Second Video Emerges From Fullerton Beating; One-Eyed Cop ID'd As Main Culprit

Nearly a month after six Fullerton police officers viciously beat a homeless schizophrenic man named Kelly Thomas to death, information is still only trickling out.

But there is at least one video from a city-owned surveillance camera as well as a second video from a witness that may have been confiscated by police that have yet to emerge.

The surveillance video supposedly shows a one-eyed officer doing most of the beating, according to an anonymous caller into a Fullerton radio show.

That officer is Jay Cicinelli, a former Los Angeles police officer who lost an eye in a 1996 shooting, according to Friends of Fullerton’s Future, a local website which has been keeping a close eye on developments surrounding this case.

Cicinelli lost his eye just three weeks after graduating from the police academy at the age of 26. He was eventually hired by the Fullerton Police Department, even though the LAPD believed his injuries rendered him incapable to be an officer.

In 2005, Cicinelli was commended for saving an austistic boy from train tracks as a train was approaching.

The anonymous caller, who obviously has close ties to the department, accuses the one-eyed officer of repeatedly beating Thomas with the butt of his Taser gun as well as dropping his knee repeatedly on Thomas’ nose and throat.

The one-eyed officer then bragged about it the following day in the police locker room.

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Meanwhile, another video emerged Monday (posted above) from a city bus that shows a conversation between the bus driver and witnesses in the aftermath of the beating.

The witnesses told the driver that Thomas ran off after being confronted by police, which prompted them to chase him down and beat him mercilessly.

I’m telling you Homeless guy was just chillin’, and then the cops came, two cop cars came, two cops, they tried getting him but he just ran off from them, ran away from them, and then they caught him pound his face, pound his face, against the curb, was red, and they beat him up

Besides that video, the only other video to emerge was posted last month that captures the 37-year-old Thomas screaming for his father as he is being tased repeatedly. His father is a retired Orange County sheriff’s deputy who has accused the cops of murdering his son.

He also said that the City of Fullerton offered him a $900,000 settlement, which he declined.

Thomas, who was well-known to locals, including police, was suspected of breaking into cars. His father said he may have been off his medication.

On June 11, Friends of Fullerton’s Future interviewed a witness (below) who said there were about 50 people watching the beating, including a local real estate agent who was videotaping it.

But that video was apparently confiscated by police.

So far, not a single witness account indicates that Thomas fought back, despite the Orange County Register referring to it as a  “fatal fight.”

The anonymous caller who identified the one-eyed officer first contacted the John and Ken Show on Friday, describing the footage from the city-owned surveillance camera.

He said the police dispatcher, who controls the camera, zoomed in during the beating, capturing one officer repeatedly beating Thomas with the butt of his Taser gun until blood splattered over the officer’s arms and hands.

This same officer repeatedly dropped his knee on Thomas’ throat and face.

All this took place after Thomas had stopped moving.

On Monday, the caller contacted the radio show again, stating that it was the one-eyed officer doing the beating. This time, they disguised his voice.

He said the quality of the surveillance camera is so good that it could pinpoint the freckles on a person’s chest once it is zoomed in, but the district attorney’s office is choosing to not release the video.

He also said most of the officers know the identities of the officers involved and many are not happy with what took place.

He said they were turned off by how the one-eyed officer bragged about the beating and many officers have not been happy with his “heavy-handed tactics” from before the incident.

Five of the six officers who participated in the beating remain on active duty. The sixth is on some type of medical leave.

The one-eyed officer has been transferred to the undercover gang unit, the caller said.

The incident has stirred protests against the department and an FBI investigation.

Below is another video posted two weeks ago that doesn’t appear to be related to the Thomas beating, but shows a Fullerton police officer smacking a man who was video recording an arrest in downtown.

UPDATE: The five remaining cops have been suspended, according to CBS.

UPDATE II: Orange County residents, including Thomas' father and two Fullerton city council members, are demanding the release of the video, according to the Orange County Register.

UPDATE III: The L.A. Weekly confirms that Jay Cicinelli is one of the officers involved in the beating death of Kelly Thomas.

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So basically we don't know anything more. Maybe the caller is legit. Maybe not.

