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Remember “Cameras for Safety”. You just never know who a camera might keep you safe from.

I was hoping I was on video tape. However there wasn’t a camera pointed at the spot.

so the mathematical equation is easy….
dirty cops=fear cameras
honest cops=dont fear cameras
therefore by the commutative properties of addition…
if a cop wont let u use a camera then chances are he’s DIRTY!

agreed. or doesn’t know the law. from that list up there, it sounds like beat police need to take monthly classes on current law. they also may need to get to know some ethics. morals? something.

there was a post awhile back by someone saying how they always listen and do what police tell them to do. this is an idiotic stance. especially if the police want to hurt you in some way. there has recently been a lot of news about a case here (NYC) where two police are under investigation for raping an intoxicated woman in her apartment. luckily there was a surveillance camera in the area that shows them entering her building 3 times that night. otherwise it would probably be passed off as the ramblings of a drunk.

Holly,

That post was probably mine. Except for one or two others I seem to be the only one with a positive view of police in this echo chamber of anti-authoritarian thought.

In answer to your question – yes. Yes I always do what police tell me to do, even if it is idiotic or will hurt me in some way. Especially then. I am a lemming and incapable of rational independent thought.

Or just maybe…

All cops are not criminals so you do not treat them that way. At the very least you give them the same amount of respect and courtesy you would give a stranger on the street. It is possible to have a more enlightened, nuanced support of first ammendment rights other that “all cops are f-ing pigs”. Grow up.

I hope you win your case Carlos. If they look at the facts of the case you really should. The police had no right to force you to move. My guess is that the Miami Herald moves to an entirely online edition within five years and they will feature you prominently if you decide to let them.

I could only find video of the bike incident and the guy getting hit with a baton. The cop in the bike incident appears to be wrong.

The other one clearly shows two officers trying to handcuff a guy who is resisting. He even resist after being hit with the baton several times. It’s funny we see such a short clip, I’m sure whoever was filming didn’t just turn the camera on just before he start hitting him with the baton so what are they trying to hide. This incident is a good example why all cops should carry tasers.

If an officer gives an order to move to a certain area, just do it. If you feel the need to photograph the scene, get a bigger/faster lens and shoot from across the street.

Officers naturally “fear” having their pictures posted on the internet. Some in patrol may end up in an undercover spot later in their career. Your picture on the net, whilst enjoying your 1st Amendment right to express yourself freely, may end up getting the officer killed if it blows his/her cover. If you get to enjoy your rights at the expense of others, they cease to be rights as such. No one has the right to jeopardize someone’s life.

You can certainly take the shot and post it, but why not split the difference and blur out the faces of the officers as a courtesy to those who do not consent to your activities? Save the original un-blurred version, “just in case.”

There is no way in hell that an officer’s possible/maybe/hasn’t happened yet future career trumps my right to take their photo. Their being in public is what is important. And besides, how am I to know if someone in one of my pictures is undercover or not? Your argument is that of someone who is grasping at straws.

Jim,

My understanding of Carlos’ case is that he was escorted across the street and told to keep moving. I support the police, believe me, but I cannot think of a legal or logical reason why Carlos didn’t have the right to peacefully stand on the other side of the street taking pictures. He certainly wasn’t impeding whatever investigation was taking place.

What it seems to boil down to is that the cops were pissed off that he disobeyed their commands to leave and they decided to teach him a lesson. Plain and simple. It is certainly hard to justify the level of force used against him.

Carlos is a very polarizing person for a reason I don’t yet understand. Some people (yourself excluded) seem to despise him with a passion that is confusing to me. They think that he is a drama queen and that he has brought all of this on himself. I disagree. I think that, given the circumstances, what he has endured is rather heroic.

My worry is that this event, along with the constant cheering and echo of anti authoritarian thought on this blog, will change how he views the police and permanently give his view of them an unbalanced slant.

As for the pictures- if it was me, once my face hit the pavement any idea of blurring faces would be out. The rule of getting what you put out to others goes both ways.

I want to donate to Carlos' legal defense fund, but cannot find the link.

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Jim,

There have been times when I accompanied cops on raids back in Arizona and there were always a few undercover cops who asked not to be photographed and I obliged.

But to not take photos of a uniform cop because he might one day work undercover and possibly be investigating one of my readers who just happens to recognize this particular cop from one of many pictures of cops that I post on this site is absurd.

