Parents And Police On Lookout For "Suspicious Man" Photographing Children

Parents are panicking again over a man with a camera photographing their children in a public park in Michigan.

And, of course, the television news is all over it, warning parents that a bespectacled man in his 60s with a long lens might be photographing their kids. And even going as far as putting their photos on the internet.

Police have even issued alerts, which means it’s only a matter of time they catch up to this dangerous culprit with his camera

The man told concerned parents that he has no kids on the playground, but he is just a hobbyist.

That was enough to deem him suspicious, even though there is no evidence where he tried to approach or even talk to the kids.

Nevertheless, Local 10 was all over the story, trying to determine if there was a “sinister element” to it all.

One mother interviewed said that the only people allowed to photograph kids are parents. Anybody else would be considered creepy.

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He was seen looking at the players rosters and you don't think that is suspicious?

"That was enough to deem him suspicious, even though there is no evidence where he tried to approach or even talk to the kids"

I am offended by this comment, it is not illegal to approach children or to even talk to them, it is a 1st amendment right. One of my favorite hobbies is random child approaching and talking. They say the darndest things and if it is fun to approach and talk to children who I don't know.

JdL

He was seen looking at the players rosters and you don't think that is suspicious?

Apparently to people like you, ANYTHING is suspicious. If these rosters aren't supposed to be public knowledge, why aren't they kept locked up?

I can't IMAGINE what it must feel like to live your entire life running in fear from every sight or sound you can't explain in infinite detail. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

how unfortunate and obnoxious...

JdL

My GOD what a nation of cowards the U.S. has become!

JdL

The national anthem needs an update to reflect today's cowardly state of the American people:

Oh say, look, that star-spangled banner yet waves
O'er the land gripped by fear
And the home of the slaves

No question mark needed!

How is a parent a coward for being concerned how images of their children might be used - or misused?

Continuing to belittle persistent public concerns, especially regarding children, seems to be a way of avoiding an honest analysis of social concerns regarding photography.

JdL

If a sicko takes a picture of your kid and jerks off to it, he's a sick jerk. But, even IF that's what going on in this story, it still doesn't harm the child, or its parents.

But what about the Internet?? Another cry of fear often heard. Was your child naked? If so, YOU are being irresponsible. In the story above, all the kids were fully clothed. It does no harm for a random shot of a random kid to appear on the Internet.

There are plenty of real dangers for parents to worry about: accidents, poisons that the kid might find and ingest, and school bullies (and not just the teachers! ;-j ) come to mind. By chasing phantoms instead of real dangers, parents endanger their children, and make them grow up fearing every shadow, just as the parents do.

I stand by my statement: this is cowardice, not reason.

"How is a parent a coward for being concerned how images of their children might be used - or misused?"

Because taking pictures of people, regardless of age, in public is not a crime.

And that is the honest analysis. You don't want your kids to be spied by strangers in public then keep them locked up in the basement.

The only social concern is since when did engaging in an act of freedom and self expression become some negative threat on Life, the Universe, and Everything?

Don't like the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution??? Crawl under a rock. Curl up. And die.

Sweet Jesus, dude, no need to be a belligerent legalist about it. I realize it's not a crime, and I haven't given any suggestion that the law is wrong. But there are deeper social issues of having a degree of power over others with a camera that you're ignoring, and combativeness isn't making them go away.

"You don't want your kids to be spied by strangers in public then keep them locked up in the basement."

That's a pretty weak comeback, and it works both ways: if you don't wan't to be suspected of something and possibly harassed or investigated, then don't go around taking pictures of kids at a playground.

Yeah, it's your 1st amendment right. You have lots of rights, but that doesn't mean it's always smart to exercise.

"Don't like the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution??? Crawl under a rock. Curl up. And die."

Wow, you're going to win a lot of converts to the cause like that.

Please explain how a photo can be misused? What does that even mean? What if I was taking a photo of my kid and another kid was in the frame? Is that ok?

