Security Guards Still Harassing Photographers at Miami Metrorail Stations

Miami-Dade Metrorail security guards continue to harass and threaten photographers, despite supposedly being informed that there is no law or policy forbidding commuters from taking non-commercial photos or videos.
The latest reported incident took place late last month when three photographers were taking photos at the Palmetto station in Hialeah.
It is clear that 50 State security has no intention of training its security guards to abide by the Miami-Dade code, despite numerous assurances from transit officials.
On Feb. 26, 2011, photographers Danny Delgado, Rob Benito and a third man were approached by two security guards who told them they needed a permit if they wanted to continue taking photos.
Delgado, who is a street photographer, filed a complaint with transit officials stating the following:
“We were first approached by a male guard, who besides being rude and unprofessional, was quite aggressive. As we talked with said guard the second guard (female) approached us and tried to understand the situation. We then began explaining to the female guard that we were simply trying to take some photographs and shoot some footage of 'me' not the "structure", for personal use. She tried to be polite and courteous with us while at the same time backing up what her partner was saying, about us not being able to photograph/film in the station without a "permit" or some type of permission. We asked her what law or legal code she was basing her statement on but she could not answer. “
After their conversation with the security guards, the photographers went to Delgado’s apartment and printed out a copy of the Miami-Dade Code that states non-commercial photography is legal on the Metrorail. Then they returned to the station.
He continued describing his experience in his complaint:
“We began explaining to one of the newly arrived guards what our situation was and I showed him the documents we had printed out supporting the fact that we were indeed completely free to photograph and film within the station to which the guard replied "I went to school for finance not law" as he tried to hand me back the documents in an attempt to invalidate the documents and brush us off. I insisted I had highlighted the relevant lines within the documents and that they are written in plain English. He responded by saying it was his station and he didn't care what my papers say we were not going to photograph his station.
Again just to be clear, we wanted to photograph and film ME in the station, not the station itself of the structure.
This second guard we were dealing with was as unprofessional and disrespectful as the previous guard. He was more passive aggressive than the previous guard but again I feel he is not qualified for his position. He also made some statements which were innapropriate and disturbing. He implied that if not stated outright that we looked like terrorists and asked me directly what my cultural background was and if I was a natural born American citizen. This guard appeared to be Anglo-American. He went on a rant about his supposed service in Afghanistan and went on the mention something about Indonesia and asked us to search google and youtube for some videos of something. His thoughts were almost incoherent and quite confusing. They had nothing to do with the situation on hand.”
As many of you know, I've had an ongoing issue with 50 State security guards over our right to take photos and video on the Metrorail where I’ve been “permanently banned,” assaulted and threatened with arrest.
The only time I haven’t been harassed is when I’ve showed up to the station with a large number of photographers.
It seems that it requires a minimum of ten photographers for them to understand our rights. Anything less will get you harassed.
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Comments
Sounds like its time to file charges against 50 states for civil rights violations.
FYI while I was posting that I was also filling out a police report against a drunk driver who drove thru my yard.
The officer turns out is a reader of this site....
Sorry JL he said your an ass and if your a cop, your a disgrace to the Law Enforcement community.
His opinion, and not Necessarily the views of the poster.
Damn just squirted milk out my nose when I wrote that.
Not surprising considering J Spin has advocated violence against women here and claimed that violently taking innocent victims to the ground was standard academy training... He claims to be a supervisor and advocates sleeping on the job. He has no problem using police computers for personal stuff. Not to mention he is like an STD that never goes away.
No wonder real cops cringe at the mention of Johnny Law.
Well I talked to a cop who reads this blog and he said that both of you have the mental capacity of a retarded monkey. (I said someone else said it, so it must be true!)
(inb4 downvotes)
I have learned a lot from your experiences and applaud your efforts to show everone PINAC!
However, it seems to me that the time has now come to take this to the next level. Hit them where it counts, the pocketbook!
I think if photographers began to sue those who violate thier rights, it would begin to send a message to those who govern them!
Shoot, by now you and your Miami photographers should own 50 States, LOL!
Keep up the good work!
This needs Undercover Boss or something. I'd LOVE to find out the permit form number. Or even anything that could look close but isn't fraud.
They ignore statements from their bosses that are presented right in front of them, think they would know some obscure form that they think people need to have.
Since there is no such permit, you could achieve this by making or buying an "Approved" rubber stamp, print up a 3"x5" card with your name, photo, and some random alpha-numeric 50 character code, sign the back and get a Metro employee to apply the stamp for you, and laminate it.
The Metro employee's name is never involved, so nothing will backlash to them. No permission is needed for non-commercial photography and no such permit exists, so there is no fraud committed (like there would be for forging a permit for something you need a permit to do), and you can truthfully tell any guards who exceed their authority that you do have permission from the Metro people, and see? Here's your card.
The card has no official logos, doesn't present itself as anything but permission to do something everyone automatically has permission to do and isn't a forgery of any actual permit since none exists.
Actually, there IS such a thing as a permit; you just don't need it for "casual" photography. So fabricating your own would be forgery.
The permit is needed when you're bringing in lighting, reflectors, cranes, and other equipment that might interfere with operations at the station. It is NOT needed for a man carrying a camera.
And even if it weren't, such a fake would only reinforce the security guard's mistaken belief - which is counter-productive.
You're wrong. While there is a commercial photography permit, I never suggested making a forged version of it.
