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what a fucking scumbag!

Wow.

Wha… How in the hell would that be considered misdemeanor assault? That looks like felony to me. Also why did that other officer not do anything to stop him? That department has serious issues.

the ot.. wait

what the…

Yeah this is why i try to not get arrested.

Makes you want to vomit, doesn’t it?

Makes you wonder what they would do to you or me if they got you in a holding cell on a bad day if they did this to a 15-year-old girl half their size, doesn’t it?

If not, it should… because this could happen to anyone, and it happens a lot more often than we hear about.

Thank you for covering this Carlos, and for all the work you do with this great site!

What does this have to do with citizens photographing the police? Answer: nothing. Why’s that? Answer: because this is nothing more than a police-bashing blog. Anything that shows the police in a bad light is included. Anything that shows the police as heroes supported by the public is ignored. Talk about distorting propaganda. Where’s the story about Richard Decoatsworth, a police officer hero shot in the face who sat next to Mrs. Obama as the guest of honor the other night during the special session of Congress? Answer: not here, because that would show how police are willing to lay down their lives to protect the public. Where’s the story about scores of black people in Philadelphia marching in support of white police officer John Pawlowski who was gunned down on duty? Answer: not here, because that would show how ordinary citizens support their police and appreciate the job they’re doing. Where’s the story about ordinary citizens rushing to literally pick up a car that had run over police officer Chris Jones at the scene of an accident? Answer: not here, because that would again show how people value the police who are willing to die to protect them.

Yes, you do have a first amendment right to show what completely ungrateful fools you are.

APW,

This story is a perfect example of why cameras are important because they allow us to see what actually took place instead of what police tell us took place.

And did you just read my previous post where I wrote about police in the UK joining photographers in a protest over a new law?

That’s not exactly painting police in a negative light. On the contrary.

Besides, those positive stories you mentioned get plenty of exposure.

Don’t you think sitting next to the First Lady gets exposure?

On the other hand, stories like the one here tend to remain very regional.

So I do my part in showing the world what these officers do because they deserve to be exposed just as much, if not more, than the officers who do good deeds.

The video speaks for itself.

Packratt,

This guy has two officer-involved shootings and one DUI in an 8-year career?

Many cops can go 30 years without a single incident.

Now they’re going to get sued for hundreds of thousands if not millions, so they will pay the price for keeping him on the force when the warning signs told them he should be removed from the force.

Carlos,

…probably a typo when you said, “…so they will pay the price for keeping him …”

Actually, we the public will be paying the price.

I can see that she removed a shoe like anyone of us would do after a long day working. How could it hit the guy holding the door that hard, “causing injury and pain.”? Shoe or toilet? And betting it was the toilet. Also, I’m betting that it would be very easy to distinguish between the two. But since it’s been a few months back the scar would be gone. No such luck for the teenager.

It shows that just because you are a policeman you can get away with so many things. Are they above the law in a any way? Am I missing something?

Carlos,

I guess you have to first understand the kind of situation we have here in Seattle and surrounding King County first. There are many officers who have a stunning history of abuse, questionable shootings, and off-duty assaults that not only don’t get fired, even when criminally convicted, but get promotions.

Deputy Schene’s record, sadly, isn’t even close to being the worst Seattle has to offer… and, to be frank, I wouldn’t be surprised if this deputy kept his job after this, even if he is convicted because a misdemeanor conviction is not a firing offense on it’s own out here.

If you need specific examples, I’d be happy to share later, but for now here are two reports I recommend for anyone unfamiliar with Seattle and King County police issues to read first.

Seattle PI: Strong Arm of the Law about SPD accountability issues

Seattle PI: Conduct Unbecoming about King County Sheriff accountability issues.

FYI, the Seattle PI does a reasonable job of getting some stories out there that at least scratch the surface, but they’ll be shutting down soon… and not even our weekly alternative papers have covered this case, let alone many others.

Again, thanks for publishing stories like this one, I think you do great work here.

At the core of a lot of police violence, in my opinion, is the person who signed up to be a cop because of the wrong reason – they wanted respect. Respect that they believe that job and badge will give them. There are plenty of reasons to be a cop but that is not one of them.

Later, repeated disrespect from people who have problems with authority figures makes them angry. Reality is nothing like what they anticipated it to be. That anger ferments just underneath the surface until something like this eventually happens.