Parental instincts to protect their children is a strong emotion. I understand that. We parents would always want to know about anyone around our children. Nothing wrong with that. But there is no justification for calling police and creating hysteria when someone is doing a perfectly legal activity.

Another appeal to strict legalism, of which I'm quite familiar.

One only has to look as far as Phillip Garrido, them man who is locked for the rest of his life for kidnapping and holding captive Jaycee Dugard. He was such a controlling manipulative bastard that he had his wife taking videos of little girls at the playground an luring them into their van so she could video them doing splits just so he could watch the tapes and get his jollies.

That is of course an extreme example and the vast majority of the people shooting photos have no malice whatsoever, but ti is asshole like Garrido that make parents that much more nervous and likely to report the least suspicious of legal activities.

"One mother interviewed said that the only people allowed to photograph kids are parents. Anybody else would be considered creepy."

Says the mom who allows the tv news to video her kids playing behind her...

Established news channels have some accountability as to how the images of their children are used.

JdL

Are you claiming that if a sicko worked for a news channel, as the actual videographer or someone who edited or even filed videos, that person would somehow find it hard to access videos for his own use?

Or are you claiming that we can rest assured that no sickos work for news channels? I'd expect the opposite, that sick people would be drawn to an occupation in which lots of videos come through every day.

I'm not claiming that; try again. I'm just weary of photographers calling everybody paranoid and crazy when they won't address the asymmetrical social power that a camera gives a photographer.

People's reactions are quite understandable given the unequal power.

Yes, I understand it's legal.

Yes, I understand your intentions are honorable.

It's the power issue, and when you have a camera and are using it, and others aren't, it's unequal.

I'm not against you either -- I'm just addressing that the whole world isn't paranoid and crazy as an explanation of how people often and fairly consistently react to cameras.

JdL

OK, I'm just trying to understand what you mean by news channels having "accountability". I can see that my reply was confusing in that it seemed as if was saying you could only mean one of two things. If neither of the two meanings I guessed are correct, what DO you mean by saying that news channels have "accountability"?

If WKAM cameramen were on the beach taking film in a manner similar to photographers compiling a "Girls Gone Wild" video, how soon would WKAM be out of business? Ever hear of "public opinion" and advertisers?

Photographers always appeal to the legal, while belittling legitimate social issues.

Quite simply, taking images of people gives the photographer some measure of power over the photographed. The power is real and widely acknowledged; aren't cameras regarded as the new guns?

For police accountability, cameras are an equalizing power to their gun power.

But to the general public, cameras are an asymmetrical power.

Yes, as I said, I'm quite familiar with the legalistic argument. Life and society are more than legality, as yet another instance regarding the power of photography demonstrates.

"gives the photographer some measure of power over the photographed."
YESSSS!, The more souls I collect the more power I accrue. Bow down weak ones, to the power of my soul stealing dslr!

Wanna trade souls? I have some here that are rather stale to me. I also need some New Zealand souls for my collection. I'll trade you some Japanese souls for them if interested.

Also I hear the new Nikon D4 will be a killer. Literally. Not only will it be able to store 50 more souls than the D3 but if you suck a cop's soul they will wither and die on the spot. (kidding, we all know there is no guarantee every cop has a soul!)

:)

If cameras were not a variety of social power, then why are there so many articles on how the camera is the new gun? There is nothing mystical about it, and to construe it that way is merely a means of avoiding an honest assessment.

" why are there so many articles on how the camera is the new gun?"

There are? Care to reference just three of them? I've never seen even one.

Cameras don't kill people. Guns kill people.

Google "the+camera+is+the+new+gun." Voilà!