I know the guy in the last video should have backed up. It looks like every Friday and Saturday night at my job.

We know all we need to know. Another handicapped victim executed in the street by cops.

It's all academic now. The family's legal team slowly unravels the cover-up. They sue. The city settles without an admission of guilt.

The criminals with badges continue their killing spree unabated.

You're right, until we know names, there is no credibility. But I notice we don't know the names of the other five cops, so the police department lacks credibility too.

JdL

So basically we don't know anything more.

We know that a gang of cops brutally murdered a 135 pound boy. We know that they're now trying to hide their identities like the pathetic cowards they are.

We know that American citizens are getting completely fed up with the savagery that cops endlessly mete out, and the impunity that those same cops think they should have, and all too often actually achieve.

We know that something is bound to snap at any moment, and that cops will whine and scream after it happens.

And through all this, we know that you, JL, will be here to say it's really all ok, and that we citizens aren't being properly grateful for the wonderful service that you and your fellow gang members perform.

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The L.A. Weekly just confirmed that Jay Cicinelli is one of the officers involved in the beating death.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/08/jay_cincinelli_fullerton_beat...

Who the f do you think you are? Telling people to go home when they witnessed a bunch of punk cops beating up a defenseless American, who just happened to be homeless. All of you should be going to jail for murder, gestapo comes to mind. Your KILLERS and need to be put away. Johnny Law, what a joke big boy

That was a different incident genius

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Fox-LA also confirms Jay Cicinelli as "center of controversy."

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/officer-at-center-of-fullerton-bea...

Boo fucking hoo. You've decided you want to be a police officer. We're ever so sorry if your job is tough at times. Does that give you and your badge toting brothers the right to murder another human being for not following your orders?

Fuck off.

jn

well its six days later they still wont release the video. if they were right it would have been released.we all know it. i bet it does look familiar. 1500 lbs. o pig beating a hundred lbs of citizen. now give us some defense for Danziger punk.how about this. now go whine on your double secret blog how we dont give a fuck about you twat

jn

oh yeah do you tie your victims up before your weekend murders.tied up. now that is some pussy ass bitches.

jn

oh yeah do you tie your victims up before your weekend murders.tied up. now that is some pussy ass bitches.

jn

oh yeah do you tie your victims up before your weekend murders.tied up. now that is some pussy ass bitches.

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Everything that anonymous caller has said is being confirmed, little by little.

Here's the latest.

"Fullerton's acting police chief, Kevin Hamilton, acknowledged this week to The Times that the department had allowed officers involved in the altercation with Thomas to watch a video of the incident before writing their reports about it. Hamilton said supervisors allowed the review so that the officers would have a chance to refresh their memory and write an accurate account."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/kelly-thomas-beating-death...

joe

Makes your blood boil. Be carful out there Carlos.You know you are on their hit list.

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Pixiq Expert

I think he's legit.

He might even be a cop, for all we know. Obviously, he has a lot to lose by coming out on the record.

The guy knows too many little details to just be making a story up.

joe

Maybe this code of silence they have could a code like some mafia oath. and if your caught talking you die.

Nobody has told me about this code. Guess I am not part of the club.

Johnny Lawlz sez: "Nobody has told me about this code."

Why can't Johnny read?

Barry Wright (January 2010). "Civilianising the ‘blue code’? An examination of attitudes to misconduct in the police extended family". International Journal of Police Science and Management.

Rothwell, Gary R.; Baldwin, J. Norman (2007). "Whistle-Blowing and the Code of Conduct in Police Agencies". Crime and Delinquency (Sage Publications) 53 (4): 8–10.

Louise Westmarland (June 2005). "Police Ethics and Integrity: Breaking the Blue Code of Silence". Policing and Society.

Jerome H. Skolnick (September 2001). "Corruption and the Blue Code of Silence". Police Practice and Research, 2002, Vol. 3, No. 1, pp. 7–19.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

Maybe Johnny Lawlz really is juvenile troll, because his mommy didn't tell lil' sqirt about "the code."

joe

WOW well done Kol. maybe he will change his name from Johnny law to serpico. Then he could claim his job is dangerous.He would have good info to backup his job status.I salute you.

Here's a very recent example of this "brotherhood" code.

