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Please don’t try to pin this on us! BP is a multinational company. In fact, it is almost as much as US company as a UK company:

http://www.bp.com/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9010453&co...

Fat Allen needs to make like an oil soaked gull and flock off. Of course government makes up rules, they always do, when will people take thier heads out of their asses and realize that the problem is not “the government,” the problem is “government,” a group of thugs who punish their enemies and reward their friends. We don’t even need a federal government, time for states to start leaving the union, it’s over lets just end it now.
Jody recently posted..Did Federal Operatives Help Kill Kennedy

I’m sure terrorists are planning on attacking Gulf infrastructure now that thousands of people are deployed in clean up efforts.

Why not just go to work on a crew with a C4 vest?

Disgusting!

Corporations write legislation, and then get the middle management – i.e., legislators – to rubber stamp it.

Remember the trillion dollar TARP handout to the banks. One legislator said 50% of citizens said “no,” and the other 50% said “hell no.”

It still passed.

That’s because middle management always listens to upper management.

The US is a gigantic open air company store run with prison rules.

Seems lots of people are getting a “talking to,” from the GESTAPO. Not sure if this embed code will work, sorry if it doesn’t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pi8R_FUGys

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Jody recently posted..Did Federal Operatives Help Kill Kennedy

You’re batting about zero when you drift into spill territory.

Nothing about this violates the first amendment. The first amendment does not guarantee press access to anything, just the right to publish/speak. Only a very broad liberal interpretation of the Constitution can make it apply to access.

Further more the ban is only 20 meters. If you can’t shoot video from 60 feet you are pretty damned incompetent.

Being within 60 feet of a boom operation at sea basically falls under “reckless endangerment” which has been illegal for years. Boats operating within 60 feet of the cleanup would in almost all cases actively interfere with cleanup, but I guess that’s fine because you’ll blame any accidents on BP too, probably claiming that they’re ramming journalists to keep them away.

“Journalism” isn’t some badge which lets you go around and harass and interfere under the First Amendment. You can print whatever you like… such as this incredibly misleading post. However you are not entitled to go whereever you want and endanger others go get your scoop.

I have a question.

Was there a law passed to enforce the 65 foot exclusion zone with the resulting penalties for entering it? Or, does the felony and possible fine result from ignoring orders from the Coast Guard?

I’m not saying that the Coast Guard has the authority or is correct in these orders. I just want to know if a law was passed.

Also, please don’t flame me if my question was addressed in the video clip. I can’t turn up the sound on my computer at the moment.

WRONG WRONG WRONG SOOOO WRONG!!! Go back and read the 1st amendment before commenting next time k?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble”

Doesn’t say “no law respecting publishing info” but simple freedom of the press and freedom of assembly.
Further, you do know that some booms have been washed into marshes and their tall grass such that they aren’t visible from 60 ft right? How is mistakenly coming upon such a situation going to be handled? Will the people be allowed to apologize and back away because BP and the government are the oh so forgiving type?

This is a “rule” made by the Coast Guard, not a “law” passed by Congress or a state legislature. Can’t it be taken to court?

I’m going to disagree. This action represents a substantial burden on the freedoms guaranteed by the first amendment at the very least because it substantially undermines the ability to record audio.

Having said that, any laws/rule would need to be necessary to a compelling interest. I don’t think that’s the case here because the rule isn’t narrowly tailored. Why 65 feet? why not 64 feet or 60 feet? What dangers existed that were not addressed by the prior standards?

If I were in the Gulf taking pictures or shooting video I would be worried that this rule would be used against the media or citizens regardless of the 65 foot limit. “Yes your honor, the photographer was, in my opinion, within the exclusion zone.” When perhaps they were not. We have seen the power that BP is wielding with the Coast Guard, and local LEO’s.

Disgusting, what other products beside gas do we need to stop buying from BP?

Seems it’s ok for them to practice their freedoms here and make billions, but not the people who have fought for those freedoms and sent family off to die for them.

What a kick in the groin!

THIS IS WHERE YOU SEND IN A FLASH MOB, AND GET AS MUCH FOOTAGE AS YOU CAN IN MASS HISTERIA

Thank you, Pat.

The post is misleading in that respect. I assumed it was an order from the Coast Guard and the penalties were for disregarding the order. Not that it makes the order correct or just.

nothing really misleading, when the parish principals are saying “we’re concerned for our recreational fishermen and commercial fishermen accidentally getting to close to a BOAT or BOOM. if you’re facing the back of your boat and you’re just coasting, the coast gaurd/bp/a skimmer could sidle up next to you without you knowing pretty easily.

