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Well, this is certainly going to help her case.

I was good with everything until I read:

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“They told me the manager had told them he didn’t want me in the theater because he didn’t want any problems,” her son said.

But when Ford and her son approached the manager to ask for a refund, they learned that the manager said no such thing.

In fact, the manager felt so bad about the incident that he gave her son nine movie tickets to be used in the future.

“When we walked back inside to talk to the manager, the cops followed us, but once they saw us talking to the manager, they walked away from us. They kept their distance,” her son said.”

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Then it went off the rails a bit. I think the officers may have just stepping in a big pile of crap with that subject stop. If they were lying about the manage, it does look like retaliation.

Stupid, stupid, stupid…

Add a new lawsuit for unlawful detainment, intimidation, and violation of civil rights.

This lady’s son really oughta contact a lawyer and press charges against the cop, and possibly ask for a TRO. That would help their case.

Let’s hope, for the cop’s and community’s sake, that the judge adds anger management classes to the restitution list.

And Tasha, if you’re reading this, work with your lawyers to get sworn witness affidavits from the manager and your son’s friends about this incident. They should be helpful to your case.

I wonder who called the cops if the manager did not. Maybe the same cop from before saw them walk into the theater and decided to jump into action. Can police “decide” that you are trespassing without the owner asking for you to be removed? That sounds like borderline kidnapping to me. “Sir, you’ll have to come us. We don’t want you here.”

Typical. Another day, another cop caught in a lie of his own making.

Here’s some more news on cops doing bad things, thanks to injustive everywhere:

Albuquerque NM police officer fired after investigation finds fatal shooting of unarmed robbery suspect unjustified. http://is.gd/f5YQR

Athens County OH deputy in charge of drug task force arrested on 3 counts sexual battery involving female informant:
http://is.gd/f5SVg

Bloomington IL police officer sentenced to conditional discharge on plea to stealing $3k from police union while VP:
http://is.gd/f5SNY

Houston TX ISD cop under investigation after caught on bus video beating student so badly he may never look the same:
http://is.gd/f5cly

Warren Co OH deputy rehired after fired for DUI due to arbitrator ruling that other deputies weren’t fired for same:
http://is.gd/f54TF

Kansas City MO cop arrested on deviate sexual assault charge for getting son’s 19yr-old friend drunk & sodomizing him:
http://is.gd/f530O

Bob, the local theater in my neighborhood (a fairly wealthy, suburban place bordering on rural), always has cops in the lobby on evenings and weekends. Not security guards. I don’t know if they’re there at the request of management or if they’ve just been called so often they always post someone on site.

I certainly hope the local news outlets pick this story up. And certainly Officer Kellman should be out on his ass. That is, unless the Boynton Beach PD and/or the union there has very low standards for police officers.

lets raise money and get tasha a new video camera!

Amended Complaint for retaliation in 3…2…1…

All you trolls need to read the first post on this thread by Johnny Law. This proves that he’s not just a mindless cheerleader for the cops! So, can we stop the trolling on the other threads? Hazy, I’m looking at you here.

dlazerous: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

dlazerous, I would never accuse Johnny Law of being “mindless.” Johnny Law is obviously intelligent and even thoughtful. It’s quite possible that in every other aspect of his life, he’s a good person, I don’t know. But he’s fallen into a trap which has snared people in positions of power throughout the ages.

A combination of overconfidence and reflexive loyalty (heightened, perhaps, by the emotional effects of real passion for the job and a desire to do well) have caused Johnny Law to believe (even to say out loud) that there is “absolutely nothing wrong” with police officers giving concussions to suspects who are not fighting back.

Even in this article, he’s “good with” cops going into a theater to take out a paying customer whose ban was over months ago. He’s not curious about it. He doesn’t have to know why they’d do it. He’s “good with” it. That said, I absolutely agree with him in condemning the cop actions as “stupid.” But we all do “stupid” things, sometimes.

Difference is, once we knew what the manager said, once we knew the cop had lied, “stupid” became less important. What the cop did was much, much more importantly, “immoral,” “corrupt,” maybe even “illegal.” That means the cop has to go. And now. It would be awesome if Johnny Law agreed with me.

Now, I think there are lots of cops (maybe a minority, but still enough) of every rank that would be willing to emphatically state that giving a concussion to a suspect who is not fighting back is not good police work, so like all people, I judge cops on an individual basis.

If this was an educational blog, I’d say the same thing to a teacher who said it was okay to insult a special ed student who was acting out or get in a name-calling match with a rude student. I’d say, until you can admit that you’re wrong, you are a bad teacher and I would never work with you.

