Dear Daniela, we hate dSLRs because they're professional. Love, TfL
Here it is, fresh from my inbox, the statement from Transport for London (TfL) clarifying just why dSLRs were banned from the tour of the disused Aldwych underground station over the weekend. Please make sure that you're sitting down and do try to refrain from punching in your screen.
Terms and conditions for the recent sale of tickets to visit Aldwych Underground station clearly stated that digital SLR cameras were not permitted, as these are classed as professional equipment.
There was not a ban on taking photos during tours. However, there were restrictions on professional cameras and tripods because we were concerned that people using them could delay the tours for others, as it was a very tight schedule with more than 2,500 visitors going up and down a spiral staircase of about 160 steps to get to and from the platforms.
We wanted to make the tours as enjoyable and safe as we could for everyone. With the huge public interest in seeing the disused Tube station it was better to have the event with this restriction rather than no visit at all.
We apologise to visitors who wanted to use this kind of camera during tours to the stations.
TfL has, in its infinite wisdom - for the wisdom of a transportation authority must be infinite - classified a dSLR as professional equipment and in doing so, redefined the professional standing of millions of photographers across the globe. What an astonishing turn of events! I'm sure that all the dSLR-owners amongst us must be delighted to know that whatever your previous experience or qualifications you are now, according to TfL, professional photographers. Congratulations!
I find it even more astonishing that this through-the-lens, at-the-speed-of-light optical device also makes us slower to move through an exhibit. This is especially strange, given that the last time I checked, I was generally faster using my dSLR than my compact. Something to do with not having an electronic viewfinder, a speedier autofocus, and a more powerful processor. Maybe I need to invest in a new, professional-grade timekeeping piece to check that? Maybe that would qualify me to work at the Olympics next year? I could time Usain Bolt!
I'm not sure which type of camera TfL was mistaking a dSLR for, but I'm pretty sure that the necessity to use a tripod went out with the wetplate camera. Maybe they have one lurking down there in Aldwych station still?
I'm almost, but not quite, speechless. The general degree of ignorance and naivety on the part of people making these decisions is marvellous. A small dose of logic and some reasoned thinking, perhaps alongside a phonecall or email to some people who actually know, would have saved them from a great deal of embarrassment and the entire photographic community pointing at them and laughing.
Yes, that's right, TfL, we're all having a very sound belly laugh at your expense.
All photos courtesy of Tim Allen, and taken with his LX3.
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Comments
I still think it would be interesting to show up with an analogue SLR and cause a standoff.
You take the analogue SLR, and I'll see if I can rustle up a medium format from somewhere!
Love to. Unfortunately, I haven't got a travel budget to get to London from the other side of the pond . . .
This is ridiculous and I don't agree with this rule, but I think their "logic" behind it is this:
Yes, a dSLR is technically faster as you said in the article. But "usually" people who use a dSLR are more "professional" (translation: will take their time to compose the photo, change settings, angle, get creative, etc) whereas a compact user will have it in auto take a quick snap and move on.
This is not true for everyone (doesn't apply to me, I still fiddle with my camera when using a compact) but I assume for a majority of people this is how it is. Just observe people outside with a compact vs dSLR, I seldom see someone with a compact camera spending more then a minute to take a picture. So by banning dSLRs they are hoping to partially reduce the number of people who will slow down movement inside.
I don't think this rule was against dSLRs, but it was easier (and cheaper) for them to set this rule then have a bunch of staff all around asking(annoying) people to move on every time someone takes too long to take a picture and slows the crowd down.
EDIT: I should try to go there with my mirrorless camera next time I'm in the UK! :p
This is truly a revelation. I always thought I had to make money from my photography to be considered a professional. Apparently, I needed to SPEND money on a DSLR. See you at the next convention protogs!
That is hilarious. I guess taking 20 minutes to set up a Sinar and get the shot (not against the rules) is ok, but 3 seconds to shoot it with a dSLR isn't (No dSLRs allowed). I have news for 'em: I, too, take longer to shoot with a P&S than I do with my dSLRs. Part of the reason is that I'm much more familiar with the dSLR's menu system, part because dSLRs have the things I need right at my fingertips, and part because P&Ss have arcane menus or lack the things I really need, so I have to think about it a bit to figure out a work around.
To be fair - this isn't anything new. Lots of venues do not allow dSLR's (and usually anything that looks like it has a detachable lens) and will promptly take it off you.
I went on the Aldwych tour and thoroughly enjoyed it and didn't mind having only my compact with me. (And they didn't have this sign up when I went on the 26th of Nov - so I'm guessing people tried getting their dSLR's in even though it was clear on the website and ticket that they weren't allowed).
