The NIKKOR 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR AF-S DX assessed

A great 'workhorse' optic for high-quality results

I am always amazed when I see those "what's in the camera bag?" bits in photographic articles. Why? Well, other people's lens choices seem so logical; a series of carefully chosen zooms from ultra-wide to long telephoto with overlap regions to cover any eventuality and maybe a few specialist items thrown in (a macro, PC lenses ...etc). 

Much of my stuff has been collected piecemeal and for particular purposes, so I end up with a whole bunch of lenses, some of which might be deemed esoteric for ordinary use, better suiting the specialist niches in which I operate a lot of the time.

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A couple of years ago it became glaringly obvious I needed a sort of 'dogsbody lens' that I could utilise for a lot of general travel and brochure-cum-magazine work here in Italy (it pays some bills!). The inevitable data search ensued and the 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR AF-S DX NIKKOR entered the scene.

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One of the first items to appear on Pixiq was a thread that discussed best choice of a general lens: I thought about it then wrote nothing. Yesterday, with a kind of 'end of year' check through my Lightroom 3 catalogue I went to the selection by metadata and noticed a figure of several thousand images shot with this zoom over the past year alone. Yep, I love Lightroom when a single click can bring up a screen full of all those images: I was struck by the sheer variety of instances when I had used it.

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Always beware the hyper criticism

There is plenty out there on the Internet with details to satisfy the nerd within us which is why, when I write about lenses, I try to consider the 'real world' use always after a long period of general deployment. A tendency with some reviews is to pick on things that, to the uninitiated, might seem important but in practice really do not matter a fig. This is particularly the case with zoom lenses which, in design, are a huge and rather amazing opto-mechanical compromise.

It all gets a bit like Goldilocks and the Three Bears with the chairs at the end belonging to Baby Bear and Daddy Bear being too soft and too hard respectively. But then, in the middle, Mummy Bear's chair is just right. Something has to go in the design of any zoom lens and it usually happens at the extreme ends of the performance range. The more ambitious the zoom the more the compromise - a 28-200 mm zoom (and now 55 - 300mm VR) is a fantastic device for a whole load of things but if you want impressive close focus at the wide end and wide aperture telephoto at the long end then you might need to carry other lenses in your gadget bag. 

You use what you have, though and in the past couple of years my son Rhodri has spent a lot of time in Southeast Asia and then in South America where he took some stunning images - travelling light with an approx.  7X zoom ( 24 -200mm) and a diffused, off-camera flash.

This Nikon 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR AF-S DX NIKKOR zoom appealed to me because it offered 16mm focal length at the wide end - the equivalent of 24mm on 35mm film or FX. Ever since I began photography (with whatever format I have used) I have always done a great deal with lenses in the 24 to 28 mm range (and their equivalents in 6x4.5cm and 6x7cm) with something in the bag (currently a 15mm diagonal fisheye and/or 10-20mm zoom) for occasional use away from the 'norm'.

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Here are the manufacturer's claims for the lens: 

  • Powerful 5.3x zoom with wide 16-85mm focal range (35mm equivalent: 24 to 127.5mm), perfect for everything from portraits to interiors, architecture and landscapes. 
  • Second-generation Vibration Reduction (VR II) stabilization system enables more flexible hand-held shooting and lets you use shutter speeds that are up to 4 times slower. 
  • Exceptionally high optical performance: designed specifically for use with Nikon DX format digital SLR sensors. 
  • Closest-focusing distance: 0.38m. 
  • ED (Extra-low Dispersion) glass and Aspherical lens elements ensure high resolution and contrast while minimizing spherical aberration, astigmatism and other forms of distortion. 
  • SWM (Silent Wave Motor) for fast, whisper-quiet autofocus. 
  • Nikon Super Integrated Coating greatly reduces ghosting and flare and ensures outstanding color reproduction. 
  • Compatible with 67mm filter attachments.

 

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 And my personal experience in use:

  • Size and  Build: Physically the lens is small, robust and very well-balanced on a D300 body. It is supremely versatile.
  • Autofocus: is precise and speedy and on manual it has a good 'conventional lens weighting' that I like. 
  • Vibration Reduction it comes complete with VRII image stabilisation - a feature which at first seemed interesting but was never an important selling point for me. My ideas have changed for when I use this for ambient light photos in interiors they are noticeably sharper when this is switched on. It really works -- arguably for those claimed 4 extra stops.
  • Optical Performance. Razor-sharp it truly is over the zoom range.