Only a bad cop is unable say plainly and outright something as simple as “It is NOT good police work to give concussions to suspects who do not fight with you.”

LJM,

Maybe the internet isn’t for you. You seem to take things waaaaay too personal.

I was okay with the officers removing them from the theater when I thought the manager had said he wanted the kid gone. That is legal and we are obligated to take action in those cases. However once it became apparent (according to the mother) that the manger said no such thing, well that changes things doesn’t it?

I am afraid you were too quick to jump on me and didn’t read my comments close enough. But hey I’m a bad cop so what do I know?

Johnny, way to avoid about 90% of LJM’s post that was directed entirely at you.

You can’t even agree with Johnny when he is already agreeing with you???? His second post even explains why he agrees that this was an abuse of police authority, but you want to make the discussion about him?

When we try to make this about morality or “jerk cops”, we lose focus on what really matters, the letter of the law. We are pushing for police to recognize that even though they don’t like it at times, we can legally take pictures in public of whatever we want. Well, just because a cop is a jerk and employs every legal trick in the book to make your life hell, it does not make his actions automatically illegal.

In the case above, cops have a right to eject individuals from private property at the owners request. Cops, however, do not have to right to target individuals they do not like with baseless stops and forced ejection from property they don’t own. It seems as though we all can agree to that much. Where we will probably differ is what punishment should the police officers face. I assume Johnny will advocate a verbal warning and Hazy will ask that the police officer be hanged, drawn and quartered. I’m sure the correct punishment is somewhere in the middle.

Correct punishment:

30 days unpaid vacation from the department

Severe sanctions from the court for retaliation. This should make the lawsuit a slam dunk.

Good thing Boynton has a budget surplus and can afford all this effort on behalf of their public servants.

“Well, just because a cop is a jerk and employs every legal trick in the book to make your life hell, it does not make his actions automatically illegal.”

So… then it’s about ethics (morality if you must) at that point then?

Or you only want the spirit of the law respected at certain points if it all, since you think it’s all about the letter of it?
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@Michaelk42,

You can ask the same question about photography in public:

Up-skirt shots
Pictures of accident victims
Pictures of undercover police
Pictures of individuals that want to be left alone

If we are allowed to do all of the above because the letter of the law permits it, then our argument against police officers using dirty legal tricks cannot be “they are Nazi’s” or “they are jerks”. We need to base our objections of their actions on the law.

In the case of this article, the cop made an unlawful stop on the individual, and then forcefully removed him from property for reasons other that what are permitted under trespassing laws (I assume they don’t have a ‘because the cop says so’ provision).

If what was reported is true, criminal official misconduct, along with rights violations, is in order. I observed that the word “they” is used in the article. This indicates that one or more other officers just as well may be included in any action. Conspiracy shouldn’t be excluded. The dogs should be turned loose on them.

My concern is the part where there are ‘cops’ harassing this kid, not just ‘a [single] cop’. Apparently the whole force is corrupt?!

I don’t usually agree with JL, but he is right.

IF the manager asked the cops to remove the kid, then they are in the right.

IF the manager DID NOT ask the cops to do this and they did it on their own, then they have screwed the lawyers defending them.

@Jaden: It’s quite possible it’s just the one cop, and he lied to his fellow officers too. Not knowing any better they went along with it. That wouldn’t be too surprising, if he’s willing to flat-out lie to harass the son of a woman suing him I doubt he has any moral problem with lying to his coworkers.

Now the question is, why did all the cops leave suddenly when they saw the mother talking to the manager? That kinda implies they may have all known (at least by that point) that the manager never asked for the kid to be removed. So it’s not completely clear if the other cops were in on the harassment or also victims. I’m hoping it’s that they were lied to as well and the corrupt cop made up something to get them all to leave at that point so he wouldn’t get busted by the manager in front of them.

Adam,

What part of LJM’s strawman nonsense should I reply to? He is misrepresenting my position on a previous story that he is obviously butt-hurt about.

I’m not going to bother re-debating something where I already made my position clear. Go ahead and read the thread here:

http://carlosmiller.com/2010/08/19/is-denver-turning-into-a-police-state...

@Bob

“Using dirty legal tricks” is the same thing as saying they’re being jerks. You’re making a value judgment by describing them as “dirty” and “tricks.”

You also seem to be assuming the law is always just, which is another fallacy in and of itself. People are allowed to disagree with the laws.

It really just seems like you don’t like people disagreeing with you as to what’s OK to condemn or criticize on this site.
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JL #2,

Good for you. It really has the air of retribution, a very stupid move. But cops are human.