The book ‘Verbal Judo’ should be required reading by police forces nationwide and psychological screening should be done to weed out people getting into the job looking for respect.

What was the line from A Few Good Men… ” you don’t need a patch on your arm to have honor”. Same is true with respect and being a cop.

A Policeman’s Wife,

There are certain people who it is fruitless to debate with because, due to their lack of intellect, they can only perceive things in black and white. They are unable to view an argument from the other person’s view or to logically strip it down to its basic elements.

If you can watch that tape of a girl getting punched in the face and say “What does this have to do with citizens photographing the police? Answer: nothing.” Then I submit to you that your I.Q. is low enough that you are functionally retarded.

I’m sure that in real life no one thinks of you as the nearly retarded person you actually are but the rest of us know differently.

Who is the bigger douchebag: The cop who punches a teenage girl in the face for kicking her shoe at him or the cop’s wife who knowingly justifies the behavior. I vote for the cop’s wife.

Regarding the Police Man’s Wife, I agree with John. We need to be able to trust that our policemen are honest, ethical, and mentally capable of handling their jobs. Cops that are violent, ignorant, or corrupt, are a danger to everyone… even other cops. That’s why I can’t understand why as a policeman’s wife, she sees this video and gets mad at the web-site that posted it… instead of being mad at the cops who are an obvious threat to even their own department. Of course, there is the possibility that she believes the behavior displayed in this video is justified… in that case, her husband is probably one of the before mentioned violent, ignorant, or corrupt policemen. Either way, this video makes my stomach turn. Scares the #*%$ out of me.

First of all this guy should be fired, I can’t defend what he did. Sure she was being a little bitch, you can tell the way she is standing and then kicks her shoes at the officer. Her parents should have beat her ass a long time ago and maybe she wouldn’t have been in jail in the first place, but still you can’t excuse how he reacted. He should have just let it go or charged her with A&B.

To MatioKawa who said I can see that she removed a shoe like anyone of us would do after a long day working. The only problem is she didn’t just get done with a hard days work she just got done with a hard day of stealing her parents car. Honestly, can you remember ever removing your shoes and accidentally hitting somebody with them? She kicked her shoes at the officer on purpose because she thought she was the shit. It’s just a shame her parents didn’t do that to her long ago, maybe she would have a little more respect for herself, the officers and her parents.

Jones,

If you think hitting him with the shoe is worth an assault and battery, do you think what he did to her is worth a fourth-degree misdemeanor assault (without battery)?

No, I don’t think her hitting him with a shoe is worth A&B. I personally would have let it go because she was just a young stupid bitch and I would be embarrassed to bring an A&B charge for that. I’m saying if he couldn’t let it go then the A&B charge is what he should have done because she obviously did it on purpose and if a cop did that to somebody they would be crying A&B.

Carlos do you believe she kicked the shoe at him by accident? Do you think there should be some sort of penalty for kicking a shoe at a police officer?

The girl was definitely pouty, as if she had been sent to her room.

I don’t necessarily believe she kicked the shoe off intending to hit him.

I think she kicked it off, probably in an exaggerated manner the way teens do to mock parents or other authority figures.

So no, I really don’t think she meant to hit him with the shoe. But her pouty attitude ended up kicking the shoe further than she expected.

And I really don’t think there should be a penalty in this case because it was nothing.

Cops get cursed at and threatened all the time when they put people in jail and the best cops just let it go because the person is already going to jail.

A good cop doesn’t take things so personal while this cop obviously did.

Just because a girl is pouty doesn’t justify beating her in such a barbaric manner.

What would you do if an officer kicked a shoe at you while you were taking pictures?

Jones…

This is slightly off-topic,
but I think it is relevant enough to share…

During the DNC in Denver,
no cops kicked thier shoes at me…
But, one of them did hit me with his baton,
while I was hiding in a doorway,
with nowhere to go…

I’m a 26 year old female,
about 5ft tall,
I was standing in a doorway,
holding a camera…

I posed no threat to the officer,
who was covered head to toe in riot gear.
Had I shown even the slightest sign of retaliation,
He probably would have cracked my skull open.

I was eventually forced into the street…
arrested, and held for over eight hours.
I was charged with obstructing the street,
and made to endure three days of trial…
watching Denver’s finest lie under oath.

So… to me…
The idea of a cop kicking his shoes at me
while I was taking pictures,
kind of makes me laugh.