If that were the case, then why are all these cops allowing themselves to get filmed on shows like Cops and First 48?

BTW, welcome to the blog. You have a very interesting blog yourself. You apparently are a Photoshop wiz.

I might learn a thing or two from your blog.

John,

It’s funny how you mention my ability to polarize people. It is true.

But I also like to point out that I have an ability to de-polarize people.

Like you for example, a proud conservative knowing I am a proud liberal.

Before my arrest, I never dreamed I would one day run a blog that is about 45/55 republican/democrat.

And speaking of polarizing, many of the people who despise me are so-called liberals. And some of the people who support me a conservatives.

Meanwhile, I am still a liberal but not nearly so partisan about it as I once was.

About the cop thing. Cops are funny people. You catch them at a good time or off work, they can be very friendly and down to earth.

But then you get some on that powertrip who believe they create the laws as they go, then we’re going to have a problem.

You think NYPD is bad? You gotta spend some time with the goons in Philly… They run drugs, hookers and numbers and are on the “payroll.”

And on that note, it shouldn’t be surprising that Miami PD is just as bad because they are run by Chief John Timoney, who spent time in both Philly and NY police departments.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2007-09-20/news/john-timoney-america-s-wors...

Did anyone see the video on the news on I think thursday night about the professional athlete that was caught speeding trying to get his mother in law to the hospital cause she was dying. When he got her to the emergency room, the cops wouldn’t let him get her in the building even AFTER a nurse told them she really was dying. The mother in law died in the car, because they wouldn’t believe the athlete. The article then said the cops would be reprimanded… reprimanded hell!! they should be thrown in JAIL!! They ALLOWED A WOMAN TO DIE!!! This is ridiculus! I know there are good cops and bad cops, but the bad cops need to be weeded out. I’m glad they are scared of cameras, they should be. As much as I don’t like cameras all over the world myself, I think that if it keeps the bad cops from getting away w/ all this crap then good!

Carlos, once again you prove how much you hate America, leave the country you pile of trash. It is people like you that probably smiled and cheered at the death of the four officers in Oakland.

I understand that there are bad people out there, and that there are people in every job that bend the rules, but you sir seem to make it your life long goal to find every bad cop out there. Once again if you hate America that much; leave the country, I would be happy to buy your plane ticket out of here.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

What really irks me is this- cops are always going on about their surveillance needs and arguing idiocy like “if you’re not doing anything wrong- then what have you got to hide?” But what’s good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander. Cops should be allowed to set up surveillance and tap phones- but they don’t want it to happen to them. You know what? Tough. If you’re not 100% sure you can do your job without breaking the law then you have absolutely no business being a cop.

Cops occupy a position of power- they give you a ticket for speeding- they don’t need any evidence beyond claiming you were speeding. They arrest you for assault- it’s their word against yours and theirs carries more weight. Cops need to be beyond reproach. Unfortunately- a LOT of them are not.

The problem is that cops get away with a lot of stuff and we let them slide. Running red lights by putting on their lights and siren then immediately turning them off on the other side. They going to a call? of course not- they just don’t feel like waiting. Those sorts of little things compound until a lot of officers feel like they have the right to do anything they want.

Anthony- This is America. Carlos has every right to speak his mind. Telling him to leave because you disagree with him shows just how un-American YOU are.

“but you sir seem to make it your life long goal to find every bad cop out there.”
Which begs the question- Why aren’t you trying to find every bad cop and get rid of them? They’re BAD cops. Every good cop I’ve ever met is disgusted by the bad cops. Why aren’t you? If you had a bad employee you would fire them wouldn’t you? Are cops given a free pass just because they are cops? That’s laughable.

Anthony,

So you worked at LunarPages when I was having all those issues and now you’re revealing your bias against my website to me?

All I have to say is wow.

This is what Anthony just wrote on his site about me:

I write today about a person I had the “joy” of working with when I worked at Lunarpages, Carlos Miller a man that has made it his life goal to find bad cops or good cops and make people think of then badly. The entire call was how “the man” is holding him back, and how he was wronged for photographing a police officer.
I will say this a million times, there is nothing wrong with photographing an officer, especially if this officer is doing something wrong. I bleed to protect our rights, and our laws. However Carlos get a freaking life.

Click here to read the rest of his post.

And here is an example of all the issues I was having with Lunar Pages.

http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/03/my-latest-and-final-dilemma-with-luna...

http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/03/in-search-of-a-web-host-company-that-...