What I suggested, is rather more like carrying a permit that grants you permission to breathe air on public sidewalks. Everyone already has that permission automatically. The fact that a permit to transport high pressure compressed air cylinders does in fact exist does not negate the right to breathe outside air, nor does it turn a home-made permit to breathe outside air into a forged document.
Also, I did suggest getting a Metro employee to approve the permit to do something you don't need a permit to do, which means that it would be an official absurdity, not a forged one.
Dude, read what you wrote originally. What you wrote then isn't what you're claiming to have written. You thought one thing and typed something else and that's okay. It happens. Stop digging yourself in deeper with really lame and unreasonably indignant defensive arguments.
Besides, your plan is still flawed; security guards and cops don't get ironic statements. They'll just say "I've seen permits for breathing air, so I know they exist!"
Remember what Hippocrates said: "First, DO NO HARM."
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poor johny law is out tonight due to his girlfriend got a puncture and he had no repair kit.
We should take a collection and send him a case of Fix-a-Flat.
Even JL needs some love.
Or an officer Bob doll. :-)
You know a forum troll is wildly successful, when out of 12 posts on a topic unrelated to the troll, 6 are about the troll rather than the topic. Why are you all so obsessed with Johnny Law?
Probably because he's the same kinds of slimebag badge-licker I had to deal with over on usenet back in the 80's. A class act that went by the moniker "Sgt Rock" who ended his posts during the holidays with "Seasons Beatings."
Bergman..
You ask the question.. "Why are you all so obsessed with Johnny Law?"
It is because of his attitude (which he has written at the end of some of his posts) that..
"Cops Can Do NO Wrong!!"
Let me make one thing clear (which I have told "Johnny Law" in some of my comments to him), I don't hate him, nor do I dislike him.
What I do dislike is those in authority who make up their own rules and regulations to a situation.. and then force the public to obey them through the force of "contempt of Cop", let alone their badge and gun!
Rail Car Fan
LOL All this attention is actually quite flattering. You can really tell that there are some people on this site that just can't handle having someone disagree with them.
Silly kids.
Flatter.. "to please by complimentary remarks or attention."
"JL"..
It's far from being flattering when one considers there's a B I G difference between two people having a disagreement.. and having one of those people constantly beating the drum of "we (and the profession I represent) can do NO wrong".
Using excuses such as "we don't know what happened, or what was said five minutes before the video was taken" (as you have sometimes posted in the past), doesn't excuse the actions of Cops who are standing over a face down prone and surrendering victim as they mercilessly beat him.
There comes a time when one must realize that condoning actions such as the above, as well as other illegal actions.. (and the ensuing comment that "NO wrong was being done"), is far from being flattering, but rather just shows the mentality of the one speaking those words.
Rail Car Fan
Carlos Miller and Pixiq are quite pleased about it, I'm sure. The troll generates page views and thereby $$$. They'll do what they can to keep him around. There's really no point in engaging JL/his sockpuppets. The troll just enjoys the attention, and Carlos and Pixiq are only too happy to benefit from it.
At least if you're using Adblock or something similar you can feel a little better about not supporting this "business model" quite so much.
Maybe they like me coming here because it offers a point of view from a cop's perspective? Plus there is the fact that when I comment with my opinion people start actually discussing the issue. I've noticed that when I don't comment on an article, it's usually just an echo chamber about how the cops/govt/security guards suck and are stupid.
I'm sorry some of you are so insecure in your views and communication skills that you are threatened by an opposing viewpoint. I guess that is why this thread turned into juvenile person insults about rubber sex toys before I even added an opinion and yet I am the one called the troll.
Obvious hypocrites are obvious.
This is a very good photograph! Too bad about the goons...as usual...
This photo is something that they could even use as an advertisement for their business.
now you know the value of a minyan.
I took Metrorail and then had to call a cab
from the station because they weren't any buzzing around
the train station. I looked for an Information booth
but couldn't find one.
Who organized that fleabag public transport? They're more interested in cursing out photographers than getting people around properly. Maybe, that's it--they don't
want anyone documenting how crappy they are.
This harassment MUST STOP NOW, there has to be a protest of photographers on a continuing basis until these uninformed guards learn not to mess with people. and if need be to have these guards arrested for breaching the rules.
This harassment MUST STOP NOW, there has to be a protest of photographers on a continuing basis until these uninformed guards learn not to mess with people. and if need be to have these guards arrested for breaching the rules.
Protesting the behavior of 50 State Security Service is pointless. I participated in the Metro-Rail protest and was happy to do so, but at this point the only solution is legal and political.
If you’ll take some time to read the contract between 50 State and Miami-Dade County you’ll see that like all contractors doing business with public agencies in Florida they are subject to FS 287. What that means is they are subject to the unilateral cancellation of their contract and being banned from doing business with ANY public agency in Florida for three years. I suspect that would effectively put them out of business. Just one of their contracts with Miami-Dade is worth $36,000,000.
Protest all you want, but until their purse is threatened they won’t change their behavior.
Joel, that's what I'm talkin about! Protest at this point seems to be useless. Obviously those in charge don't really seem to be concerned with the way their employees are acting. I think the best way to get their, the employers, attention is in the MONEY!!!!
I wonder if there are any laywers that would be willing to take on the case. All money won, after paying attorney fees, could go to setting up a fund to help with other similar cases.
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