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I think people listed in this database should have a serial number tattooed onto their arm and be forced to wear an armband whenever they are in public. That way, the general population can help track and keep an eye on their activities. Heaven help you if you are not carrying papers or other ID when stopped for legally taking photographs.

"I think people listed in this database should have a serial number tattooed onto their arm and be forced to wear an armband whenever they are in public."

Did you see Idiocracy? In 2500 we'll all have
zebra codes tattooed on our arms and scanners
will be positioned everywhere. Missed that
court date for Speeding?? Jaywalking?
WARNING WARNING DANGEROUS FUGITIVE !!

So the thinking is, if you are photographing public buildings and landmarks with a big bulky camera, protruding lens and cumbersome tripod, you must be clandestinely scouting potential targets.

Makes perfect sense.

Harassing photographers or sticking their names into some database is flatly unconstitutional. You have a right under the 1st Amendment to take pictures of whatever you can see. The Philly officers just might be liable for damages in a civil action for deprivation of your civil rights, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983.

Harassing photographers or sticking their names into some database is flatly unconstitutional. You have a right under the 1st Amendment to take pictures of whatever you can see. The Philly officers just might be liable for damages in a civil action for deprivation of your civil rights, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983.

I agree with the Philly cops. Taking photos of wheelchair accessible ramps is clearly an act of terrorism, and the photog should be sent to Gitmo immediately. Oh yeah, this makes perfect sense...

I totally agree with Dave Clark's comment

This should have been made Public to all photographers
out there so they knew about this. Not to be minding your own Business & taking Photos & then the Transit Police officer's want to add Scott's Name to the Terrorism Data Base

I never heard of such a thing its ridiculous They better come up with something better & leave the Photographers
alone Scott was not committing a crime just trying to enjoy his day off & pursue his passion taking a Photo

While theres no evidence whatsoever that ANY terrorist attack involved photo reconnaissance, the FBI just changed that. In the recent arrest of the terrorist in DC, the FBI set up covert meeting places and asked him to gather photo's of potential targets. So keep this in mind, terrorist's do take photo's of their targets now, but only when working for the FBI...

http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/wfo102710.htm

I think Frederick was a fool for giving the PTP his I.D.. Hasn't he ever read PINAC? All the cops did was ask for his I.D. and he gave it to them willingly. I commented on his blog "You don't have to show I.D." and he came back "Oh yes you do". This is one of the guys who's hurting the cause.

I think when your put in a situation like that & you don't know what they are going to do it was easier to Comply with what they wanted & Sure they told him he had 2 show ID to make sure who he was & not get himself arrested And don't think Frederick is hurting the cause
by any means

And by creating this list of "suspicious activity" they're effectively just creating a haystack of false positives to hide needles in.

Except there don't appear to be any actual needles, except the fake ones the FBI creates (as nevernot points out above.)

Now it's not just "never talk to the police," it's "and never give them ID if you can avoid it, too."

Very Good Comment

Quoted from my blog.

"I must admit I don't know much about Photographer's rights when it's mixed with authority trying to adjust the system. I do come from the school of not playing hard ass with the police. As I look back at what I could of or couldn't of done, and I honestly thank all of you for your input! I chose what I chose. I can say this much in Philadelphia the cops don't fuck around, and I could of chosen to refuse my ID. HOWEVER!!! I never thought I'd be submitting it for a Terrorism Data Base document. I was more concerned about getting home to pick up my little girl from school. So forgive me all you hardcore know it alls out there about RIGHTS. What I know is photography, and I know it damn well. I encourage you to learn a few things from me."

Now we're even, Peace!

thats a killer pic too! well worth the grief!

must have been shot with a nikonnnnnnnnn

This reeks of McCarthyism.

Whats next? Witch Trials? Jack boots kicking in my door?

Blind patriotism bolstered by hysteria and ignorance is rampant. No one thinks anymore.

Do not criticize Mr.Frederick, He was there, you were not. A wise man picks his battles, this was his right to choose and I am certain he had his reasons and made the right choice for his self and the conditions at the time.

Do not criticize Mr.Frederick, He was there, you were not. A wise man picks his battles, this was his to choose and I am certain he had his reasons and made the right choice for his self and the conditions at the time.

I have a good story that could help keep a person with an awful track record with justice out of a very high government office:

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/10/28/cooley-says-hed-be-non-partisan-atto...

Steve Cooley running for Attorney General of California:

"Critics say Cooley hasn’t always taken an evenhanded approach. The Los Angeles Times reported two years ago that he's opted to file criminal charges in 4 percent of police misconduct cases the LAPD’s referred to him – half the rate of his predecessor.

Veteran criminal justice journalist Joe Domanick wonders why Cooley didn’t file more charges in the police department’s Rampart scandal.

“I never could get a satisfactory answer from him about why he wasn’t vigorously looking into these other divisions," Domanick said.

Cooley says the evidence didn’t warrant more prosecutions."

Vote for Kamala Harris if you want to see abusive cops brought to justice.

I thought Obama was supposed to rescue us from the Patriot act and other egregious anti citizen government activities. So far I've just seen things get worse.

No one in power wants to give you (citizens) freedom. Freedom is not free, but you have to fight for.

Let me say it again, it is absolutely amazing that what you can do in a communist country, Venezuela, you can't do here:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=73853&id=1365704512&l=565ec05c47

This harassment of peaceful people is a disgrace.

I found this info interesting and disturbing.

According to officials who designed the SAR Initiative, pre-emptive policing is based on behaviors regardless of race, ethnicity, or political associations. Behaviors otherwise overlooked by police enforcement become what is called a "reasonable indication" of suspicious activity. The definition of "reasonable suspicion" became independent of actual crime and criminal predicates in the adoption of this initiative's use of "reasonable indication".

Privacy safeguards and legal limitations were overlooked in code 28 CFR 23, in accord with The Justice Systems Improvement Act of 1979. This code necessitates an actual crime as a predicate for reasonable suspicion and the creation of an intelligence record. This code is being challenged to downgrade current predicates for criminal intelligence, to simply "reasonable indication" of possible crime. Using "reasonable indication" officers can gather any data, at any time for intelligence purposes without probable cause.

Found this.

The SAR Initiative creates a standard process for law enforcement in more than two dozen states and cities to identify and report suspicious incidents or behaviors associated with specific threats or terrorism. It makes first responders first preventers, as well. The system allows the information to be shared nationally so that it can be used to identify broader trends. We are working with our partners at DOJ to expand this program to every state to make it as comprehensive and effective as possible. By next month, the system will be implemented in an additional 17 locations in addition to the 12 operational, and will cover nearly 70 percent of the American population. We plan for it to be fully implemented on a national scale by the end of 2011

Amen Scott Frederick
Very Good

It sounds as Mr. Frederick should be talking with the ACLU.

I'll say this once again, when cops ask for your ID, state your name. DO NOT hand over your ID. You are only required to identify yourself(If it's a legal Terry Stop), you are NOT required to provide physical ID.

And NEVER consent to a voluntary search.