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“Police tried to justify this behavior by saying the officers were emotionally distraught over the four slain officers.”

Typical- they get all emotional over “their own”- these cops think they are separate from the rest of society- as if it is more important when a cop dies than a when a civilian dies.

I think that knowing, much less seeing, a coworker seriously injured or killed is going to result in an emotionally charged response- they are human. However, that is not an excuse to resort to bully tactics. If an officer is emotionally high from the incident then they need to get away from the scene for their own well being, as well as for the sake of civilians.

One thing is for sure. This cameraman will be on the police shitlist for the rest of his life. Also might be that his family and friends are on it too now.

Next time I do something wrong because I’m emotionally distraught, do I get a pass? Total abuse of power bullshit.

Just watched again. This is EXACTLY how a gang protecting their turf operates. Don’t get me wrong, it was horrible for those four cops to be killed in the line of duty, but these cops — understandably upset — should not act like thugs. BTW, how is the hospital a crime scene? Were the cops shot at the hospital?

Explain to me how a public hospital, which is not the scene of the crime , can be blocked off. What would the cops have done if you drove through their tape with a ill or injured person in your car arrested you and let them die ?

There’s a saying, ‘Respect is a two-way street.’

It occurs to me that law enforcement hires a lot of ex-military into its ranks. And they seem to act like they are military and dealing with an enemy.

The police are also civilians. They’re not the military.

don’t be an idiot. The cameraman, his family & his friends are now going to be on some mythical shitlist… Do you people honestly sit at home coming up with this crap. The cop was emotional & struck out at somebody who was looking to make a buck of the tradegy… end of story.

theres another saying: “don’t be a fucking tool.” My grandfather use to say it all the time.

It doesn’t matter if the cops are military or not. They are still people & everybody has a breaking point. Push somebody far enough and that person is going to snap. Thats what you just saw. Somebody right on the edge & some random person with a camera was the straw that broke the camels back.

Was it fair, was it justifiable, was it a calculated photographer versus the authority figure thing… no.

-M

Wow.. those cops sure looked a lot like a gang. Only a few of them were even in uniform.

I hope this gets something changed. The police get to break the law, frequently, and even when they are held accountable it doesn’t really seem to change anything.

Really? So when a citizen defends himself in that situation what then? Camera or No Camera, there are prices to be paid for accepting that badge, like it or not, LEO’s are and should be held to a higher level of civic responsibility.

Here you see all that throw out the window, with a gaggle of them acting no better than a street gang!

I would have pushed the issue and walked around the block to get a camera angle from the other side of the street not taped off.

Every single officer who elevated the situation by crossing that street should be brought up on charges! Looks like the Goons from the Bergen Hunt & Fish Club (Gotti’s hang out). Gimme a break.

So, just think, an Leo assaults and uses force (assault) to control a cameraman (breaking the law and at that moment is criminal in his actions), when the camera man responds in self defense with equal force, perfectly within his right, what then?

The TRUE character and actions of an individual are most pronounced when in the highest state of stress. The actions exhibited here will most certainly be in effect if and when those same officers encounter similar stress. could you imagine their responses as I hypothesized (defend oneself)?

Truly criminal, reprehensible and unforgivable actions by these who are on film. The Smart ones stayed where they where. Have a nice day!

and it will become a matter for internal affairs to handle. But having said that you people seem to hold two contrary ideals when it comes to cops

1. All cops are out to get you & are really just lazy thugs no better then animals
2. Cops are semi-divine beings without emotions… who are akin to a combination of superman & the most controlled vulcan. They suffer from no emotions & don’t have lives outside of the job.

-M

Yes, because even then, there are laws which shield them from civil liability… something that needs to change!

Be careful with that, assault on a police officer in California carries a minimum of 25 years, mere mortals, not so much.

That’s my point, first off, without a camera, it’s always the LEO’s word against yours. but here… clearly illustrating the aggressor as the officer(s), you ARE allowed to defend yourself and it is NOT assault in doing so. That is incorrect… to say, that any defense against excessive force is automatically qualified as assaulting an officer. Again, without a camera, you are not going to get anywhere with your defense in court! The DA’s, the Judges, ALL give LEO’s wide berth… unfortunate it would seem as it allows this type of behavior to permeate and fester the Police Forces throughout the land.

From another camera angle. You can see the suffering on the face of the sensitive soul. The anger at their prying and that charging at them is completely justified.

“I didn’t expect him to charge us” is expecting too much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtDd_IsHLNc&NR=1

Wait….

This shouldn’t be dismissed as understandable. LEO are held to a higher standard. Most have to go through mental evaluations at certain times, when first being hired, another is after a shooting, precisely to make sure that they have control over their emotions. If they can’t control their emotions then they shouldn’t be police officers.

Matthew

Lets presume that instead of cops that a family member of a civilian had done this under the same circumstances (civilians injured instead of cops). He probably would have been arrested since our justice system does not care how emotionally distraught you are – in our system there is no excuse for breaking the law.

Part of the problem is that the law and the police have taken a “zero tolerance” approach towards us. Obscure laws that were rarely enforced are now being strictly enforced, add to that a plethora of new laws aimed to virtually micromanage our daily lives. If the law were a bit more tolerant towards us like it used to be, perhaps we would return the favor. After all sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander…

I don’t care if it is cops, garbage men, teachers or even photographers who were killed, anybody trying to.profit off of the deaths of other people is a piece of shit.

Poor baby had his little viewfinder broken, get a real job so you can buy a new one.

It will be a matter for the civil courts. Many IA departments are not objective for one reason or another.

And please refrain from these straw men arguments. No one has said either of those things except for you.

So the doctors who marked the time of death, and the coroner shouldn’t get paid? Because, that would be making money off their deaths.