"The camera is the new gun" | Pixiq
www.pixiq.com/article/the-camera-is-the-new-gun

Are Cameras the New Guns?
gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns

Camera is the New Gun - Judge Napolitano‏ - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjOkaH8kfaU

Why the camera is the new gun.
videosift.com/video/Why-the-camera-is-the-new-gun

And I'm not talking about lethality. I'm talking about power in a social context. Cameras have the power to humiliate, to empower, to make famous, to embarrass, to reveal, to complicate, etal.

Cameras are power. Cameras equalize power with cops.

Cameras are also a display, depending on the photographer's behavior, of asymmetrical social power with the general public.

JdL

Yep. There are people who compare cameras with guns. But it's pretty silly, isn't it?

The only ability cameras have to harm people is by revealing some ugly truth which otherwise would have been buried. That's not exactly "power" in my book. Not the kind of "power" that comes with squeezing a trigger and ending someone's life.

Let's PLEASE get past silly analogies.

No, it's not silly to compare the social power of a camera to something that also has much social power, a firearm.

We're not comparing lethality, we're comparing social power, defined as, "a measure of an entity's ability to control the environment around itself, including the behavior of other entities."

That people consistently react with strong emotions to cameras demonstrates the cameraman's social power.

JdL

That people consistently react with strong emotions to cameras demonstrates the cameraman's social power.

It demonstrates nothing more than a level of irrational fear, I believe. In Salem Mass, in 1648 or whenever, I can hear someone saying, "That people consistently react with strong emotions to witches demonstrates witches' social power."

A camera has no power to harm anyone, only to reveal what otherwise would have been hidden. The fact that so many people are hysterical about cameras indicates only how many hysterical people there are today.

Actually, cameras do have the ability to harm, and to embarrass, to humiliate, even to deceive.

Kol.Klink said in part..

"Quite simply, taking images of people gives the photographer some measure of POWER over the photographed."

WHAT..!!..?

Are you that naive' to really believe that garbage?

What POWER over you do photographers have when they take your photo while your in public doing nothing wrong?

Do they have the POWER to foreclose on your house.. repo your vehicle.. blackmail you.. force you to give them your T.V.. etc., etc.

It's obvious that you've been drinking too much of the Government Kool Aid! I guess with all this POWER we have over you, it would be best if you stay home locked up in the basement so you won't feel so powerless if your photo's taken.

Rail Car Fan

Apparently, you're confusing the term "social power" with coercion.

Social Power is a measure of an entity's ability to control the environment around itself, including the behavior of other entities.

This whole blog is about the cameraman's potential to effect behavioral changes in people.

If you are a photographer that lives in a van down by the river, your hobby of photographing playgrounds might be in danger. I suggest you put on your nicest pair of jean shorts, head over to your local elementary school, and collect signatures from the children, saying that they are ok with hanging out with you and your camera even if their parents are not around. :-)

Seriously though, if your kids are fully dressed, and you have taken them into public, then photographs are harmless and out of your control as a parent. If the kids are not fully dressed, then you are a horrible parent.

The problem is, that the average person doesn't understand photography as an art and does not understand what use a picture of an unknown child could be, other than a prurient one. Just like the story a while back about the photog harassed for shooting the lifeguard at the pool. The cop claimed that he was shooting little kids in their bikinis. Well if you are that worried about your little child being used as some sort of sexual stimulant, how about NOT PLACING THEM IN A BIKINI!!! Since when is it acceptable for little kids to wear bikinis? I love how society has "sexed up" kids at an increasingly younger age ( through advertising, and social norms ), and then try to harass perfectly innocent individuals due to a problem that they, as parents, contribute to.

Just to play Devil's advocate though, do the people on here who have a distorted reality that ALL police harass photographers and do not protect the law, feel any sort of kinship to these people who think ALL photographers are pedophiles?