So the question is who wants to start up the campaign for companies to contact the 'people who know' about photography to tell them what should and shouldn't be acceptable? TfL aren't the only company in the UK who still has this type of restriction going on.
P.S - There are plenty of people who own dSLR's who deem themselves as professionals and charge people for their services: http://youarenotaphotographer.com/
No, it definitely isn't new. The number of times that I've been told that dSLRs are prohibited because they are considered 'professional' is more than I can recall.
The point is that the distinction is arbitrary and has been made in ignorance. If someone does want to consult and gain a clearer perspective on the capabilities of different cameras and the significance of the role of the photographer, I'm sure that there are plenty of us who do know who'd be prepared to share their expertise.
So surely you should be using TfL as an example and opening up the issue of companies incorrectly labeling all dSLR's as professional equipment since we all know it is not uncommon and has been an issue for years?
I think it is unreasonable to expect companies to essentially train up their staff to know what cameras are professional and what isn't along with capabilities of the equipment.
After all, it is the ground staff that has to check customer's bags and do it promptly to keep to timings. Therefore it is easier for them to state to their staff 'Anything with a detachable lens is not allowed'.
I'm just happy they didn't ban photography from Aldwych completely (which they could have done as the station is privately owned). The fact they stated dSLR's are professional IS silly - but I do not see them, or any other company learning about the cameras, capabilities and the 'role of the photographer' when they have a business to run with hundreds of people coming through their doors everyday with a huge variety of cameras to contend with.
Kelly, this is just one article of many that I've written over the years highlighting the ridiculous and arbitrary nature of the decision to ban dSLRs because they are allegedly professional cameras. My point is that the distinction is silly because it doesn't matter what equipment one uses. There's no justification for the ban on dSLRs.
That's pretty much all that they need to learn.
The ban is ridiculous, the cost of dSLRs has come down in recent years so that a low end dSLR can cost the same as a top end compact (even more so if you take into account second hand kit).
However, TfL can make whatever rules they want concerning private property. Bitching about it just makes you look petulant.
Yes the distinction is silly. Yes, there is no justification for the ban on lower end dSLR's BUT they are a private company; and like many others, make rules that suits them even if they don't make sense to anyone else.
I'm not defending TfL or any other company that has rules like this in place, by the way!
There are plenty of other rules that don't make sense - airports have hundreds concerning stuff you can't take on a plane that you could never in a million years use to hijack or cause damage to a plane or the passengers.
If you want to fly, you have to abide by them. if you want to take photos on TfL property, you have to abide by their rules.
How hard is this to understand?
My thinking exactly.
I actually did have my dSLR on me that day as I had a photo shoot in Brixton to do. But I also had my compact as I really wanted to get photos in the station.
There are, indeed, plenty of rules in this world that don't make sense. Sometimes you need to point out to people that their rules don't make sense, though.
As you said yourself - you have written many an article on this subject. And no doubt countless others have too over the years. And look! - private companies still have the rule of no dSLR's. The title alone is aggressive and sarcastic which doesn't help.
It's not going to kill you to take the compact you most probably own to events such as this; and as everyone keeps on bleating - lower end camera equipment is getting better anyway.
I don't give two toots about dSLR's being banned and labelled as 'professional equipment' as long as I can take a camera with me and therefore capture my experience.
The sheer amount of hyperbole and sarcasm in your article just makes it look whiney and petulant - what possible effect on TfL's policies do you think it will have?
Whilst I agree that the rule is archaic and silly, professional photographers (or those for whom it is a serious hobby) whining that they can't take their professional level equipment somewhere when the rules say 'no professional equipment' is equally as silly.
A better way to go about it would be to organise a campaign to get the point across that not all dSLRs are professional and not everyone who uses one is a professional.
When making rules, a line has to be drawn somewhere. That line might seem unreasonable to you, but the lay public, to whom a dSLR is a piece of professional kit, would most likely agree with it.
Yes, rules can exist long past the point of the necessity of the rule, the thing to do then is to lobby to get the rules amended or repealed. Writing an article in a sarcastic tone is as likely to achieve this as stamping your feet and huffing.
I suspect you may not be very familiar with Daniela Bowker's writing style - Small Aperture was often light hearted and irreverant when the situation called for it, like now. Here it's caused discussion, people to notice it - and even a petulant and whiny comment from your now better informed self.
If nobody points out that the policy they have implemented is ineffective and interferes with some of their visitors' enjoyment of the service they're providing - it's not likely to change. By highlighting that what they object to (tours being slowed down) is not directly related to the type of camera being allowed in, they can change it - which is a very simple and quick action.