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A mild digression

It always intrigues me when people talk about sharpness (the subject of one of my coming posts) for it is an impression created by a combination of things from the resolving power of the lens to its contrast and the way the image is created in the camera's microprocessors. Some of you out there might regularly expect to produce giant images from your digital files - great, may the fee you get be commensurate with the size. Most of the time, unless it's for exhibitions, mine get blown up to double spread A4 at most.

Given reasonable care taken in the photographic process, an awful lot of lenses can give great quality for this. I have been delighted with what this impressive Nikon zoom can do. Unless you are using top of the range zooms such as Nikon 12-24mm or Canon 16-35mm and the Sigma 10-20mm with a zoom range of two times or thereabouts you will get some deterioration when the lens is wide open particularly at the short focus end. But it is the kind of thing you will only notice if you go out of your way to get images that challenge the lens. Same with distortion (both barrel and pincushion) -- you'll pick it up at the edges of frames and may be at the centre when standing square on to a brick wall. But these days with the degree of lens correction available in Photoshop and Lightroom it is easily corrected if it bothers you.

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Pricing

It is not the cheapest of 'general purpose' wide to moderate zooms (see dealers in your country for the best offers) but those extra few millimetres make a difference with 16mm focal length rather than the 'standard' 18mm at the wide end. It is not generous with aperture (f/3.5-5.6) but than I very seldom shoot wide aperture with wide-angle lenses so, for me, it is not a problem. And now, with a new generation of sensors, the performance at ISO 400-800 is arguably indistinguishable from that at ISO 200 and so it matters less and less.

I can squeeze better 'macro' performance out of this lens with a supplementary lens added at the front. I have experimented with a 12mm extension tube, which works well (even if very close at the 16mm end): it was Kenko rather than Nikon. You have heard this gripe before -- please wake-up Nikon and give your 'followers' proper electronically coupled extension tubes. You'd probably sell large numbers, even at the undoubtably extravagant price they would cost! I cannot use a x1.4 converter because the lens rear element is too close to the end of the mount.

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Included below are the lens parameters:

  • Focal length: 16-85mm
  • Maximum aperture:  f/3.5-5.6
  • Minimum aperture:  f/22-36
  • Lens construction:  17 elements in 11 groups (with two ED glass elements, three aspherical lenses)
  • Picture angle: 83° - 18°50’
  • Closest focus distance: 0.38 m/1.3 ft. (throughout the entire zoom range)
  • Maximum reproduction ratio: 1/4.6
  • No. of diaphragm blades: 7 (rounded)
  • Filter/attachment size: 67mm
  • Diameter x length (extension from lens mount) Approx. 72 x 85mm/2.8 x 3.4 in.
  • Weight Approx. 485 g/17.1 oz

CONCLUSION ?

This is  a very useful, sharp and reliable optic that I purchased to use a lot for general stuff and then found, almost unnoticed until yesterday, that I seem to have left it on the camera for an awful lot more. You can get a bit lazy with a lens like this and an pop-up flash!

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NB For a personal take on some other lenses, based on extensive field use see my earlier Pixiq posts:

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Comments

Paul: I agree wholeheartedly...it's a wonderful optic. All the best for a great New Year!

Bob

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Bob,

Good to know you are also a fan. And may you have an excellent 2011, too!

Paul

I also agree! This is one useful lens. I have always carried a zoom in this range for street and general use photography. Before the 16-85mm, I used the 24-85mm, which was also very sharp- but not wide enough.

For these focal lengths, I see no reason to have super fast glass. And with the weight you save......you really do use it alot more than you would think!

Sadly- I do think its a little expensive, so it seems alot of folks dont bother with it. I picked mine up when it first came out- I paid about 550.

Im curious though- I had read that alot of folks say it has little or no creep. Mine seems to have quite alot now. I dont normally shoot straight up or down, with this lens anyway, but have you found creep in your sample?

