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Typical

The sad thing is that the cop could realistically, if not legally, throw the person in jail for any reason he cared to invent.

The fact that he knew he was being recorded may be the only reason he didn’t.
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Interfering with an officer. You can film him but don’t badger him. This business about a cop not being able to use a camera unless there is a crime actually in progress really sounds bogus to me.

On the other hand, threatening to have him raped was a tad over the line.

Threatening someone with arrest when asked for a name/badge number would seem to be clearly over the line.
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Of course we know Cops lie and threaten people all the time. So what else is new. It’s the “same old.. same old” story.

They wear the shield, carry the gun and go about trying to force people to do their will just because they are who they are.

And Cops wonder why they get NO respect from the public. Maybe if they show some respect they’d get some in return.

Rail Car Fan

Why am I not surprised by this atrocious behavior? Because it is common. Will it EVER change, probably not in my lifetime.

What is a illegal social club.

I guess the people only have a right to peaceful assembly if they are approved by the government.

Followed by a thug with a gun threatening to kidnap and have the person raped.

THIS IS NOT A CRIME!!

YES IT IS
Its called assault> IF I threaten to cut you with a knife and have a knife it is called assault

HE threatened to kidnap him and have him raped he had a gun and handcuffs on him.
this was assault.

any officer who does not find that threat a threat to the fabric of our nation and a INSULT to the men and women officers with honor has no HONOR himself.

I personally think the cop looked drunk or high. Slurring every word he said.
Just my opinion
Rob recently posted..Tips For Interacting With Police

1.) I will also ask: what is a illegal social club? What is so illegal about it that warrants police raids with teargas and cops with penchants for prison rape…?

2.) If you run into a cop (say at a donut shop) and tell him, “If you persist in looking at me that way I am going to see to it that you are brutally raped.” I guarantee that you will not only end up in jail and charged with assault but you will also suffer a beating at the hands of everyone’s favorite civil rights violators.
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Being threatened can be considered intimidation, there’s laws against that for sure.

I would have just started coughing and sneezing and made sure as much as possible went on him and his camera.

The crap about getting raped was pretty unprofessional. I think the camera person just got on his nerves too much by following him around. Of course that doesn’t excuse saying it.

I do think it was funny that he took out his iphone and started videotaping the other person right back.

I’ve dealt with annoying folks like this before. If you just ignore them, they usually realize you aren’t going to give them a show and they leave. However if you react like this officer, it just encourages them to stand around with that camera and yap like a chihuahua.

Here’s an article for you CM of another guy getting beat up by cops in Denver, CO. Since you didn’t post it this morning, I thought you may have missed it.

“New case & new video: Man walking dogs alleges police used excessive force”

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-second-police-beating-txt,0,3693269.story?...

Can you get this guys name? Soon as you do, I think america needs to flood their phone lines with and Call and let them know this officer is fired. Not, you need to fire him. but “He is fired, tell him to turn his badge and gun in, no if’s and’s or buts.” It’s we the people who are they boss, if they don’t like it, then they can accept what the duty of the people is in throwing off tyranny. Causing threatening rape and violence against people for exercising their rights is tyranny. They don’t get to do that. That’s why they threw off tyranny and formed the United States.

The only thing this officer is guilty of is stooping to the level of the two people taping him.

Really, oscar? I didn’t see either of them threaten the officer with kidnapping, false imprisonment, and rape, did you?
Dr. Q recently posted..Tips For Interacting With Police

Relax. The officer was rude but nothing that rises to the level of being fired.

They’re “<a href='http://rnc8.org/2008/10/video-rnc-8-interviewed-in-terrorizing-dissent/'anarchists,” that’s why the cops like to harass them. They’ve also done a pretty outstanding job documenting NYPD harassment of Critical Mass bike rides. (I only use quotes to bring attention to the multiple differing interpretations of the term “anarchist.”)

In reality, they’re pretty harmless … They’re not the bomb-wielding 19th century media image of “anarchist,” they’re the modern day information-wielding variety… and they’ve caught the NYPD in multiple lies.

So between assisting the NYPD with making themselves look bad, and stupid cops thinking “gotta save the city from bomb-wielding anarchists,” these guys get harassed. It’s a shame, as they’ve done a real public service.

This kind of shit is endless and validates that all we have today are thugs with guns posing as law enforcement officers. These criminals are not only brainless, but very twisted and demented and dangerous to the public.

When a mundane makes a credible threat to take someone somewhere against that person’s will, we say that the mundane threatened to kidnap someone.

When a cop does the same thing, he was just being “rude,” according to Johnny Law.
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According to a poster on the youtube video the Phone number for NYPD IAB 24Hr phone phone line is (212) 741-8401 Maybe would should all let the IAB know how bad this 1 officer makes the NYPD look and that there should be sever repercussion for his actions.
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This is a video of a police officer issuing a summons to a street preacher whose speech I disagree with. The officer was issuing a summons for noise violations. IS it free speech that is not the point here. HE can dispute that in court. He may even win. I offer this as a example.
This officer is NOT afraid of any camera or being video taped. He does his job professionally. He has honor and integrity he knows the law, properly tells them that they can dispute it in court, gives his badge number. HE takes control of the situation calmly and with integrity because he is a HONEST and HONORABLE officer. HE has NO fear of any camera.
only dirty cops have problems with cameras.
fast forward past the Bigoted Preacher to the Police part.
http://www.youtube.com/user/preachingjesus777#p/u/233/bXOEPXmTvEg

The person threatened by the cop should sue the cop and the City. The Cop’s threats violated his oath to uphold the law; he should be fired; the cop threatened the Citizen with cruel and unusual punishment violating the Citizen’s Constitutional rights. Cops could use the same threats to make people inform or confess to crimes they did not commit.