Restricting access to damaged booms might make sense except these booms are only damaged because they were supposed to be picked up weeks ago. Every mistake is amplified in this mess, and that’s why the bird pictures are important, because people don’t care if the ocean is brown, but almost everyone hates to see a little bird dying because we want to use plastics for EVERYTHING.

If anything the US is less free than the UK.

Why doesn’t someone just attach a camera to an RC plane and fly it over a couple of times.

I bought one of these pens for 23 bucks just to take a little gamble and see what they do. This takes better videos than my Microsoft 5000 web cam, and cost half the price, plus it writes good too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170503639342&ssPageNa...

Do cell phones require paid service just to take pics and download to your home pc?

Man!
BP will call US Airforce. Cost Guard alone is not enough for us?

artemis, you’re entirely correct. But the narcissists here aren’t interested in logic, reason, facts, or common sense. It’s an echo chamber of hacks and wannabes all blowing their nose on Carlos Miller’s shared cumrag of self-pity.

It’s a shame some people don’t have the fucking balls to call a spade a spade. Eventually you will no longer be rimming the asshole of government because it’s boot will be on your neck. People like you sometimes make me pine for a gun and blood filled revolution. Don’t go creating a police state on my account. Who was it that said, “the more corrupt a state, the more it legislates?” Yea, I guess peons like myself should just follow the rules. Canadians should never have helped black slaves escape via the underground railroad, nooooo, we should have FOLLOWED THE LAW!!!!

The pricks who work in the government are the best of the best, the brightest of the brightest, the upper echelon of society, if I squint hard enough I’ll spot a halo over their heads, oh just piss off already.
Jody recently posted..Did Federal Operatives Help Kill Kennedy

Also i don’t understand how intentionally causing trouble helps your cause, a lot like the metro rail situation.

You probably are already aware of this, but just in case you are not, here is the link:

http://www.propublica.org/article/photographer-tells-of-being-followed-b...

Ok so after seeing few of these videos where the police ask your identity, I finally figured out that they’re doing that to do a check on you in their database. Well at least that’s what it seems like to me. And it seems like in some cases (such as this one) it’s just an excuse for them to try to find some reason to arrest you since they can’t get you on any charge at the moment. I guess it’s the way they can just get BP’s bidding done.
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By the way, I’m glad you’ve clarified a bit what’s going on here. I had only seen the CNN video before and I just couldn’t figure out why they were keeping people from getting near the spill.
Angelo recently posted..Rsync Speed-up

“because you’ll blame any accidents on BP too”

Well yes, I do think that any accidents that are caused because of the spill are BP’s fault almost regardless of the circumstances. But thanks for sharing about the safety guidelines regarding a boom.

My impression of the situation is that the 65 ft rule applies to more than booms though, no?
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Hey
Don’t blame the problems of the oil spill on the British. If you Yanks guzzled less gas you maybe wouldn’t need deep water drilling in the Gulf.
And BP is not a British company – it’s a multinational, with shareholders all around the world. I bet there are even some US citizens who own BP shares – maybe they’re to blame too?
Or what about your legislators who gave permission for this drilling – do they not bear some responsibility as well?

Can i just remind our American cousins about
A) The Bhopal Disaster (Deat toll between 4000-15000; thanks Union Carbide)

B) Piper Alpha Oil Rig Disater in the North Sea
(death toll 165- thanks Occidental Petroleum)
Cheers from Scotland

I wish some people were better informed and more logical in resolving this problem.

Oh, by the way, Jody you make a lot of sense IMHO.

I believe that the 65 foot exclusion zone is reasonable in this circumstance. I futher believe that this distance isn’t too great to get good photographs.

The protest against this very reasonable regulation diminishes that sympathy or outrage engendered in reasonable person’s when photographers are harassed for, or prevented from, taking photographs from places on public property. Even then, no sympathy or outrage would be engendered should the photographer be arrested for attempting to get a very close up of a murder victim.

Well, this just proves that all that bs about hope and change meant “I hope you vote for me and I’ll be a dictator just like my predecessor, no change there!”. BPs bastards have bought the US government, the Coast Guard, the DHS and now scientists at LSU, MSU and Texas A & M. Yeah, it really sucks to be a run-of-the-mill American.