The odds are high that he will be getting a new viewfinder courtesy of the city of Oakland.

The cameraman appeared to be polite and professional, and only trying to serve the Fourth Estate – and in turn – us.

And as Mr. Miller can probably attest – being a news cameraman is a lot of things; but a path to riches and fame ain’t one of them.

I’m sorry those Officers lost a Brother Officer; but if they can’t keep it together better than that when someone is exercising their rights – rights those Officers are well aware of, and are sworn to protect – then perhaps they should apply for a lateral transfer to Mayberry.

And whereas their is some understanding of the Officers lashing out, I am far more disturbed by the number of apologists and enablers posting herein.
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They are providing a necessary service, that is a little different.

They already paid for his little camera, Carlos forgot to cut and paste that part.

I also noticed this video wad edited so is there somnething he doesn’t want us to see?

News gathering is a very necessary service in a free society.

The camera man is also providing a necessary service. Accurate, timely information is important to the public.

re: paying for the camera
Carlos wasn’t the only one to omit that detail, you forgot in your first post as well

So what if I forget, I’m not the one trying to pass myself off as a reporter.

Only if they are acting in their official capacity. If they are acting outside of their duties then they are not shielded.

“…anybody trying to.profit off of the deaths of other people is a piece of shit.”

A lot of people in the funeral business would take umbrage at that.

OK everybody, let’s stop feeding the troll.

That was assault. Pure and simple.

But when you are attacked by a bunch of tools with badges you have no to call.
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No, what we saw was a videographer WITH THE MEDIA, at a respectable distance and a bunch of LEOs hunted him down with no legal reason to do so.

Nobody was pushed – except the guy with the camera.

‘Breaking points’ do not trump the law. They especially do not grant those who’ve sworn an oath to uphold the law to suspend their oath for any period of time, for any measure of emotional distress.

It’s not a matter of ‘fucking tool’ it’s a matter of criminal behavior.

If he’d been there crudely asking ‘How many pigs got it?’ then the reaction of those officers would have been reasonably attributable to emotional distress. Not the case here.

They are (just ask one) ‘highly trained’ law enforcement people. These were not acting like they were.

No, that is YOUR thinking, but the “YOU PEOPLE” comment says much about you.

Well when they act in a criminal manner, they ARE acting outside their mandate. They should NOT be protected by such laws, nor the department, even and when if IN the acting of official capacity they abuse others and their rights under the badge of justice! The display here is offensive in this example, there is no justifiable excuse for it as well.

If those shield laws were loosened then you might see some behavioral change, when an LEO KNOWS that he might be accountable for his actions, outside the department that is.

Necessary service? In this instance??? Can you please elaborate exactly what that might be?

“They are providing a necessary service, that is a little different.”

No comment necessary.

Harassment, Assault, Gang Assault, Conspiracy to commit assault, etc., etc. There are quite a few CRIMINAL acts in this footage. Add in the restriction of access to public property with the police line being erected, failure to report all this in their reports… Hmmmmmm… Yeah, they’re just under duress ok.

Hey… Leopards don’t change their spots… what exactly do you think they do when the camera ISN’T rolling???

“Hey… Leopards don’t change their spots… what exactly do you think they do when the camera ISN’T rolling???

That’s always my concern. The nice cop who you may chat with in town during the day might just become another person altogether under different circumstances. What happens when that same nice cop stops you at 3:00 AM on a deserted road and you refuse to let him search your vehicle? Maybe he maintains his professionalism and maybe not.

Oscar, journalism IS a real job. Carlos and pretty much every news agency in the world would probably take issue with those who say that it isn’t.

Finch:

The guy with the video camera was a news person doing his job. He’s paid to do that, and they have to accept it even if they don’t like it at all. All they are doing is indeed acting like thugs.
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I wonder how many man-hours of overtime were racked up by police officers in this case? If it’s immoral to profit off of deaths, then the homicide squad needs to be unpaid volunteers.

I agree, though it isn’t so easy to defend yourself against multiple thugs when you’re holding a camera on your shoulder… Unless the camera man is Chuck Norris that is.

This is a blue light gang territorial dispute, plain and simple.

I’m a little confused though… The text of the story reads “filming the chaotic scene outside the hospital where one of the slain officers was being transported.”, yet the LEOs claim that it was a crime scene “You are interfering with a crime scene. I will place you under arrest.”.

Which is it? If the officer was transported there after the shooting, it is NOT a crime scene. The only crime scene there was a bunch of fascist thugs with guns intimidating, threatening, and abusing an unarmed civilian.

So their little blue light gang feelings got hurt… Boo fucking hoo. They should know better, yet they’re trained to be assholes by the best.

I hope the videographer wins big

If nothing else, it looks clearly to be a “Color of the Law” Offense, reportable to the FBI @ http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/color.htm
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Oscar, you’re an idiot. Enough said.

Hey Rance, please don’t belabor the obvious!!

I would have been yelling “A Dead Cop Is a Good Cop” While I laughed my ass of all the way to the bank after they beat me.. And no not all cops are bad, but these assholes show the basic corrupt cop mentality that they are an organized Gang and make up laws as they see fit to help them selfs out. If I was killed by one of these horrible cops would they have shut the road down and defended me like that? I feel bad for the familys, but now I don’t have to worry about 4 cops that might beat me to death as they are burried under the ground

The press are scum. Too bad he only got roughed up. He should have caught a bullet. Screw him. The press feed off of others misery.

Soooo… that would encompass the whole defense industry; mortuary services; monument services; organ harvesting; estate planners; probate courts; any doctor that has learned using a cadaver; and anybody that has even received one dime from a life insurance policy??

Do you find it at all ironic that the same amendment that protects your right to spew your venomous and ignorant opinion on-line is also the one that protects the rights of the press?