Now the truth comes out as to why I was having all those issues.

Wow these pigs are just wonderful people. We should cut their balls off. Pieces of shit

Ladybrinx – You are truly clueless, go back and read the story before you make a bigger fool out of yourself.

Ladybrinx is beyond clueless. The dying woman wasn’t even in the car, she had been in the hospital for days. The NFL driver broke the speed limit, ran red lights and refused to pull over when the cop popped the lights and siren on him. A relative dying in the hospital is not an excuse to drive like a maniac. The NFL idiot was treated with kid gloves. He’s the villain here.

I’m glad the police cited him. He was lucky he wasn’t arrested. He put other people’s lives in jeopardy with his lunatic driving. If his mother in law was so important he shouldn’t have left her in the hospital to go home for dinner.

Ladybrinx is a perfect example of the typically ignorant cop hater. They let their hatred get in the way of facts.

The poor cop that cited that NFL moron is now being thrown under the bus to pacify the slobbering cop haters.

One word: Panopticon

Watch everyone — let them know they’re being watched — so nobody acts ‘bad.’ (While pretending moral/ethical values are innate, constant, and universal, not relative.)

It’s official.

Stupid people can have blogs too.

This article goes to show that we need to help free Luke Rudkowski!!! He just got arrested in NYC last night for having a valid press badge and walking into a hotel lobby where mayor bloomberg was. Visit http://www.infowars.com for more information.

Chuck,

First off- Do you even know the story? He did not drive like a maniac- he approached the light, stopped and waited til traffic cleared then proceded through. He was also perfectly willing to accept the ticket- but he wanted to say goodbye to his mother in law before she died.

“If his mother in law was so important he shouldn’t have left her in the hospital to go home for dinner.” Another laughable comment. You said yourself she was in the hospital for 10 days. What was he supposed to do? Go 10 days without eating or showering? Live in the hospital? Ask any doctor- they never no when someone with cancer might die. They can say 24 hours and the person can live for another month.

So I’m undecided- Are you heartless? Or just a pro-government at all cost moron? I hope one of your parents is in the hospital, dying, and you get pulled over and have to wait for a ticket while (s)he passes. Maybe then you’ll understand- though probably not.

The fact is it’s not about cop hating. I have lots of friends that are cops. It’s about stopping the powertripping moron cops that give the rest of them a bad name. Something all the good cops I know are in favor of.

The camera is a totally dispassionate observer.

That’s why I carry my little Flip camera with me everywhere.

I can back up anybody, from the officers of the law to the person being falsely accused.

Mike, I was thinking the EXACT same thing, although we all know foucalt was a little crazy. Anyone know how well these cameras worked in the UK?

Carlos, Key word there was “worked” I 100% agree with you Lunarpages is a pile of crap, and I look forward to the day they are shut down for good.

Mark Richards – once again I 100% agree that there are bad people out there, and no matter what there job is they should be brought to justice. However it seems that Mr. Miller here is making it his goal to find anything about anybody and turning it into a “bad cop” and a “bad judge” issue.
The problem with 99% of you 1st amendment crying liberals is that none of you know what it means to stand up for your country, to stand up and defend that right, but to only bitch when you can’t/won’t/or in a split second loose those rights, or you think you lost those rights.

Let me guess, Anthony, you were fired from Lunar Pages.

Carlos,
Nope sadly I was one the best phone admins they had, would be happy to post the love I got even from the CEO of the company. During your problems I was the one that got the asshats in gear on got your account back up and running.

I left because I did not agree with the company and how they treated customers, and how they would screw over the little guy and force then to upgrade from $4.95/month to $39.95/month because of a few hits from digg, and then blame it on “resource usage” or “outdated software.”

Thanks,
Anthony

So we both left Lunar Pages for the same reason.

Yes. Police Fear Cameras. That’s why they put them in patrol cars.

Police

@Mark – I completely agree. The amount of hypocrisy is astounding.

Black on black is a greater threat than blue on black violence will ever be

So we both left Lunar Pages for the same reason..

This is illegal.

They are breaking the law.

“Governing requires the consent of the Governed”

They just renamed the Freedom tower World Trade Tower – as Freedom is now being profiled as potential homeland security threat word.