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Richard,

Many thanks for your comment. As you say, for these focal lengths super fast glass is not essential. I agree that it is perceived to be too expensive by potential buyers for the difference over a lens with 18mm at the short end. If the price was pitched more attractively I am sure that the increased sales would more than compensate.

I emailed a couple of friends here in Italy who bought them after borrowing mine to try out. Not one of us has experienced the focus creep you mention with this lens...yet. Trouble is such things are annoying when they arise, seldom get better of their own accord and cost to have corrected.

Paul

I just purchased one this week and I am delighted. It is an upgrade for me as I have been using the dated 18-70 as an all around utility player. The 18-70 is a very good lens but I always wanted it to be a bit wider and give me a picture angle equal to a 24mm in 35. To my way of thinking wide angle lenses are not for shooting wide they are for shooting deep. 28mm made me get too low or farther back from the foreground to get my foreground and background the way I like. 28mm compared to 24mm just doesn't give the same feeling of depth while making the foreground pop and for that reason I would never have the confidence to go on a walk without also taking my 12-24 (which meant carrying a different filter If I wanted a polarizer.)There are still times that I will want my 12-24 but I now feel like I will truly be prepared for most opportunities with one walk around lens. The extended range at the telephoto end is nice too but the extended wide end is what sold me this lens. The VR is nice because I shoot birds and walking around with a Super Tele on a tripod with a Gimbal Head with my D 300, I can also cary my D 90 with this lens over my shoulder and not have to say no to other photographic opportunities. I could do that with my 18-70 too but not as well as with the increased focal range and VR of the 16-85. It also feels like a good quality lens and takes the same 67mm filter as my 70-300 VR. Me Likee!

And please add another very happy user to your list. This lens was first brought to my attention by Mr. Bob Krist on his blog and the Nikon School video with Joe McNally, and my ever so wonderful girlfriend decided to get me one as a birthday present back in May. I wholeheartedly agree with your Goldilocks comment, it's really as close to a perfect compromise between features, quality and price as you can get. Mine only leaves my camera when I need more reach (for which I have the also brilliant 70-300 VR) or feel like playing with a fast prime (cue the spectacular 35 f/1.8). Nikon spoils us! :D

Happy New Year everyone (and a very special thanks to Bob Krist for the "recommendation"!)

Sorry, I forgot to add that mine does creep a bit but not in actual use, only when walking around with the camera hanging from the shoulder and lens pointing in and downwards. After a few minutes of walking I find the zoom has crept to the 24 mm mark or nearby, but then seems to stay there.
I hope it doesn't get any worse than this, and so far I've never found it to be an actual problem when shooting.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Hi Tom and Filipe thanks for your comments.

I have just come in from a long (bitterly cold) hike beside the sea and just for the test I carried this lens alone.

For the first time, having been made aware of it I noticed a tiny bit of creep but was able to put it down to the fact that with lens handing downwards there is sufficient weight in the lens barrel assembly to move the thread a tiny bit when the camera plus lens bounced against my jacket. On a day when temperatures were higher than today (a couple of ℃ above freezing) and a lens lubricant less sluggish it might have moved more...this is pure conjecture. Roll on summer and I shall try again

Paul

Couple of general comments, as I have never shot this lens:

1. The picture of your granddaughter is likely your wallpaper, unlikely to be your screen saver. A distinction that is frequently missed.

2. Comments like, "It is not generous with aperture (f/3.5-5.6) but than I very seldom shoot wide aperture with wide-angle lenses so, for me, it is not a problem. And now, with a new generation of sensors, the performance at ISO 400-800 is arguably indistinguishable from that at ISO 200 and so it matters less and less," make me give less weight to the rest of the article. Aperture doesn't only, or even primarily, effect shutter speed. Bumping ISO can't change your depth of field, and that lens can never, never, open any wider than 3.5. And, on what 135 camera is 85mm "wide?" Do you never shoot wider aperture at 85mm? If not, why not?

The point of utility zooms like this is, well, utility. They're wide, sure, but they cover portrait lengths, and a bit more. If you're only going to use it for its wide end, say that upfront, but a wide prime would be better optically, faster and likely lighter.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Thank you for your email - I am not sure where you are coming from (or going to for that matter)

1. The picture of my granddaughter is both wall paper (sic) and screensaver on my main Mac: thank you for pointing out the distinction.