That doesn't need a campaign, it needs someone to be nudged into thinking a little, so that they realize the absurdity of the sign and make a simple change. It's only an A4 printout, nothing chiseled into marble.
It would help people with an interest in photography, and help the TfL achieve their actual aims. Everyone wins. The tone of the article is purposefully exaggerated, and to me, playful. I think a dose of humor and a gentle ribbing can be very effective in getting the message across.
The comments in the article do not come across as lighthearted and thought provoking.
This isn't the(and won't be the last) first time this very topic has been discussed and highlighted to the company who have this in their T&C's. Even Daniela has said she has written about this many a time. She has contacted TfL on this subject and TfL are unlikely to budge as are all the other private companies that have the very same stance on dSLR's.
Lighthearted and irreverent this is not.
This is a petulant poke at a company who dared to say "we consider dSLRs professional equipement and do not allow them on our premisses'.
The problem being, how much attention does TfL pay to this blog? I would assume exactly none, so this is not 'pointing it out'. Pointing it out would involve writing letters offering suggestions and compromises.
The rules are printed on the website when booking the tour, in TfL's help section and other places as well. If people still want to bring a dSLR with them, well, they've been warned in several places and whining about it after the fact changes nothing.
Sadly for you, dSLR's are seen by a majority of the public as 'professional' equipment, so the issue is one of wider education, not just of TfL, but of every company, venue or person who doesn't realise that hobbyists also own expensive kit.
As Kelly as said above, she managed to take a compact camera with her, so why the big deal? leave your dSLR at home when you know you're going to somewhere that doesn't allow them, in exactly the same way you don't try to take a 2 litre bottle of water onto an aeroplane.
If it means that much to you, write letters, campaign, lobby; don't just snark on the internet, that will get you exactly nowhere and make you look like whiny kids throwing their toys out of the pram because they couldn't have a sweetie.
Jim, do you have nothing else to do? You're coming across as rather hysterical. Nobody has died, calm down dear.
Plenty, thanks.
I've just finished a rather well paid photography assignment for my employer and have some time to kill.
I went on the Aldwych tour and as a photographer, I immediately looked at the rules governing photography during the tour and saw the dSLR ban. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram, I took my trusty compact camera instead.
It bugs the hell out of me when people complain about rules governing photography and then do nothing but complain about them without actually doing anything to get the rules changed or amended.
if you can't or won't abide by the rules set down by TfL, silly though they may be, then don't go on the damn tour, or don't act like a wounded party when your camera gets taken off you. Write a letter to TfL explaining why you think the rule is outdated/silly/exclusionary and enter into a dialogue with them to get it fixed.
I have. I didn't feel the need to write two separate whiney articles about it, I actually went out and did something.
Coming across as hysterical? So far Jim has been the only one who has posted well balanced, reasoned views on here. Everyone else has been scoffing, slagging off and getting on their high horses over the T&C TfL has had for years and the explanation for it.
And erm, Tim? Aren't you the same person that is named in this article? Thought you'd be chuffed at how much this is being discussed.
Mmm, no, hysterical is pretty much spot on.
Perhaps a digital rangefinder would work out better?
Or an analogue SLR, or a Fujifilm X100, or even as someone on Twitter commented, a Red Epic!
Jim, Kelly. I have of course been following how this story has developed around the world and it's been fascinating. Trust me, you are the only two people making posts like yours. Time for you both to calm down and move on I think.
Cheers.
Ok - so basically what you are saying is because Jim and I aren't posting views the same as yours and everyone else's; we are therefore hysterical and need to move on?
I do not like or respect the approach you or the author of the article has taken and I, for once, decided to get involved in the discussion. The responses to my posts which have not been abusive, personal or anything else have received responses which do not answer the larger issue at hand.
I have also been reading what else has been posted stemming from you posting your image on Twitter, Tim - and it has been a mixed bag. Yes, there have been lots of people doing the 'What if I take this camera instead??!!' but others have also looked at it from the viewpoint of the company and why they have a ban like this - but like me and Jim have said (which by the looks of it, you have chosen to ignore) we agree it's a silly ban.
Yes - this whole thing has pissed me off. But being called hysterical and telling essentially telling me to jog on because I am not 100% agreeing with you is amazing. You rose this ban up as an issue and it's been covered here and in other small media outlets as a consequence (aside from AP) - so as far as I'm concerned it's open for debate. I doubt the conversation here will develop any further and I've got better things to do with my time once I have posted this reply.
