that, but fact is fact.

While instigating may be protected (and should be) it still makes you an idiot. I have zero respect for instigators on either side of the blue line.

Should have read “CAN still make you an idiot”

Andy S. your interpretation of disturbance of the peace is veeeeeeeeery sensitive and I’d say you’re just plain wrong.

As I said before, disturbance of the peace has to do with continuous loud noise. It’s relevant when there’s a loud house party going on at 3 AM night time and cops come and ask them to turn the music down. Let’s say the cops come back 1 hour later and the music was turned up again. Then they would be in violation of disturbance of the peace.

It’s not as simple as a one time thing, there has to have been a request made for the disturbance to cease or reduce to a reasonable level and that request to have been ignored.

Get it yet?

HOLY CRAP, JL ACTUALLY THINKS THE COPS WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS SOME HOPE FOR YOU AFTER ALL.

Rance // Aug 26, 2010 at 1:03 AM

JL, you’re starting to surprise the hell outta me man… The last couple articles I’ve commented on, I’ve agreed with you. You might not be such a bad guy after all
****************************
Rance,

I do not remember the saying from which country, but here it is:

–When man changing his attitude, he is dying.

I hope JL is in good health.

@ongtroi – lol, I’m sure JL is in perfect health and I only have good wishes for him.

@Roger #32 Very possible, and good advice.

#32, that is why i quit being a cop. I was also tired see other cops think they are above the law and better than everyone else. I was also tired of being told to write X number of tickets a month because they were losing money on the bi-weekly court hearings. More tickets = more $ for the courts and cops.

JL, please stop and look around, there is more to life then being a cop. You will be WAY more happier when you stop thinking everyone is out to get you. People for most part are good people.

Guys, I’m fine. Sheesh…

This Arkansas dude has balls. I’m glad to see that someone still has some American spunk to call cops on the crap they pull.

Cops ARE Nazis, pure and simple. The essential feature of Nazi Germany was that it was a police state; i.e. a country in which there were virtually no limits on police power and prerogative. That is what a “police state is”.

In the United States the First and Fourth Amendments are the chief restrictions placed on police power. Once those restrictions are violated or lifted, then there are no limits on police behavior and we are left with a police state.

In 1988 (sic) Justice Brennan pronounced the Fourth Amendment “dead”. Brennan was not some yahoo but a very sober minded jurist who was not giving to running off at the mouth. The fact is that Suprem Court decisions have over the decades totally eliminated restrictions on and protections against cop abuses.

These thugs-in-blue were clearly harrassing a motorist. Get real. Handcuffed, searched and detained for 10 minutes for a traffic violation? That’s pure punking.

Our Arkansas had every right — both factual and legal — to call the cops Nazis. It’s nice to see that someone actually practices beeing “free and brave” rather than just imagining it while munching Doritos.

We live in a corporate police state, run for the benefit of 2% of the population (High Net Worth Individuals) who oppress, cheat and plunder the rest of us.

America Awake!

Power to the people!! Whose streets? Our streets!! Whose streets? Our streets!! Hey hey!! Hey ho!! Corporate greed has got to go!! Hey hey!! Hey ho!! Corporate greed has got to go!!

Sorry. Got carried away there.

The officer initiated contact and that left the civilian a valid opportunity to comment. The civilian was a jerk and stupid but that is not illegal. Had the officer not cupped his ear (asking for the comment to be repeated) he might have had a legal leg but he blew it big time.
The whole incident was a waste of time and money that could have been avoided by an better trained officer or a more intelligent civilian.