2, The whole tenor of my review was to indicate the usefulness of a lens like this for general photography AND for a general audience. I am sorry that various comments such make you "give less weight to the rest of the article" - so be it, you can please some folk some of the time and all that...

3. Sorry, but I am not quite sure why you feel compelled to state that "aperture does not only. or even primarily effect (shouldn't that be affect?) shutter speed" There was never any implication that it should - it is a fact that that in achieving what is deemed to be 'correct' exposure by a metering system those factors of aperture, shutter speed and ISO are dependent variables.

4. No one said bumping ISO changes depth of field - the only thing that does that is a change of aperture for a given focal length

5..." And, on what 135 camera is 85mm "wide?" - it isn't. There was never that implication.

6. Yes, a wide prime is better as a stand-alone wide angle but the whole point is that a lens like this covers a number of eventualities and in going to 16mm rather than the more common 18mm (in this kind of zoom) it thus seems sensible to emphasise the advantages that this conveys to its wide-angle capabilities?

Re: 5. You address the obvious weakness of the lens, it's slow speed, thusly: "It is not generous with aperture (f/3.5-5.6) but than I very seldom shoot wide aperture with wide-angle lenses" It is this to which I responded. This is a 16-85mm lens, and you say that you seldom shoot wide aperture with a wide-angle lens. This isn't a wide angle lens, it's a wide to telephoto lens, and you essentially don't address the extremely slow f/5.6 aperture at 85mm (a non-wide focal length). If, instead, one is simply treating it as a wide angle lens, one would be better off with a wide angle prime. If one is using it as a zoom, then a review should address both ends of the lens, not gloss over a glaring flaw in one end of the zoom range. So, it's a fair comment on your review that 85mm isn't wide. You addressed the whole lens with a pretty cavalier comment that you don't use wide aperture on wide lenses, so it's fair to point out this isn't just a wide lens.

Re: 3. You attempt to address the relative slowness of this lens with a comment regarding the fact that newer cameras are better at higher ISO shooting. That addresses ONLY the shutter speed of the equation, which is hardly addressing the only flaw in small aperture lenses. More glaring is the inability to separate subject from background, or add the ever popular "bokeh" to an image. You don't address that at all.

Re: 6. Yes. A utility zoom is great because it covers a range of focal lengths. Your review ignores all but the wide end.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Thank you for your comment: both the content and tone are noted.

Yours, too, mate. Yours too.

Here's why I like to have this lens. I can carry my Super Tele on my shoulder on the tripod but also have a camera around me neck to shoot wide shots. These were shot this morning while I was on a 2 mile walk along the Chattahoochee River, My 300 was attached to the Gimbal Head, My D 90 with the 16 to 85 around my neck. I wasn't carrying anything else. The back lit trees and Gold Branch Creek shots were done hand held and stopped down. I like this lens. I'm not much for lens tests and shooting brick walls, I just like something that helps me get good pictures.

Thanks for the very helpful review! It gave me confidence that I had made a good 500 dollar purchase ( I bought it used) and my experience with it is cooberating that impression.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your comment: the variety and quality of the shots you sent in endorses the money spent...particularly when you found one 'lovingly pre-owned' as they say.

The circumstances you mention are the kind of thing I often face - just walking somewhere with the chance you might find something. Sometimes you just want to wander for pleasure not laden with a bag full of gear. It is the kind of lens that copes with a wide range of circumstances and you come back with shots that satisfy you and others.

That river bank walk looks great, by the way

sorry, corroborating not cooberating.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

I guessed - but the keyboard slip creation is a good word compared with some created deliberately by advertisers and politicos.Coo-berating: being harangued by doves?

best

Paul

Or Walter Pidgeon.

Ooh that was fowl, but I was just winging it.

I'd better stop or I'm going to get blocked from this web site.

Tom

OK, I've made this point before but I am just loving this lens!!! We had a 6" snow here in Atlanta Georgia last night. I got up first thing this morning and strapped on my Cross Country Skis, not something you see in Atlanta, Ga. very often. I took my camera with one lens, the 16 to 85 VR. The VR helped because I didn't want to go skiing with a bag full of stuff and a tripod. I used the whole range of this lens. It is a winner and will stay in my bag forever! Here's two of the imgages from my ski this morning. I was skiing by a small stream near my house. The tight shot is at 85 mm and the wide shot is at 16mm with a tiny strip cropped from the top.