But, seriously…
How can you expect a child to control their behavior…
but not the police?

If this had been a black person, there would have been rioting and looting galore and we would hear no end of it from the likes of Al Sharpton et al.

1. Undertow Says:

Yes, had this been a black there would be national news coverage, non stop. You can bet there would be lawsuits brewing, racism claims, you name it. I guess it is ok that a non black gets beat. No public outcry here. We need to complain just as much as the blacks from now on!!!

Jones,

If a cop had kicked a shoe at me while I was taking pictures in the same manner that girl did in the video I would just blow it off and continue taking photos.

How sensitive are we where we let an incident like that cause us to have a mental breakdown or to go into an uncontrollable rage?

Even before my arrest, I’ve had cops push me and shove me out the way or elbow me duing protests or street fights (not involving me) and I just go with it because my main goal is to take a picture.

There are certain professions where you need to develop a thicker skin and being a police officer is one of those (and so is being a journalist).

There is no excuse for that cop’s behavior. He should be tried as a criminal because that all he is.

He knew good and well that there was a camera recording him, but that didn’t stop him for going over the edge.

Imagine how he acts when there are no cameras around?

It’s pretty obvious. Those are the times he pulls his gun out.

Kim,

Nice poem. I had no idea about your story. Welcome to the club.

Carlos, if a cop kicked his shoe at a photographer, or committed another simple assault and it was caught on video the photographer would make a big deal out of it. Maybe you wouldn’t but most would, just like this cop made a big deal out of it when most cops wouldn’t have. I agree this cop made a mistake and I agree with any charges that are brought against him but lets not make a hero out of this criminal girl. I really don’t have any sympathy for her. I’m tired of people being rewarded for bad behavior just because it’s met by bad behavior.

I have been left stunned by that video. We can argue all day if the girl was disrespectful or not, if she meant to hit him with the shoe or not, and any other trivial detail. Whatever the outcome of that argument does not change the fact that a 190 lbs. man viciously attacked an unarmed, petite, 15-year-old girl.

Call me old-fashioned, but the way I was brought up, that is not done by real men.

It is disgusting and disturbing. He should be tried for assault and child abuse.

this cop needs to take a lesson from former president George W…next time someone “assaults” him with a shoe, move outta the way!

SICK that’ what I call it. And I agree with Alberto. Real men do not abuse a woman much less a 15 y/o girl. this video has been posted in all major news sites and the actions of this officer need to be rejected and condemn strongly. It even looked for a second there that he was going to rape this girl; this is the behavior one can expect from a low life thug

JONES QUOTE “I’m tired of people being rewarded for bad behavior just because it’s met by bad behavior.”

You have got it screwed up again.
What “reward” was she getting? Going to jail?

I’m tired of a person that becomes a cop, and then is retarded enough to complain about the class of people he has to deal with.

WTF, you didn’t KNOW you’d be dealing with some of the stupidest people on the planet!?!?

BUT that does NOT give the cop the right to cross the line and do criminal actions, just because the people he deals with do.

He’s the one thats supposed to be a professional and upholding the law.
Remember?

This should never have escalated to the level it did. There was no reason that the officer should have acted the way he did. The situation could have been resolved with a taser…. …. just kidding.

But that aside, he should have just given her verbal warnings and then moved into the holding room without touching her. If the girl would have kicked the shoe at him again, then he should have, in a calm manner, put her in handcuffs and escorted her out.

Violence was not necessary in this situation.

What a spineless cretin. Assaults defenseless 15yo children with help, shoots people in the back. He needs to be reassigned and recycled.

Afghanistan front line would sort him out permanently.

Jones,

Most photographers I know would not make an issue about a cop kicking a shoe at them.

As long as it doesn’t stop from taking their pictures, they don’t dwell on it.

And nobody is making this girl out to be a hero. We’re just seeing her for what she is. A typical rebellious, pouty teenage girl who did not deserve to be beaten by a man twice her age and twice her size.

If her father had done the same to her because he had sent her to her room and she had kicked a shoe at him, her father would be arrested for child abuse.

And they might even remove the girl from her home.

I agree he should not have done it, I am not defending the officer at all. Your defending the girl by calling her a “typical rebellious, pouty teenage girl”. When my daughter was a teenager she didn’t act like this, her friends didn’t act like this, and when I was working I rarely encountered a teenage girl who acted like this, so calling her typical is an insult to all the good kids out there.

