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Amazing how they took care of her and didn’t find probable cause to give her a breathalyzer (at least, that’s what they seem to be saying after she refused), despite the fact that the police report states there was an odor of alcohol!

Is probable cause a legal standard, or just something cops use when they feel like it?

And how many times do you have to crash a car to get fired? Apparently 2. And if you resign, you wont get charged. That way you can get re-hired elsewhere and do it all over again — at the taxpayers’ expense, with the thin blue line protecting you.

My personal opinion is that Officer Sarah-Anne Hoyle seems like a drunk driver who should not ever be a cop anywhere. It certainly looks that way. I find probable cause to charge her in the court of public opinion!

It’s a good thing for the MPD and the citizens of Miami that this officer has resigned but I want to point out, Carlos, that the Wikipedia article that you reference says that there are a lot of things that influence BAC that you don’t mention in your post.

“Probably” is a good choice of words in this case. In fact, it’s probably enough to keep you from getting sued.

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So what are you saying, Rick. That perhaps she didn’t have a BAC of .137?

That maybe it was a little lower?

That maybe she wasn’t legally drunk at the time of the accident even though she still had a .047 BAC six hours after the accident?

i’d need her weight and ethnicity to accurately predict bac at time of accident.

however, someone who drinks often would need over 0.10 bac to plow into something; someone who drinks twice a year is dangerous at 0.02-4. that’s why you can get charged (in ca at the least) with dwi with under the quote ‘legal limit’ of 0.08. the 0.08 is just a guideline.

according to http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

4 drinks take 4 hours to drop BAC below .08 for a 200 pound person.

3 drinks takes 5 hours to be 0.03 bac for a 140 pound person (which if the cops have some sort of guidelines for weight…) this would imply that 4 drinks may take 6 hours to be 0.04ish.

extrapolating these numbers (3 drinks 140 pounds) means that directly after finishing the drinks she would have had 0.15 BAC, 1 hour later 0.13 BAC (which, surprise surprise carlos said. funny?)

Now this is assumption here… but who sits for an hour after going to a bar before hopping in the car to go home or someplace else?

there’s a better BAC calculator somewhere on the internet, but damned if i can find it. the chart is pretty useful that the California driver’s handbook has in it.

The important thing to realize is that BAC is a ratio. Light drinker’s BAC goes up faster with less liquor than someone who drinks heavily. BUT: the BAC is an accurate representation of how much alcohol is actually affecting the organs (including brain) at the time of measurement.

In my prior post i mentioned that heavy drinkers usually have less impairment at the same BAC as light drinkers. legal BAC in all states is < 0.8; although as i mentioned, it’s a guideline. over 0.8 means automatically go to jail, and anything between 0.001 and 0.079999… is at the cops discretion. If you got pulled over for your license plate being unlit, and you blew a 0.05 BAC, as long as you weren’t a belligerent prick you’d probably get to drive home. but if you just ran over fluffy and flipped the bird at fluffy’s owner and you blow 0.04 BAC – you’re probably going to be charged with DWI.

I hate that i know this stuff

Actually, Carlos, it’s real easy to understand what I was saying.

One, the City of Miami PD and the citizens of Miami should feel lucky that this officer is gone.

And, two, neither of us knows anything about how this woman’s body reacted to and processed alcohol. So your use of “probably,” like I said, was a good choice of words.

Now you can do handstands and perform all the mental masturbation that you want, Carlos, but THAT’S what I was saying.

Got it?

Good.

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The appalling lack of ethics on display not administering a breathalyzer until six hours later just shows the complete absence of accountability in police departments.

But I never used “probably”.

I used “most likely”.

What I find truly appalling about the whole thing, regardless of whether she was or wasn’t beyond the legal limit, is that if those same cops, or really any cop for that matter, even smelled the tiniest hint of alcohol or had any, even the tiniest, inkling at all that someone other than another cop might have been drinking in this type of scenario, they would WITHOUT QUESTION had tested that person. The fact that they waited so long is simply FLAT OUT CORRUPTION in my book. I wonder if they’d have done the same if she had killed someone?

Well I have since found out that in FL anyone can refuse a test — there’s no forced tests here.

I think the department needs to have departmental guidelines that are more strict than FL law!

Regardless of the back and fourth bantering; This kind of stupidity in the south florida Police force is commonplace. It ranges from drunk driving, not having their lights and sirens on during high speed chases to downright corruption and criminal activity.

Back in 2001 I was running a print shop. Me and a buddy were on our lunch breaks near the westland mall. We stopped at a red light and two cops stopped in the lane next to us, one cop car behind the other. Suddenly out of the corner of my eye i noticed one cop car hit the other and bumped him a few inches forward. The cops in the second car began to laugh while the guys in the cop car in front of them began to look out of their rear view mirror.

Just one of many examples of police stupidity while our tax payers money goes to funding the police.