Bob #19,

Up-skirts are in many states illegal. Not to mention just really, really sicko rude.
Pictures of accident victims has gone on for my lifetime. Rude maybe. Pertinent often, think Porsche girl. (I am glad those pictures aren’t available now for the family’s sake, but I saw as bad or worse in driver’s training in 1969. I still see that trucker with his head split. No body pissed ‘n moaned at that time.)
Pictures of undercover cops? Besides the fact that their pictures are even posted by their own PDs, I’ve seen TV shows where their distinctive voice is clearly discernible and the description of their activities clearly IDs them. The ski masks worn on occasion does not constitute transparency in a free Republic.
Pictures of people that want to be left alone? I hate having my picture taken, a granted stupid selfishness, but in public you have no right to demand it. You can only hope for discretion, but then a lot of very famous pictures wouldn’t likely exist.

Rudeness is a social issue. No LEO should get involved, nor should a state legislate it away. The up-skirt is different only because of its intense violation of privacy, panty-free or not.

Leave Johnny Law alone! I think he is a good man and a good cop. I, for one, think he would do to ” ride the valley with”. Just because he does not agree with you does not make him evil . Your attacking because he does not fallow you just makes you look stupid.

undercover cops are none of my concern. I have a big problem with upskirt photos and I dislike photos of people who are in an accident. No problem with taking a photo of a person walking his dog (who happens to be busting people for plant possession or sex for money pursuits).

In public, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. That place is for the home. See a guy shooting upskirts, follow him around, make his life miserable by announcing his methods. Take his photo. All legal and moral ways to deal with that problem. Just the same dealing with undercover costumed men bent on harming peaceful people.
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I hope she gets a big judgment against the city and their thug. This is so typical, cops lie so much they really don’t even realize it. They even pass lie detector tests because they are pathological liars. It is totally automatic with them. No doubt the FBI and fatherland security training they receive.

Once again I find myself in agreement with Johnny Law. It seems that Officer Kellman suffers from a total lack of common sense. Harrassing a boy whose mother is suing you in federal court just doesn’t seem to be too intelligent to me. He undoubtedly helped her case.

@Bob #20 & @Anton #30 – I understand that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public, though if I saw a guy taking upskirts of a chick I would feel obliged to “accidentally” knock his camera/cell phone out of his hands and “accidentally” trip and step on it, breaking it.

I disagree with you though about taking photos of accidents/accident victims. Aside from model photography, I make alot of my money from insurance companies photographing accident scenes. I usually stop at the scene of an accident if it is safe for me to stop. After the police have finished their investigation of what happened, and after EMS/Fire Rescue have treated the victims, I ask the lead officer who was at fault in the accident, and if I may have the police report number, as well as the insurance agent’s name/contact info of all drivers involved.

I then take photos of the scene before wreckers have a chance to move the vehicles, and if there are injuries reported, I take photos of them for the benefit of the victim. I then contact the insurance agents, and sell the company detailed photos of the scene. I have made as much as $500 per accident, but usually average $200-$250.

My photos have also benefited the “at fault” drivers from falling victim to false and over exaggerated claims of injury from the other party. Quite often people that get rear ended in minor collisions will walk around perfectly fine immediately after an accident, refuse on scene medical treatment, then show up in court claiming huge hospital bills, and asking for money for lost wages/pain and suffering.

Rance,

Now that is a pretty neat way to make money. Ever have problems with the officers?

Johnny Law,

None at all as long as I keep a safe distance from moving traffic, which I try to do regardless.

So far, every officer I’ve met while doing this has been very professional and courteous.

Targets Up!

Again, this is a he said, she said…..oh btw, what was the kid originally banned from the movie theater for? I suspect this is the Muvico 20 in Pembroke Pines and I also suspect that the kid in question was in the wrong when he was banned from the theater in the first place. For the idiot mother to show her *** and file a suit against an officer when she could’ve been trespassing on private property could lead her into another whole different ball of wax. Again folks, just because you may be able to video on private property doesn’t necessarily make it lawful or right. I go back the the perv in the public park who’s snapping pictures of the good ole little girls and boys………well within his legal right but does that make it right in the eyes of society……..not even a chance….

get a grip folks, this video crap is gone on long enough…..get a life

#36

Go back and read the post and then comment #2. Loop until you actually understand.

Second, you do realize that Dudley Do Right was actually a moron whose horse was smarter? Neil knew more about proper RCMP procedures than Dudley. That’s what frustrated Snidely Whiplash so much.