As far as her father doing this to her your right, if he took it this far he probably would be charged, just like the officer is being charged but a good smack across the face from her dad would be perfectly fine with me.

Who cares what the suspect did? i don’t understand why it’s even an issue. i’ve seen videos (ON THIS SITE EVEN) where the cops will do vicious nonsensical stuff even when unprovoked by a deadly assault with a loaded shoe.

This video represents what the police officer thought was the appropriate response to something he perceived in his reality.

That’s it. this isn’t “cause and effect” this is “appropriate reaction” from him. Has he even issued an apology?

The blue line is starting to piss me off (it is called blue line, isn’t it?)

genewitch,

It is called “The Thin Blue Line.”

It is supposed to refer to the thin barrier of law enforcement that allegedly protects civilized society from the vile ravaging of the criminal underworld.

well i know this man should be shot
Here in nebraska he would have been fired and then thrown out of town at least in my home town …………….. Any way is tehre any word on weather or not that will even remotely happen here

The individual under discussion here is not a Seattle deputy. He’s a King County Sheriff’s deputy. The King County Sheriff’s Office is an entirely different agency than the Seattle Police Department.

Seattle Sarge,

Yes, I know. But the reason I wrote it that way is because I write for a national audience who might not know where is King County, so I like to give my readers a geographical reference from the beginning.

Seattle Sarge,

I just added the word “area” in between the words “Seattle” and “deputy” to clarify the phrase.

I find it laughable that Jones is equivocating “making a big deal of things” as a journalist posting things on a website vs a cop beating a defenseless person half their size in handcuffs.

Yeah, those are clearly the same.

The little teenage shit deserved an ass beating. Hopefully it will teach the evil little shit a lesson and maybe change her.

Hopefully she will verbally and physically abuse someone who will not be so controlled (maybe a gang banger) and society will be rid of her evil permanently. The little shit is evil incarnate.

Kudos to officer schene..he did the right thing.

wow George… I hope you don’t have children, and I certainly hope you don’t call yourself a christian. although, from the sound of it… you probably do. You should be embarassed and ashamed of yourself.

I’m wondering too what has become of this case? They delaying it long enough for things to cool down and wait for people to move on to the next big news?

I can not imagine people in whatever place something like this happened letting it go and just forgetting the whole thing.

(But then I remember Stark County.)

John, the only update I’m aware of is that the girl was arrested again after the incident for allegedly threatening to get a gun and shoot a girl in front of the girl’s mom in a local mall.

Schene’s lawyer has been complaining of death threats against her and Schene. No word from the DOJ whether they are taking up the case despite their announcement that they are looking into it. The FBI announced an initial civil rights investigation but no word on that. And the KCSO will likely have to hold off on it’s internal investigation until after the criminal case finishes.

So for now the deputy is still only charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault and, as far as I know, still employed with the KCSO.

But that’s about all I know, I think we’ll start hearing more in June, which is when the next court date is, at least from what I’ve heard.

Carlos daid

If her father had done the same to her because he had sent her to her room and she had kicked a shoe at him, her father would be arrested for child abuse.’

One of the reason the manipulative little cunt was living with someone else other than her father was becasue she calls the authorities charging that her father is beating her

Well nothing in June huh? Probably hushed up and settled quietly, like a lot of these cases of abuse.

So George, because she is a brat, we’re supposed to dismiss the cops abuse?? This makes it ok for an “adult” in authority to beat her??

She could be that and more, and it in no way makes what the cop did “OK”.
(What the HECK is the matter with people?!?!?)

yu think this is shocking? these cops work at club evolucion in white center,wa.these lame ass low life pigsz do thisz shit all the time. there all dirty motherfuckersz.the one who did that to dat girl.he alwaysz talksz shit to ppl,taze them,pepper sprays them. but most of there attention is on us SURENOS or fights that break out. the cops are just there to be dirty and harass everyone.go see for yourself.fuck them lamesz

My response to that is FUCK YOU SURENOS!! If it wasn’t for you and the NORTONO bastards we’d not have to hire so many cops in the first place. Don’t come here whining and crying about the way the cops treat you until you people clean up your act stop making towns and cities all across the southwestern US into shooting galleries.

And if you’re from Seattle I guess it is not just the SW US you fucktards are poisoning.