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Tom,

Please, feel free to make the point again. We all spend time looking over reviews, trying things out and then we part with the shekels...Sometimes it's not quite what you want but you delude yourself anyway (no-one likes throwing money away - well, no-one I know and never in my direction!).

I think we have the same experience with this lens - a very pleasant surprise that, over its whole range, it is one heck of a good performer that can be used in a wide variety of situations. For so many things, you can get a very good image, not the magic one maybe, but so much of what any 'journeyman photographer' (99% of us) takes does not come into that category. But they sell!

It is not going to let you down and when that VR enables you to leave the tripod behind on a skiing outing...it must be good: too many legs.

I agree with you about good images vs. MAGIC images. I'm not a professional photographer and I will probably never make my living at it, though I have been fortunate enough to pay for all of my equipment with photo sales and publications. Most of what I do with my camera is to sell or donate images to conservation organizations for use on their web sites or in publications, brochures, Power Point shows, etc. Many of the images that are used for those purposes are not the MAGIC pictures, they are the journeyman shots, competently composed without any major flaws like horizons in the center, bulls-eyed composition, distractions, technical errors such as camera shake or inadequate depth of field. This lens will help me get more of those by being light, mobile and therefore, with me, when an opportunity arises.

One of the things that makes me a loyal Nikon fan is that the quality and performance of their mid-level equipment (stuff that can be afforded by people like me who have kids to put through college, car payments and mortgages)is excellent.

I think your selling yourself short here. I dont think any lens will give you a "magic" image. Some lenses will help get the image easier- but thats all. As a pro- you pay extra for this. I never considered any lens "mid-level"! Yet- I have seen a lot of "mid-level imagery" with expensive glass!

For me- the "magic" is when subject and light come together to create the feeling of being there for the viewer. Zooms in this range have long been the "workhorse" of both the professional and amateur photographer..

Heres a link I always find inspiration in- http://www.dailydigitalphoto.com/cgi-bin/potd/potd_gallery.pl?to_day=9&t...

Take a few moments and go through the galleries. There are many "magic" images here taken with kit lenses and consumer cameras!

You know- at the end of the day- 85mm at f8 is the same on the 1.4 or the 1.8, or the 70-200 f2.8. You can not tell the difference looking at a print or a screen.

And for what its worth, Mr. Wilson- the moment you excepted cash for a photograph- you crossed over to being a pro! Welcome to the club!

Oh I agree, the lens is just a tool. The magic is all about light, subject, compostion, novelty, etc. coming together to create a powerful image that elicits strong emotional response. I can and have produced such images but what I have come to realize is that there is actually a need for Plain Jane images, if you will, that illustrate or educate. These images need to be technically correct, well composed, compelling images but they are not that MAGIC shot that we all know instantly when we see it. I'm learning that lots of those shots are important too, especially if you are working for any kind of organization that has education as a part of its mission. So now on my way back from shooting dramatic sunrise light over a foggy river, I shoot pictures of beaver-gnawed stumps or alien invasive privet covering an area that used to have wildflowers or any of a number of well executed, illustrative photos. There's actually a big need for them.

OK here's my favorite of my images from the ski trip near my house. Thanks Nikon for making a tool that helped me make this image.

Well 10 months later and I am still loving this lens. I have owned a lot of Nikkors and I have to say it is one of my favorites. This is from the same trail that I posted images from 10 months ago. Again, I had my long lens and D300 on a gimble mount slung over my shoulder and my D 90 and the 16-85 around my neck, all the shots were hand held (love that VR!)

Paul Harcourt Davies
Pixiq Expert

Hello Tom,

Yes, that VR really does work...funnily enough I was out wandering around this last weekend with that very same lens on my D300!

It was not a photo-jaunt, just an amble along the Via Appia, one of the ancient roads out of Rome and lined with numerous tombs, monuments and so on...It is lined with umbrella pines and parts of it still have the original Roman slab paving. Blue skies, low angle winter light... easy!

best

Paul

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