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Holy god, joyce lin’s arrest… that is fucked up…

How these people think they can get away with unconstitutional bs like this is beyond me.

Every cop in that video that had his hands on another person should be stripped of badge, gun, and sent to prison to think about what they’ve done – with a tatoo that says “crooked cop” on their forheads.

with twitter and youtube, and the little box annotations on photos and videos, it SHOULD soon be possible that every possible angle of an event uploaded to the internet will be visible to whoever wants to see it, easily. recall the two tazing incidents last year, so many people had video the cops could NOT lie about what actually happened.

The only people breaking the law in this video were the ones in uniforms.

genewitch,

You’re right. In this day and age when everybody has a camera, even if it’s in the form of a cell phone, and everybody has access to the Internet and websites and blogs that allow you to dismantle these images to the world, you would think the cops would be much smarter how they interact with the people.

But that also explains why they crack down on photographers and videographers all the time.

This is crazy. Cyclists can be annoying, but this is too much.

Looks like the cops are mad that they can’t ban CM, so they’re making the cyclists life hell over it.

One problem for Ms. Lin. . . she did in fact, resist arrest. If you are going to do this kind of thing, you have to know how to deny them any leverage. In her case, once they began arresting her, she should have simply cooperated. Instead, they gave them an out, in that she was using force to resist arrest. As Carlos knows, even if you are innocent of the underlying crime, you can be found guilty of resisting the arrest for that alleged crime.

Never give the police a legitimate (if bullshit) charge to wave over your head.

This is why I find it to be BS to resist arrest when you have no charges against you…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR200808...

This is the county I grew up in. I have issues putting myself into police custody when something like this can happen.

Oh, and based on Carlos’ own account of his time in jail, I doubt anyone wants to be put there wrongfully, if at all.

I was listening to the mike savage radio show today, and after his rants on mccain, obama, and pilosi, he went in to saying that cops should beat down the Critical Mass people, that they should outright ban it.

He, 5 minutes earlier, had said “What about the protection of free speech? HUH LIBERALS?”

While he is welcome to spew whatever bile BS agenda he has, he has some freaking nerve to tell others to stop protesting and gathering peacefully.

And torgeaux: You won’t ever be prosecuted for resisting arrest if the events leading up to the arrest were bullshit. For instance:

The cops think you murdered someone, so they plan a bust-in to arrest you. You, being innocent and a gun owner, don’t expect cops at your house. If, when they bust in to your house, you unload on them, you are not criminally liable for anything if they used false means to obtain a warrant for your arrest (like an anonymous tip, or something like that).

This is why it’s ok to resist arrest if you’re being falsely detained. and why it’s not okay to resist if you DID do something wrong. you don’t want them to add that shit to your resume of guilt.

genewitch:

You know not of which you speak. Innocence of the underlying charge is NOT a defense to resisting arrest. If the police don’t identify themselves in your scenario, sure. However, if they have a warrant based on incorrect info, identify themselves and enter your home pursuant to that warrant, you cannot resist arrest.

Your premise, that the guilty cannot resist, is humorous, but inaccurate. Resisting arrest is a completely separate offense, with elements unrelated to the reason for the arrest. There are very limited circumstances, where the arrest is itself illegal (very, very limited circumstances), but innocence of the suspected crime is not one of the circumstances.

I cannot believe what I am seeing in NYC.
What was once the best police department in the world seems to have lost it’s collective mind.
I am so glad I moved from there.

torgeaux: how can they prosecute you for resisting arrest IF YOU WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE ARRESTED?

Errrrrr… It’s like them prosecuting you for breaking someone’s hand because they punched you…

Does that make sense?

If you read my last paragraph again… I said resisting arrest if you are guilty is not OK, as in you shouldn’t do it. Because then they’ll add that to your list of offenses (as they did in carlos’ case).
If however, you didn’t do anything unlawful or illegal and you are never prosecuted for doing the stuff that you supposedly got arrested for, then you can’t be charged with resisting arrest. Because the arrest was unwarranted and unlawful and yadda yadda yadda. Trust me, if Lin wanted to fight the charges, all she’d have to do is say the arrest was unlawful and the rest would get dropped. Fruit of the poisoned tree. (perhaps you’ve heard that?) Likewise, if Lin goes to trial, and they drop the other charges, they’d be forced to drop “resisting arrest” as well, as there wouldn’t have been resistance to arrest if the arrest had never happened, would there?

errrrr.

Joyce Lin didn’t resist arrest because the officers never told her or clarified to her that she was under arrest. They nearly jumped all on top of her to hold her down. I never heard even one of those bonehead, crooked cops read her her rights, did you? This is all just so stupid and upsetting. To think this is happening in the U.S. Ugh. Poor innocent cyclists; I hope they sue.

They probably did after she was actually in cuffs… Why waste breath?

But I’m more concerned on when its feasible to resist arrest. No offense, but if I’m aware of my rights and they have not charged me, I’m disinclined to allow myself to be lead away and then detained for 24 hours or more. Just because an officer doesn’t know the law?

Carlos is a good example of how hard it is to fight the system, and how damaging it is personally and financially. Again, I’m of the personal opinion that if I have to fight to prove I was arrested wrongly, even criminally, then I’d like to see a cop fired at the least, jail time at the worst. If a Sword of Damocles were over their head for taking the job, you’d probably see fewer thugs as cops.

I have the greatest respect for conscientious “good Cops” and the concept of Law and Order within the framework of the U.S. Constitution. However, I have extreem and utter CONTEMPT for sadistic, ego-maniacial, power and control freaks who couldn’t care less about the oath they took as long as they can get their jollies off by abusing others, their authority, and the Constitution. Such “people” are nothing more than pathetic, Gestapo thug wannabees who get into law enforcement as “the next best thing.”

She resisted arrest? Seems to me she was resisting assault. I love how the cops work: they assault you then if you defend yourself it’s resisting arrest. Too much.

I love how the police report states at the top: “The people of the state of New York vs. Joyce Lin” when the people of the state of New York were chanting “let her go.”

Obviously, a mob on your side doesn’t excuse a legitimate arrest, I just thought it was a silly when I noticed it.

The police are not limited to harassing bicyclist – seems like they feel they can harass or assault any one of us!

Just the other night — a friend of mine who was clearly in shock and was resisting medical treatment had a gun put to his head to allow ems to examine him.
Or how about the constant stop and frisk they do to my teenage boys just because they are in front of my home — they look for any excuse to assert force or violate our rights.

Roxana – that sounds surreal! I take you at your word and believe you believe your friend is telling the absolute truth (unless you were there). If it was me in your friend’s place, I would have told the “officer” to go ahead and shoot me but I would not be getting medical attention I didn’t want. Seems rather stupid (no surprise) to threaten harm to someone in order to force them to receive medical attention.
That cop is guilty, according to the law, for assault with a weapon, brandishing a firearm and in violation of some police codes I am sure.