The following was said by Mark Preston, who is a sergeant of 30 years with the Seabrook police department in New Hampshire. He was arrested and charged with DUI. On top of that, he allegedly attempted to flee the scene of the accident he caused.

"Are you (expletive) kidding me?" Preston said, according to court paperwork. "What about the brotherhood?"

"If this happened in Seabrook, we would take care of you guys! This is ridiculous. You guys are a (expletive) joke! I am a 30-year sergeant, and you are going to do this to me? Really? My life and my career are over! I hope you guys are (expletive) happy!"

Full article here:

http://www.wmur.com/newsarchive/28744636/detail.html

Even after all that he still gets placed on PAID administrative leave! Seems like the code is working for Preston after all.

joe

Touche dicarted. If those aint happy we are.

No matter how much people try to deny it, everybody knows it's true.

Did they kill the guy that talked about "the code"? That was the original comment wasn't it?

Do you also need a list of links about officers that were arrested and charged with crimes? Seems like there wouldn't be any if there was this code you go on and on about.

My department doesn't look the other way and I don't know of any near us that do. We've had officers arrested for DWI and other crimes. It's actually big news when it happens and the local cop haters love to crow about it.

Johnny Lawlz said: "Nobody has told me about this code. Guess I am not part of the club."

There are plenty of scholarly journal articles and texts on Scholar.google.com when one searches for "Blue Code of Silence."

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=blue+code+of+silence
99,000 results

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=blue+code+of+silence+retaliation
14,700 results

Can't evade that - if Johnny could read.

joe

sorry wrong place

"Do you also need a list of links about officers that were arrested and charged with crimes? Seems like there wouldn't be any if there was this code you go on and on about."

I suspect in these rare cases where cops are actually punished for their crimes (which likely involves lots of media coverage and public scrutiny, ie, the Kelly Thomas killing), the police and DA had no other option except to pursue charges despite their personal apprehensions. I also believe that more often than not, that police try to cover up their criminals act and protect one another.

It's my opinion that it is media coverage and severe public scrutiny that determines which cops face a judge for their crimes—not the "brotherhood" or their DA cronies.

JL, if you want I can teach you the secret handshake

Funny, nobody mentions he was hit over the head with a flashlight.

So what if they watched the video while writing their reports? I'm sure it's not easy to remember every detail of an incident and if they write one thing that the video contradicts than they are all going to be called liars for making an honest mistake.

Police reports are another genre of short fiction, taken seriously only by people who put on airs of importance by cosplaying in goth robes.

"...they are all going to be called liars for making an honest mistake."

No. They are called murderers for executing the son of a cop in the street.

A cop who knows exactly how the game is played.

So post away with your inane troll drivel. It means nothing.

joe

I saw on the news they have already made a one million dollar offer to the family to forgo any future lawsuits.
wow someone is seeing something that worries them.

It's enough to make one sick.

Until we demand that these type of cases be taken out of the hands of the district attorney's office and handed over to a special prosecutor that has no connection with the police department or the DA nothing will change.

One would have a better chance of suing Darth Vader to get an injunction against the use of the Death Star.

Even prominent so-called "Libertarians" aren't really against a good street-justice "baton shampoo" beating if their property is at risk of being damaged.

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?"

~Murray Rothbard (American author and economist of the Austrian School who helped define modern Libertarianism) The Irrepressible Rothbard http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

Libertarians care. About their property.

Wasn't this murdered kid known to be sometimes breaking into automobiles?

Oh, right, Premise Five:

"Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below...If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice." http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm

JdL

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?"

Way to selectively quote! I urge everyone to follow the link and see what Rothbard really said. Inside KK's "..." are the words, "subject of course to liability when they are in error."

What's the matter, KK, doesn't that fit your cliche about horrible libertarians?

Quotes are always "selective." I provided a reference; not one word was taken out of context. But I understand why you wouldn't like my exposing the core "Libertarian" value; it's not liberty, it's not life, it's "get off my property."

Let's delve a little further into a prominent Libertarian's regard for people of color.

"In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors."

~Murray Rothbard
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html

Isn't it singular how a Libertarian can identify an "aggressor" against private property by the color of his skin?

