Photographer Ruled by Judge Joe

Everyone is weighing in on the photographer that got “ruled” by Judge Joe Brown.

Well I’m gonna weigh in as well and I’m saying that everyone was right and everyone was wrong.

Before I get to the details watch the video if you haven’t.

Remember that this is a television show that thrives on people’s emotions so getting all theatrical is kinda the Judge’s job.

It’s how he gets his ratings.

He did seem somewhat knowledgeable about photography and how cameras work in general but also a bit dated.

While the camera that the photographer uses isn’t necessarily a “pro” rated camera it’s certainly capable of producing rather large images and would probably suffice for most people’s weddings at that price range depending on where they live.

The plaintiff, of course, was emotional but poised and that’s what won the judge over.  He was instantly empathetic to her views and, no doubt, has seen a few of these types of cases before.

The photographer wasn’t able to handle herself well in court, in fact I thought she was pretty rude a few times, so she really didn’t come across as professional in that aspect and I did have issues with a couple of the things that her and her partner said during the case.

They said they had done “hundreds” of weddings with no problems.  Here’s where I may come across as a jerk but, if you’ve done “hundreds” of weddings I’m gonna assume you’ve been doing this for 2-3 years.  What are you still doing shooting weddings with a Canon Rebel with a kit lens?  How do you not know how fast your other lens was?  Why are you still charging only $1300 for a wedding?

The photographer wasn’t really given a chance to prove her case and that’s where the Judge was wrong.

The judge didn’t let her explain enough so he’s certainly not without fault and how do you let the plaintiff get off with a possible lie in where she may of may not  have initially met the photographer?  He said it doesn’t matter but I’ll argue that it does.

Oddly enough the judge, in the beginning, kinda stuck up for the photographer when the plaintiff said the initial prints were done on Fuji paper at a Walmart.  If they were just proofs to get the final order done I say who cares?  In the end it’s how you present your work that will help determine your worth.  I prefer slideshows instead of wasting the money on proofs but to each their own.

Was the plaintiff wrong?  It’s really tough to tell.  We didn’t get to see the photographer’s portfolio compared to the final product and, to me, that’s what the ruling should have been based on.

Did the photographer produce work that was consistent with the photographer’s previous work?

Regardless of how much a photographer charges it’s the photographer’s portfolio or website that determines whether that photographer delivered the promised results.  Not the price.

You certainly can’t expect a $1300 wedding photographer to produce the same results as a $5300 wedding photographer but you should know that going in and you simply can’t expect too much at that price.

Most of the people who read this website are newer or intermediate photographers (although I do know a few “pros” that read this website as well so I’d like to see your input also) so I put this question to you:

Does a video like this make you think twice about how you would handle being a wedding photographer?  Why?  Why not?

And…do you think the judge was too harsh in his ruling or do you think the photographer got hosed?

You know where the comments section is located.

Comments

Anonymous
Anonymous

I believe the photographer lost the case for herself. Judge Joe was also wrong as most wedding photographers have at one time or another, ran across a church were flash was prohibited. Of course she should have found this out before the wedding and discussed it with the bride and groom and possibly restaged some of the shots if possible. The photographer can write it off as a learning lesson and be better prepared next time.

Anonymous
Anonymous

That certainly correct, price does matter when it comes to quality of a wedding photographer services.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I agree. Judge Joe was rather quick to assume that every church allows flash photography and I've done a few weddings where flash isn't allowed.

You are correct that the photographer should have known about this before hand. It's very wise to do your homework before every wedding. She could have gotten faster lenses for that weekend from a rental place.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If Judge Joe Brown thinks that a "Professional Photographer" uses a Canon XTi and charges $1,300 for a wedding -- he is more ignorant than he appears in the clip.

I would love to know if she ever claimed to be a "Professional".

In the end, her attitude got the best of her. She should have composed herself, but obviously she let her emotions get the best of her. It's a shame really, because she would have been able to win on so many counts if she had a lawyer.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think that was one of the reasons he awarded the plaintiff so much. Her attitude + a "pro" using a Rebel. He clearly had disdain for her equipment choice.

Maybe he's a Nikon guy?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Your Nikon comment made me laugh out loud at work!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Awesome!

At least you didn't spit coffee on your screen or keyboard...not that I've ever done that before...

Anonymous
Anonymous

These tv judges rarely care about making a fair judgment. They almost always favor one side from the beginning and the other side has little chance of winning. It does sound like the photographer was unprepared about the use of flash. Still, you can't exactly expect a low budget photographer to have extra equipment for rare situations like this.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yep, right on. She should've done her homework better. We all get caught out by not studying the little details early in our careers, no matter what the line of work. And seems to me like that's the case with this photographer too.

Till then,

Jean

Anonymous
Anonymous

A lot of these "judge" shows are scripted. The judge sometimes knows what he's going to say before the show unfolds.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You're probably right.

Most people are finally starting to realize that so called "reality shows" are very scripted and manipulated.

These TV Judge shows are probably the same when it comes to that.

It's all for ratings after all.

Anonymous
Anonymous

edharris, I agree with you. In my opinion, the judge knows what he's going to say before sometimes the show unfolds.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Ok, so I had to comment. I am a professional, not weddings mind you, and I am sure you could get fine results from a rebel body. But she didn't even know what an f stop was, this "professional" had no idea how her equipment worked or even the basics of how light works. I would bet money she shot everything on auto and that is why she has no idea what f stop was used.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Depends on your subject.

People have made a living photographing things in their own backyard.

I think digital has made photography ultra-competitive. You need a hook and sometimes that may mean that you will need to travel. Ultimately, it will depend on your imagery. Traveling or not.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yeah, I think there were many, more technical photographers (yes I'm in that group), that feel the same way you do.

There's a natural tendency to be frustrated by those calling themselves "professionals" when they don't know the technicalities of photography.

That being said...I remember when I first started out. I used my artistic eye for cropping and composition as a crutch while I wrapped my head around how light really works.

I would have given her a pass, most likely, if they hadn't chimed in with the whole "we've done hundreds of weddings with no problems" bit.

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