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How much should you charge for a photograph?Political Hecklers Accused of Crime for Videotaping Officers
A pair of political hecklers were ejected from a Bill Clinton speech in Florida after consistently disrupting his speech with shouts of 9/11 being an inside job.
Once outside, police asked for their identifications, which they refused to provide because they claimed they had a First Amendment right to disrupt the speech.
That part is debatable because it is clear they were disrupting the event and possibly committing disorderly conduct.
But what isn't debatable is when an officer informed the men that they were committing a crime by videotaping the officers without their permission. The officer even attempts to confiscate the camera.
"If you are recording me, you are committing a crime," one of the officers states.
The men rightfully inform the officer that they are not committing a crime by videotaping them.
A sergeant then walks up and does not appear to be concerned about the videotaping, only about the fact that the men are refusing to provide identifications.
But he wasn't that concerned because he allowed them to walk away without further incident.
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Now they were over the line. In this case, other than the video taping, the cops were right.
The cops were wrong at every point. Their behavior matches perfectly what someone would expect under an authoritarian dictatorship.
And isn't that what America is today and for over a decade?
Look at what happened to James J. Lee.
http://fprison.wordpress.com
That page on James J. Lee is pretty incoherent, though with nice gratuitous pictures of scantily clad women. I had to look him up on Wikipedia to realize who he is. He's the guy who took hostages at the Discovery Channel headquarters on Sept. 1, 2010. I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for him. His weapons turned out to be starter pistols, but how was anybody to know that?
I'm not reluctant to criticize police, as readers of my other comments know, but in this case I can't find anything wrong with how they reacted. If I'd been there and armed, I would have shot the guy myself.
All you have to do is read the center column. It has everything about James J. Lee's life and death. The problem is you were distracted by the sidebar pictures.
James J. Lee ended up in Discovery headquarters because no one in the American media would talk to him, just as no one in the corporate media will talk to anyone who is not on the CIA/FBI/Zionist approved list.
The American people are targeted as the enemy.
http://fprison.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/james-j-lee/
What a pair of numbnuts!
9/11 was an outside job!
I don't pretend to know whether the government was involved in 9/11, but something is very fishy:
http://files.meetup.com/749288/NanoThermite%20paper.pdf
The presence of significant amounts of nano-thermite in dust from many different places is highly suggestive. Aluminum powder is found nowhere in nature, as aluminum is so eager to oxidize that it exists in elemental form only when deliberately refined. Grinding it up into fine dust is also a difficult, expensive process. I suggest that you keep an open mind as to what happened at the WTC.
That said, I join in the condemnation of anyone who disrupts a speech, even one given by one of our odious ex-presidents.
That's a whole other can of worms, so I won't get into it other than to say that the thermite/nano-thermite argument is extremely weak at best.
Back on topic, while the officer was wrong for telling them the recording was illegal, the hecklers were fortunate to have gotten off without any charges in the end.
It is admittedly off-topic, but I'd be curious to hear the basis upon which you claim it is "extremely weak at best".
It's simple science amigo. Just google "debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories", and search around. There are literally thousands of websites that explain why the truthers are wrong in that respect, and most will show scientific fact to back it up. Not one thermite test that they have performed has been able to recreate the conditions necessary to bring down the towers.
Ah, "simple science". You might want to download and read the .pdf. There is detailed information about tests made on dust samples taken from several locations in the surrounding area. All showed significant concentrations of micro-thermite.
Thermite couldn't have brought down the towers, you say? That may be true; of course, the same has been said about jet fuel. However, whether or not thermite can melt steel, where did it come from?
Again, I am not asserting any particular conclusion regarding who brought the towers down. Absent fraud on the part of the scientists involved, however, I still conclude that something is very fishy.
"Absent fraud on the part of the scientists involved"
^ This is key. I've read the reports. I've read differing reports coming from both sides of the fence, and I've made my own conclusions based on the evidence presented by both sides. I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job.
What sounds fishy to me, is that there are people living in this country who hate it so much (I'm not saying you're one of them at all), that they have convinced themselves that our government is SO evil, that our government perpetrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks to further their evil political agenda to go war in the middle east. Just typing the words makes it sound even more preposterous.
To think of the manpower it would take to pull off a controlled demolition of this magnitude, without alerting anyone within any of the trade center buildings, is mind boggling and absurd.
This is why I didn't want to get into this topic of discussion in the first place. Just think about it, and draw your own conclusions.
(Edited to answer your other question: "However, whether or not thermite can melt steel, where did it come from?"
Thermite is a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide. I give you aircraft aluminum from the plane, mixed with the rust (iron oxide) from the red iron girders of the towers. To ignite Thermite, you must have an extremely high heat source (burning jet fuel). These elements combined, could easily create the amount of thermite found in the rubble, and the dust found within miles of ground zero. Yes, thermite can melt steel, though it is so volatile that it cannot be controlled enough to create the clean, "sheared" cuts that were present in the world trade center attacks. When thermite melts through steel, it bubbles and pops violently, and simply destroys everything it touches, though isn't capable of making even cuts. Hope this helps.)
I hope you're right!
This is clearly a disorderly conduct offense. The cop was actually being pretty respectful to the dirty hippies.
How is it in any respectful, of anything (their oath, the law, their duty, citizens, etc) to threaten to charge someone with a crime they did not commit, instead of the one they plainly did commit?
A tip, Omen. You'll say something someone disagrees with sooner or later. There's no need for a legally protected right to say things other people like, after all.
There was nothing wrong with what they said, it was how they went about doing it. Peaceful assembly does not mean screaming out during a speech. As far as the crime of videotaping without consent went, that was a load of bull. However, the police officer was not being a dick about the way he spoke to them.
Saint Ola is delivering a speech about future galaxy where human can live.
Shut up!
Hey, you commit a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of what????????????????
Nut!!!
Cop was definately wrong about taping them being a crime and trying to steal the camera. However they were right to kick these hippies out of where Clinton was giving his speech.
As for 9-11 being an inside job: Bush isn't smart enough to pull something like that!
smart enough to get re-elected. smart enough to have an administration that allowed the financial collapse by ridding the government of the oversight offices for the specific trading that allowed the collapse.
smart enough to make us all think he's dumb.
Do campus police forces have the same authority as regular police, or are the just glorified security. If they issue a summons, do you go before a local judge or a campus organization?
I'd like to know that as well.. I would guess that they have more authority on a state school campus than they do on a private school campus. Unless you are a student then a campus organization really has no authority over you..
yeah, it would suck if you ended up on double secret probation.
The best thing about Florida is its very broad public records law. Everything the government touches is a public record. Most municipal meetings are generally taped, emails are fully open to scrutiny, just about everything is open to the public. You can even access municipal utilities records to see how much water your neighbors use. At least the superior officer knew not to hassle over the taping. Too bad Miami Metro Rail still can't get the message.
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