All I see are a lot of hobbyists complaining that they couldn't take their expensive toys with them into a place that doesn't allow said expensive toys and then getting huffy about it.
I have spoken to several of my colleagues who all agree the ban seems, on the face of it, stupid, but one raised an interesting point: if you want to go and take professional (read: saleable) photos or film down there, you have to pay for a permit. This costs money. If anyone on one of these tours took professional level equipment down with them and subsequently offered those pictures for sale, then all those people who paid the fee for official permission would rightly be outraged and even have the chance to sue for the return of the permit fee. The solution? A ban on professional level equipment.
I have to admit, this did not occur to me at the time and on the surface, it makes sense.
However, since a lot of dSLRs are not exactly what you would call professional level equipment, the ban only makes sense if you frame it in terms of the 'species' of equipment used.
Compact cameras are not considered professional; dSLRs are, therefore, a ban on dSLRs, whilst overly broad and exclusionary, can be seen by the company to cover their responsibilities to those who have paid for permits.
As for 'calming down', I'd suggest you reread this comment thread - both Kelly and myself have both agreed that the ban is silly, but have disagreed with the way it has been dealt with in this article. Hardly hysterical in opposition to the hyperbole in the article.
The whining in the article and comments cast both amateur and professional photographers as petulant complainers if they can't take their expensive equipement somewhere where the rules clearly state they can't. Instead, why not use your ire in a constructive way and write to the places/companies involved instead to get the rules amended?
This would lead to a better outcome for all involved and make it look like you're being proactive and responsible instead of bitchy.
I've been speaking to TfL and it costs £1k per hour to shoot in Aldwych station with any equipment you want.
TfL have also stated they do not ban any type of photography equipment across their network of open stations. If you want to photograph the stations properly - its a £40 permit which is valid for a month. If you want to publish any of the photos - it has to be approved by the Film Office.
(just to add some context to Jim's post).
Thanks Kelly, useful information there.
Not sure if I mentioned it, but the staff there on Sunday were all volunteers apparently, so TfL were making a tidy some from 2,500 tickets at £20 a visitor.
I went on the tour myself back in late November, so I know it was volunteers on site helping make this tour happen.
The sign you photographed wasn't there when I went. So I can only assume quite a lot of people did try taking their dSLR on the tour - and because of the bag checks and staff making it clear that dSLR's weren't allowed before commencing the tour, it must have been holding things up.
Of course - TfL and companies like them always do. Private companies are there to make a profit - hence the entry fee, permits to photograph / film on their property and cover their backsides with the photographers / film makers etc etc who do pay for the permits in order to get what they need image-wise.
I agree the explanation behind the ban is flimsy and TfL / Transport Museum do need to be transparent as to why this ban took place - but the approach that has been taken in this article and many others is not the best approach to get things changed to suit both the company and the customers who do pay for one off trips like this.
And as I have said before - TfL are not the only ones who implement this kind of rule which has been around for years. Whilst it's easy to pick on them as it's a recent event - it's not the whole 'picture' (har, har). If we are to be taken seriously on this, then everything needs to be looked at rationally and questioned appropriately for the big guns to even remotely entertain it.
I have to say, when I found out the station was being opened to the public - my first reaction was 'Ok - what are the rules regarding photography?'. My concern was that photography would be outrightly banned. Reaction when I read you couldn't use a dSLR? I shrugged and told my boyfriend I would take my compact instead.
They also charge £1000 per hour for a permit to film/photograph commercially there. Given the amount of filming that has taken place there, £20 x 2500 is a drop in the ocean.
I don't know what the operating costs for keeping such a large property are, but I can imagine they're not small. Tours and commercial permits help keep these stations available for everyone.
They also banned open toed sandals and food during the tour, but you don't hear footwear enthusiasts or chefs complaining do you?
The basic fact is that the station is private property and they can impose whatever rules they want to people who want to visit there.
I do not appreciate being told to calm down or that I should get out more when all I am doing is pointing out the futility of railing against the rules without doing anything about them except complain on twitter or blogs. If you took the time to be constructive about it, things may change. All you're doing is making those of us who do this for a living a bad name.
Snap re. your last paragraph.
Jim - would love to talk to outside this discussion. If you are on Twitter - I'm 'Kemaha'.
Kelly. Thanks, I don't "do" Twitter, although several of my younger colleagues do.
I'm about 2 days away from spending a month in Alaska on assignment. If I get chance, I'll try and get in touch when I return.
Wow - I'm jealous :)
Please do - it would be nice to have a conversation with you outside of here!
Fair enough, let's leave it there then.
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