The cop’s crass threat of rape was way out of line. The threat of jail has some merits to it, considering what was taking place. He should get a serious ass chewing from the top and maybe even some documented disciplinary action. If he was undercover, he probably had some rank, which makes his screw up even more stupid.

I doubt that he had the nuts to follow up on his threat.

I love how the guy filming starts crying about the ofc filming the girl. That was classic.

Oscar,

That is typical with those agitator types. They can say or do whatever they want but as soon as someone turns the tables on them, the tears come out.

We sometimes have video cameras out on the street during big events. This is to document the size of the crowd and to be able to refute any bogus complaints. We always have someone come up and start whining about Big Brother watching them.

The Lieutenant should not have answered any questions on film and referred the guy to the media relations ofc. That’s what I on the few occasions people tried filming me while asking me qwuestions. Our policy prohibited us from conducting interviews without permission.

The guy filming may have been an ignorant jerkoff, but the “cop” was a total douchebag. Was the undercover officer drunk?

I am a little confused about the preacher video. The officer says he is going to issue a summons but that the preacher is not breaking the law. Maybe it is just the terminology that is confusing me (just like the preacher) but it sounds like the preacher is violating some local noise ordinance which would be a law.

In my area if we issue a citation for something and that doesn’t stop the behavior (such as noise ordinance) we make an arrest. I don’t see the point in tossing multiple citations at the guy if he is going to keep on with his actions.

I did like the way the officer interacted with the guy. Great demeanor.

The Difference in the law from state to state aside

I was impressed by the fact that because he knew he was a good cop, he had no problem being filmed. There are other better examples of police officers protecting peoples rights. Doing it with respect for the public they serve. With no fear of cameras or video.
Oh im being filmed NO problem but you are going to have to do this or that because you are not in compliance with the law. Thank you very much.
However the guy above in Carlos example was the poster boy for eventual disrespect for law enforcement as a whole. His action was contempt for the public he served and the seeds he sowed will be further contempt for the police that will be thrown ON some poor cop down the line.
In my business ,we police ourselves to create better craftsmen. The police protect guys like this and there Profession as a whole loses respect.

Who cares Rich #22? Honestly… That old ass video is a completely separate incident, with absolutely no bearing on this particular story.

Rance I was showing what I expected a officer to act like. I care ,as so did a few other posters who made a comment on it. You are not the center of the universe, if you continue to have that illusion you will continue to be considered a ASSHOLE. I am not the center of the Universe but Im sure I am not the only one who shares my opinion of you. IM sure, in your life you are often in conflict with others. If you would be less rude maybe your Life would change for the better.

One point that I haven’t seen addressed here is that the NYPD patrol manual explicitly states that an officer is to courteously give his name and badge number upon request. (Unfortunately I can’t find the PDF at the moment.)

When that cop refused to give his name and badge number, he was violating Department policy.

Now, while it might seem like a rather trivial issue to refuse to give that information, it’s anything but. Just see what an airport security guard says when you claim it’s no big deal if you don’t want to hand over your ID. Identifiability is crucial, in that it ensures accountability; if that person has done or does something wrong, you have a name and a badge number to pin it onto. Otherwise, in practical terms, there is very little one can do to hold that person accountable.

@jpc

Sir Robert Peel established back in the 1800s that police should even have badge numbers to insure accountability for their actions… covering just the sort of clownshoe we see in the video above.

Apparently guys like this go back a ways.

That’s why I said above that I was more concerned with the threats of arrest for just asking for that badge number than with the rape-threat puffery.
Michaelk42 recently posted..Unsurprisingly- Pogan gets no real punishment

@Rich – “You are not the center of the universe, if you continue to have that illusion you will continue to be considered a ASSHOLE.”

LMAO! You should harden the fuck up pal. I wasn’t trying to start a flame war with you so quit acting like a girl, and don’t be so damned sensitive. Yeah, I’m an asshole. I don’t give a shit who knows it, or if anyone calls me one. I don’t consider myself to be the “Center of the Universe” either, I just don’t mince words. I say what I feel, period.

Getting back on point, you answered my question – ” I was showing what I expected a officer to act like.” That’s all you needed to say toughguy.

Johnny Law: A cop has the real ability to haul someone in and hold them entirely on their own say-so. A credible threat to use power that one actually possesses, coupled with the threat of jail-rape, is not just rudeness. It’s criminal. There are people who cheer every time a cop is reported killed, and guys like that goddamned fucking piece of human filth are the reason why.