Also, I would add, that as photographers, as in anything else, I think there is a such thing as proper manners and a proper ettiquette when handling these types of situations. It doesn't hurt to be polite and courteous to parents. While you are not breaking a law, most parents would not feel comfortable with some stranger taking photos of their children simply out of a paternal instinct to protect that child. ( not just from sexual things, but any unwanted use of their child's image that could be embarrassing to them at a future date given today's social networking ) It is not illegal for me to walk up to a wedding that is being performed in a public park and begin snapping away like a paparazzo with a hot-shoe flash, but its obnoxious, and disrespectful. I think EVERYONE can learn to be a little more courteous, including photographers. With that said, if push comes to shove and you are being unfairly harassed, even after making all reasonable attempts to be courteous, then by all means, fight for your right.

"...do the people on here who have a distorted reality that ALL police harass photographers and do not protect the law, feel any sort of kinship to these people who think ALL photographers are pedophiles?"

Uh, say what?

Who ever said ALL police harass photographers?

And not all photographers shoot people. At all.

And just because a wedding is in a public park does not mean it isn't private. If a permit was needed and purchased you could not just walk in uninvited to do as you please. There are city parks that will not even let wedding parties enter (just for photographs) without permits being shown to the cops on park duty first.

Nicely stated. Just because one has a right to do something, that doesn't make it right to engage in that action.

Wow, I regularly photographer a couple of young teen girls (and they give me beautiful photos!) and their moms think its the greatest thing. They are always present and encouraging.

I can't imagine what I would say if I was out in public and decided to take pictures of some children playing in a fountain or wherever they may be and having everyone get paranoid about it.

Its like taking a photo of a federal building and getting hassled about it.

Do these parents think this guy is going to put his street photography of these kids on some kiddy porn site? I don't think it works that way myself but perhaps I'm naive.

And even if the guy is a pervert and goes home to wank off to his little kiddy pics, still, who is he hurting? What law has he broken?

Sure, parents should be cautious but I don't think having their kids photographed by a random stranger is anything they should be worried about. Now if the guy shows up everywhere they go or he is shooting pics through their bedroom window, then maybe you have a problem.

Generally speaking, when I take photos of children, I usually get close up so I can capture the expression on their face and, if their parents are attentive, I always give them my card and tell them to email me and I will send them the photos. Oddly, those parents rarely email for the photos. This is something I don't understand because if a professional photographer took pictures of my kid then handed me his card and said I could have the photos for free, I'd be all over it.

Apparently taking photographs is prima facie evidence that the photographer is a terrorist, a criminal and a pedophile. Soon Congress will be submitting an amendment to the bill of rights specifically excluding photographers from having any rights at all. When do they start rounding us all up, stuffing us in rail cars and sending us to to extermination camps?

"Arbeit Macht Frei" I can hear the jackboots marching up the street now.......

Man it's just a matter of respect that photographers should have for people. There has to be some kind of etiquette that separates us from talentless paparazzi. Asking isn't impossible. You don't even have to disrupt the kids, just ASK the parents and 90% of adults will say yes, as long as you reveal your intentions. I do it and it works. If photographers don't quit acting like moody sociopaths and have respect for the people they're capturing, then maybe the photographers don't reserve more rights.

JdL

If photographers don't quit acting like moody sociopaths and have respect for the people they're capturing, then maybe the photographers don't reserve more rights.

Cool phrase, "moody sociopaths" ;-j . As in my reply below, I support the idea of encouraging photographers to engage parents before photographing their kids.

But the statement "maybe the photographers don't reserve more rights" is a non-sequitur. Nobody's asking for "more rights"; we're trying to head off a massive constriction in rights, which can be fed by just this kind of hysteria.

Your correction is right, I was more replying to the comment that the government wanted to take away photographer's rights.

Maybe it's a matter of respect those people should have for photographers. While your out in public with your kids, why don't you look up, there's probably about 5 cameras getting pictures of your kids. In bigger cities like new york, there's probably about 200 cameras getting pictures of your kids. Go freak out on them. Guess what, you're out in public, it doesn't matter what you say, your perceived fears don't trump the rights of others.

