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The other 99% of the time it's either steroid induced rage, or just small penis/man syndrome.

Based on the linked story, this took place inside the store at the video-game display, so by your own description of the standards this was not a valid arrest.

And pardon me if (given the long history of bogus "resisting arrest" charges) I prefer to wait for eyewitness testimony or video evidence before believing the officer's claim that he resisted.

I can go along with final pay spot part since its fairly close to the front of the store. But in this case it seems not to be applicable.

Lets see "and only put a video game in his waistband to free his hands to help the boy."

Hm, if he dropped it down his pants I might actually think about concealment. This phrase gives me the image of the game sticking out of his pants, perhaps others might read it differntly, but every other option makes it hard to get out. And at this point it isn't stolen, you wouldn't have much of a case if he HAD planned on stealing it and had later ditched it in the store and didn't have it on him. A further point, walmart where I live puts games in a case that is hard to break and contains a security tag so getting it out of the store even if it were tucked into his waistband would be difficult. I haven't been to a WM in YEARS that gives you the game to walk around the store with without something to reduce loss. All of this points to gross over use of force.

I don't so much have a problem with force, but we have seen FAR TOO MANY videos where the force used was GROSSLY out of proportion to either the offense or needed to control the situation. And we have seen FAR TOO MANY videos of cops clearly acting unprofessional and out of control. So forgive me if I am no longer to willing to give police the benefit of the doubt in any circumstance. Just as you undoubtedly give little benefit of the doubt to the people you come accross.

So you fantasize about breaking into houses, victimizing people, and stealing things?

We already knew that.

If you're a cop in Indiana, you are free to bust into someone's home at any time and for any reason, or for no reason at all. No warrant required. Just ask the Indiana Supreme Court.

And the homeowner is not legally permitted to protect his property from the police in such cases, either. If you don't believe me, see this link:

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a1...

"You're contradicting yourself: JL wrote "You do have to let them pass the final spot to pay though. So if they walk past the registers you can apprehend them before they walk out the store." That's completely incompatible with your claim that "concealment is all you need to make an arrest for shoplifting."

Actually, probable cause is what is needed to make the arrest and there are several ways to do this. The most common is to let someone walk past the last point of purchase. That provides enough PC WITHOUT having to let them leave the store. However there are other ways that also develop enough probable cause. Sticking a video game down your pants is a pretty unusual method of carrying an item in a store. So is going into a dressing room and putting on several layers of clothes or taking items out of a wrapped and putting them in your backpack.

Any of these actions can also be considered probable cause to arrest a person for shoplifting.

"Secondly, I love your amateur analysis of how a person must behave in a chaotic situation. Must be great to never, ever do anything but the optimum thing. Most people, however, do irrational shit all the time."

And yet I love the way you folks get bent out of shape if an officer doesn't use the most gentle perfect painless technique to control a chaotic and rapidly changing situation.

Dave, who knows what the law would mean in the minds of the unreasonable. Again, the case law may shed light.

I think about Shoppers in wheel chairs they have to be very resourceful in carrying their merchandise, usually having to put it in places most of us wouldn't. Look out shoppers in Wheel chairs don’t let Johnny Law or Law Man see you, they’ll blow your brains out over a box of Depends.

I think about Shoppers in wheel chairs they have to be very resourceful in carrying their merchandise, usually having to put it in places most of us wouldn't. Look out shoppers in Wheel chairs don’t let Johnny Law or Law Man see you, they’ll blow your brains out over a box of Depends.

I think about Shoppers in wheel chairs they have to be very resourceful in carrying their merchandise, usually having to put it in places most of us wouldn't. Look out shoppers in Wheel chairs don’t let Johnny Law or Law Man see you, they’ll blow your brains out over a box of Depends.

I think about Shoppers in wheel chairs they have to be very resourceful in carrying their merchandise, usually having to put it in places most of us wouldn't. Look out shoppers in Wheel chairs don’t let Johnny Law or Law Man see you, they’ll blow your brains out over a box of Depends.