I suppose killing someone of the "aggressor" color would be "subject of course to liability when they are in error."

Is suspended with pay good enough for ya?

Racialist science; it's Libertarian.

joe

Part of the policeman training manual maybe.

Requirements for successful manipulationAccording to George K. Simon, successful psychological manipulation primarily involves the manipulator:

1.concealing aggressive intentions and behaviors.
2.knowing the psychological vulnerabilities of the victim to determine what tactics are likely to be the most effective.
3.having a sufficient level of ruthlessness to have no qualms about causing harm to the victim if necessary.
Consequently the manipulation is likely to be covert (relational aggressive or passive aggressive).[2]

[edit] How manipulators control their victims[edit] According to BraikerBraiker[1] identified the following basic ways that manipulators control their victims:

positive reinforcement - includes praise, superficial charm, superficial sympathy (crocodile tears), excessive apologizing; money, approval, gifts; attention, facial expressions such as a forced laugh or smile; public recognition.
negative reinforcement - includes nagging, yelling, the silent treatment, intimidation, threats, swearing, emotional blackmail, the guilt trap, sulking, crying, and playing the victim.
intermittent or partial reinforcement - Partial or intermittent negative reinforcement can create an effective climate of fear and doubt. Partial or intermittent positive reinforcement can encourage the victim to persist - for example in most forms of gambling, the gambler is likely to win now and again but still lose money overall.
punishment
traumatic one-trial learning - using verbal abuse, explosive anger, or other intimidating behavior to establish dominance or superiority; even one incident of such behavior can condition or train victims to avoid upsetting, confronting or contradicting the manipulator.

Excellent information, Joe.

Our whole mega Polis-Politics-Police society is manipulative, with the Police being mere hired guns, and Politicians being mere middle management, for "those who OWN this country."

George Carlin -"Who Really Controls America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Skilled manipulation to maintain the hierarchy is part of, not only the cop's modus operandi, but schools, the "nuclear" family, employers, priests, HOAs, foreign policy, news media, and even the Libertarian think tanks, funded by the largest privately owned company in America to keep the priesthood of money (economists) spewing tripe about, hey, VOLUNTARY SLAVERY.

Yeah, sadistically beating the hell out of a slave, as long as there is a (ahem!) "voluntary" (wink, wink) slave contract, is Libertarian!

"If voluntary slavery is legal, we can consummate this financial arrangement, to our mutual gain. If not, not, to the great loss of both of us. Slave-master Rafe would never shell out the cold cash if, after he paid, I could haul him into court on assault and battery charges when he whipped me."

Voluntary Slave Contracts
by Walter Block (a professor of economics at Loyola University, and a senior fellow of the libertarian Mises Institute)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block134.html

Joe, take your 3 requirements for psychological manipulation and apply them to that!

Police abuse is only a small part of a whole abusive culture. Again, thanks for the good info, Joe.

joe

Well done Kol.Adjust rank to general.

Klink, property IS life. The most direct example is your human body. Without the ownership of that property, your "right to life" is useless as the owner of your body could choose, as owner, to destroy it at any time. Without property, there is no life.

I can't speak as to Rothbard, though as is often the case with humans, no one is perfect. Trying to undermine an idea based on reason and logic by attacking real or perceived flaws in a particular human is rather short-sighted, don't you think?

jn

i have heard the report now that he was "peering" into the cars and had no stolen property

jn

i have heard the report now that he was "peering" into the cars and had no stolen property

jn

i have heard the report now that he was "peering" into the cars and had no stolen property

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Pixiq Expert

The five remaining cops have been suspended, according to CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20087469-504083.html

Well they are administrative leave pending the investigation. Hardly a "suspension".

Is inept nitpicking merely an online fetish for you, or do you conduct yourself like this all day?

Suspension: Officially prohibit someone from holding their usual post or carrying out their usual role for a particular length of time. ~Oxford Dictionary

Administrative leave: is a temporary leave from a job assignment. ~Wikitruth

Big difference? Not hardly, pilgrim.

And that's why Jtroll is just that.

A troll.

A troll pretending to be a cop on a photographer's blog... and nothing else.

"Pathetic" doesn't even come close.

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