I think your behaviors are exceptionally courteous, and do much to share the social power of photography. Kudos to you.

You're comparing apples to oranges. You evidently have enough respect for people to let them know up front what you are doing. Kudos to you. People are a whole lot more comfortable about that than the guy sitting in his car with a long lens.

Let's say the guy does take the photos home and views them in a perverted way. Is he hurting anyone? Maybe not. But maybe he starts looking at one kid more and more to the point that he has to go back and get more photos. When the photos aren't good enough, what's next? Does anyone really believe that pedophiles started touching kids right from the get go?

Come on people, if it was really important for you to take pictures of kids you don't know, be respectful enough to ask the parents. It would be a different story if the man had walked up nicely and asked rather than trying to sneak a photo from far away. If I'm a parent, and somebody tries to take photos of my kids without me knowing and without my permission, then yeah, I'd feel threatened. That's why they have minor release forms, cause people aren't just YOURS to photograph. Photographers should be respectful and have some sort of etiquette, and I believe real photographers do.

I'm young, right out of high school, and a photography student in college. For one of my class assignments, I went to a park, and decided to ask a father if I could photograph his toddler son. Without missing a beat, he said sure, we started talking, and he actually helped me out in a way. So I not only got an awesome photo, but I got a good story, and got to know my subject a little better. I'm sure that photo was any better than one you can get parked in a car with a long lens... Most photographers probably know that.

College kid, where you there? How do you know the photographer was sneaking around.

Hope you took summer classes 'cause you have a lot to learn.

: )

Release forms are so you can SELL the images of your models.

NOT SO YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO TAKE PICTURES.

And I've never heard of a "minor release form". Minors can't enter into a contract.

Well, I consider sitting in a parked car with a long lens sneaking.

And correction: Release forms are also used so you can post the pictures on a website for public viewing. I did not use release forms for the class project cause I wasn't putting them on the internet.

And there are minor release forms where parents give permission for their minor's photos to be used publicly.

:)

In most cases, you don't need a release form if you're not photographing for commercial purposes.

"Release forms are also used so you can post the pictures on a website for public viewing. I did not use release forms for the class project cause I wasn't putting them on the internet.

And there are minor release forms where parents give permission for their minor's photos to be used publicly."

This is 100% incorrect. As long as the photographer doesn't plan to sell the images, no release is needed. Permission is never required to take photos from a public place.

The case in which I used the release form was not because it was taken in public. It was an actual photo session I did, that I planned to post on my website, as in we set it up, met at a place, took the photos, and as we left I got their permission to use the photos on the internet. I never said you needed a release to just go out and take pictures of people

Well what is Legal and what is ethical are often two different things. IM glad you have good ethics. The other posters here often go complete as batty in the other direction as the batty parents. Common sense, knowing your rights, and ethics are good qualities to have. A parent who dresses there child in a unethical way in public is one thing, that is between them and whatever higher authority they answer too. What A photographer does when a child has no voice or no choice as to be in public or not is another. Every adult should put the child's rights and feelings ahead of what ever legal right they may have. It may be legal to be a asshat in public, but your still a rude and unethical asshat. There may not be a child-molester hiding in every bush, the people may not be acting rationally, even if they feel that photography does steel there souls. Respecting other people is what makes a decent human being.It has nothing to do with them it has everything to do with you. I guess others need to sell their own souls in order to be photographers. I am glad your not willing to do that. The point the OTHER posters are so batty about, is that it is NOT illegal. That the authorities should KNOW that. IT gets people very upset to have their own rights trampled upon, by a Larger and powerful adult we call the government. When we are as powerless as children to fight it, It hurts very badly.

Hey Rich.

It's people like you who are the problem. These comments are a great mirror of their authors.

There are those who embrace photography as a celebration of life, art and self expression that cannot be trampled upon.

And then there are people like you who obviously have something to hide, have a black heart, no soul, and are the enemy of freedom and this country.

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