So is knowing the constitution

So is claiming rights

HS trainers define “constitutionalists, people who use the words “democracy, rights, bill of rights or claim their “due process” or “probable cause” protections are to considered likely members of dangerous militia groups of citizens

The same training video included the trainer calling Washington, Jefferson and the “whole group of these people” assassins – and enemies of law and order

And he said, that isn’t how it works anymore, in America

Oh yeah? Try me. I’m Gandhi X and I’ll nonviolently put myself IN YOUR WAY cop. TRY to stop liberty now, and freedom and jobs for MY KIDS

“Yes. Police Fear Cameras. That’s why they put them in patrol cars.”

Made me smile!

The is a big problem here in the UK as well http://policewatch.visionon.tv for films about this.

The simple act of compulsion creates reaction. A cop is a threat to personal freedom and thought. A cop is a symbol. You all can agree that their presence incites fear, even if minute. This stimulus is a form of control and the reaction to control is rebellion. Rebellion on many levels is often a crime. The compensation for crime is corruption (making unlawful deals with authorities for freedom from penalty).

When you make a personal choice based on your own reason for your own personal benefit (victimless), it empowers you with the experience to reason its validity. To cut that freedom off short and criminalize it, is the worst form of control. To give up that personal experience and freedom will do nothing more than turn you into a sacrificial lamb. A slave, if you will. -A man without reason is an animal.

Cops live in immense fear and it is obvious when you see their reactions to behavior they don’t understand. Everyday they think about how to defend themselves, their gun, power in presence, psychology of the criminal mind, etc. This constant thought pattern can create psychosis.

Upholding law is not is not a cops duty, if it were, they would have a degree in law and would be elected.

Think of a cop as a loan shark. He will bust knees to get your money for the boss and that, right there, is their role. To top it all off, WE pay them. Maybe soon, everyone will see usurpers and tyrants for who they are, so keep the cameras rolling!

I want some of whatever John is smoking

“Every cop is a corrupted scumbag” seems to be the battle cry of the far left. Do you realize how many police officers actually intentionally abuse their power?

@ Chuck

I’m sure it wasn’t the police officers choice to put the police cameras on their police cars. Thats why they are getting caught doing wrong.

Great cases of police officers on candid camera. If you want a really hot Canadian case on this, try googling “robert dzieanski” together with any canadian news site like CBC.ca or globeandmail. There is now a public inquiry ’cause the RCMP clearly lied about killing a poor immigrant….and were exposed because a citizen shot the scene,

People I don’t even know are always harassing me and trying to take my picture and I’m not even a cop.

This is all very true. Recently here in Puerto Rico there was a case in which a police officer (Javier Pagán Cruz) shot and killed an innocent civilian for no apparent reason in public. What made the difference in the case was the fact that there was video footage of the incident. If this hadn’t been taped, who knows how the police may have covered up for their official. Officer Pagán was since sentenced to 99 years in prison.

Folks,

First of all – the police are not and never have been the problem – this does not include pseudo-military swat teams, but officers who provide community policing and the structure that makes that possible.

That is legal – and constitutional.

Virtually all of the law we are currently burdened with – the sale and borrowing against assets and trademark/patent/corporations that have been absorbed into multinats or sold overseas…

patently illegal.

The Bill of Rights is absolute, nonnegotiable and THE law.

It is you see, the law for making legal laws.

April 15th, I am staying home and not engaging in trade of any kind.

For liberty.

I have no politics – my only goal is liberty in our lifetimes, and opportunity, peace and hope for our children.

This idiotic and patently illegal corporate super-state of elite members of professional political parties and families are nothing compared with these sacred words from the Dec of Independence:

“Government requires the consent of the governed.”

Nope – they don’t have mine. Not anymore.

John Hubertz
Patriot

This is all very true. Recently here in Puerto Rico there was a case in which a police officer (Javier Pagán Cruz) shotChoose a Practical and Decorative Bath Mat

and killed an innocent civilian for no apparent reason in public. What made the difference in the case was the fact that there was video footage of the incident. If this hadn’t been taped, who knows how the police may have covered up for their official. Officer Pagán was since sentenced to 99 years in prison.

Great cases of police officers on candid camera. If you want a really hot Canadian case on this, try googling “robert dzieanski” welcome to bedding encyclopedia bedding history

together with any canadian news site like CBC.ca or globeandmail. There is now a public inquiry ’cause the RCMP clearly lied about killing a poor immigrant….and were exposed because a citizen shot the scene,

it’s good