@Kevin Carson: “There are people who cheer every time a cop is reported killed, and guys like that goddamned fucking piece of human filth are the reason why.”

True, the cop in this video was a disgrace to the badge, but I’d never wish death on anyone, especially police officers. True, some cops are more suited to be garbage men, but saying that people cheer everytime a cop is reported killed, while it may be true, just isn’t cool. The people that do that aren’t even worthy to pick up my trash.

I actually don’t see anything that Johnny Law said in the comments here that warrant a response like this one, and JL will tell you I disagree with him quite often.

Kevin,

So the officer loses his temper and gets mouthy so he is a “goddamned piece of human filth”? C’mon dude. Yeah he was outta line on that one and acted unprofessionally but lets have a sense of perspective here.

Watch the horrific tape and ask yourself the following question – “At what point does a police officer become the thing he is supposed to guard society from?”

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2010/08/videonypd-undercover-cop-threate...

At what point does a police officer become a criminal? When he steps outside the bounds of the law and, in this case, credibly threatens a citizen with kidnapping and rape. This cop not only needs to be fired, he needs to be criminally prosecuted.

Prosecuted for what? Rudeness?

The sick thing is, is that if this “officer” had been murdered the day before this video was shot, everyone would have praised the man for what a great cop he was. If this is the attitude he displays and language he uses while on video, I’d hate to see how he acts when there are no cameras around. He has no business being in that line of work.

“Prosecuted for what? Rudeness?”

Johnny, what would happen to me if I threatened to drag someone and hold them in detention while they were abused and raped? What are the exact crimes being committed with that act.

That’s what Officer “Paul Simon” needs to be prosecuted for.

This crap is spreading, but I think it’s business as usual and only the growing ability for citizens to record and disseminate these occurrences make them appear more common. But other cops must have known this has been going on. And none of them have shown the courage and/or integrity to stand up and do something about it.

Think about how common these videos are becoming and ask yourself this: are incidents where cops bust other cops for breaking the law just as common? If not, then it’s not just “a few bad apples” making cops look bad — it’s a few good apples surrounded by corruption.

And if that’s the case, then most cops in any given sample *are* the bad apples. Have you and Oscar ever reigned in a bad apple?

The prosecutor could start by looking at 18 USC 242 and working down from there.

Note that if 18 USC 242 applies under attempted infringement (it certainly does when the infringement is sucessful), the cop in question could face the death penalty.

M.A., “aggrivated assault” is one of the charges likely to apply to the cop in this case, in particular because a reasonable person can very well believe this cop could drag the videographer to jail without legal cause and therefore be a potential accessory to rape.

Aggrivated Assault is usually a felony charge.

@Carlos, after speaking with the person that recorded this video about when he said the officer had no right to film them, I realized he was referring to the “Handschu Agreement”.

Quoted from Wikipedia, it states:
“According to the terms of the agreement, purely political activity can only be investigated by the Public Security Section (PSS) of the NYPD’s Intelligence Division, and then only when the Section suspects criminal activity. When the PSS does suspect criminal activity on the part of political groups, it must obtain a warrant from the three-person Handschu Authority, a commission made up of two deputy commissioners and a mayor-appointed civilian.

The agreement also prohibits indiscriminate police videorecording and photographing of public gatherings when there is no indication that unlawful activity is occurring.

The department is also prohibited from sharing information pertaining to political activity with other law enforcement agencies unless those agencies agree to abide by the terms of the Handschu agreement.

The court order mandates the compiling of annual, publicly-available reports listing the surveillance requests made by the NYPD and the number of such requests granted.”

The GWC here is obviously mistaken in his interpretation of Handschu. If he were to file a complaint against the officer for violating that agreement, he would have to be able to prove that his filming of the cop was done for purely political reasons, which we know to be a load of crap.

While we know he was wrong, it is blatantly obvious that the undercover was as well. Thought I would throw that out there so you had an idea about what he was talking about.

Wong,

The death penalty? You have really taken a train ride to crazyland. The cop did not commit any crime here, much less a felony.

As distasteful as his words were, the officer didn’t say he would rape anyone. Wong may be ready to put this guy on the gallows but he needs a reality check.

This cop is a perfect example of why I call them the filth, because that’s what this asshole is, filth, utter filth. Of course all cops in New York are dirty anyways, no surprise here. Here’s an idea, take away their toys and let everyone else open carry. That would shut these pricks up. Society needs to ostracize his ass, if he walks into a store the store ownere refuses to sell him anything, if he walks into a cafe nobody serves him coffee, then of course he would go postal and shoot people, but hey, aren’t they all sociopaths living on borrowed time already?

Rance I was merly pointing out the fact that your interactions with others would go far better if you stopped being and asshole. If you choose to go through life being one that’s fine.
You could have said Hey Rich I don’t see how this has anything to do with this thread could you explain?
That is how human beings without a anti social disorder OR Assholes interact with each other.
I wasn’t being thin skinned I was just trying to help. I will be more sensitive to your particular disorder in the future. Your Here your a Rear Get used to it

“I’m not going to rape you, the people where I’m going to put you against your will with no legitimate cause are going to.”

…

I guess that makes all the difference, then.
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